RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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@akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@gt12 I wrote us off at half time too but it was far from over as it played out. Poor goalkicking and a lack of rugby smarts cost us the win in the 2nd half. A very winnable game even with only 14 men.
I thought we dropped a huge amount of ball as well, and we don't seem to be talking about it. It was one of the keys to losing - drop ball, missed kicks, TMO/discipline (choose your poison) and arguably lack of rugby nous.
When Mbonambi went off, I thought we should be kicking for lineouts and putting pressure. If that starts disintegrating, you create space in the middle of the field.
@nzzp yep, especially in that final quarter we blew several chances with pushed passes and then when they were taking pop shots for a DG, we kept kicking it back to them, instead of to touch to harass their lineout.
We made alot of poor decisions, that game was there for the taking despite the cards, but we failed to take the chances, I reckon if we had picked up some more points, the game may well have opened up with SA chancing thier arm too cos they also blew a couple of chances with ball in hand.
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@Nepia said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Gunner said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
he penalty which Barnes then said sorry, that wasn’t actually a penalty. That 3 points made a difference. The TMO gets involved and changes calls all the time, so why can’t a ref change his call in this instance, when he’s clearly fucked up.
Yeah this is the only reffing thing that really annoys me
Yeah agree, that's the winning of the game and it was a mistake (no malice he just fucked up like all humans do on occasion) - why can't Barnes just say "I fucked up, lets have a Bok scrum here as a restart"?
Why not actually change to the correct decision?
@booboo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Nepia said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Gunner said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
he penalty which Barnes then said sorry, that wasn’t actually a penalty. That 3 points made a difference. The TMO gets involved and changes calls all the time, so why can’t a ref change his call in this instance, when he’s clearly fucked up.
Yeah this is the only reffing thing that really annoys me
Yeah agree, that's the winning of the game and it was a mistake (no malice he just fucked up like all humans do on occasion) - why can't Barnes just say "I fucked up, lets have a Bok scrum here as a restart"?
Why not actually change to the correct decision?
given they can call back a knock on after the fact...why didnt the TMO intervene and say 'Wayne you got that wrong, overturn penalty, NZ Scrum" it is a very shitty line WR have allowed the TMO to go down, both instances go to what BArnes saw in real time, and he made a call, unless its foul play, he made a call, live with it.
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Cane said he was surprised the Bok moved/swerved back into him. I'd agree but still a clumsy tackle.
@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Cane said he was surprised the Bok moved/swerved back into him. I'd agree but still a clumsy tackle.
A sudden dip and late change of direction?
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I don't blame Barnes but the TMO. Very one-sided
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Stay classy NZ.
Fuck this shit makes me ashamed and angry
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/10/30/wayne-barnes-wife-decries-vile-atmosphere-death-threats/
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All 3 locks were very good, and all the props. Taylor cocked up several throws however. It was a mighty physical effort from a pack down a man, but sadly in the brains department we are still lacking: why on earth did we stop competing on their throw? They had a part-time hooker playing way more minutes than he is used to, and we picked quite a few off in a row and then... just stopped competing? Incredibly poor decision, just bizarre.
Aaron Smith was very good, the decision to sub was poor - but standard Foster fare.
McKenzie should have been on earlier, but he should have had more of a go in earlier games too, so again business as usual for Foster.
Mo'unga was okay, and B Barrett okay-ish. Again our lack of brains hurt us - their lineout was shit, and we still wouldn't kick for touch and compete in a close game.
Jordie made a few errors but also did a lot of very good cover work.On the other side: Pieter Steph - that was one hell of a game. Best I've seen him play, and reminiscent of Dusattoir's amazing effort in the final we won. If SA had lost he would still have been MOTM. I strongly dislike the way SA play the game, and think it is a terrible waste of some special outside back talent - but hey, they got the result.
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@taniwharugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@akan004 given he did, have to assume he can.
But it highlights a bigger issue that he only rules on a knock on if it results in a try...ignoring other errors.
Ardie being falsely penalised early in the game that resulted in 3 points an example , it was there on the screen , and Barnes apologised to ardie for getting it wrong .
3 points still stands .@kiwiinmelb said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@taniwharugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@akan004 given he did, have to assume he can.
But it highlights a bigger issue that he only rules on a knock on if it results in a try...ignoring other errors.
Ardie being falsely penalised early in the game that resulted in 3 points an example , it was there on the screen , and Barnes apologised to ardie for getting it wrong .
3 points still stands .I'm not sure that's what he did say - or at least mean.
I think Ardie referred him to the replay on the screen and he meant, "I didn't see the replay on the screen".
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@OomPB said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan well Rassie has been much better this WC. I understand Barnes received death threads again from All Blacks supporters.
Please post a link to that
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Cane having no mitigation reminded me of Ta'avao having no mitigation vs Porter's "absorbing" tackle - which broke Retallick's cheek-bone and decided the Irish series. A change in direction of the player with the ball which catches the tackler off guard without time to adjust down for some reason isn't seen as mitigation. Whereas Kolisi, lining up Ardie from in front and deciding to go high does have mitigation?
The way these are ruled is just totally beyond me.
Etzebeth's yellow for front on head on head in the England game. If Cane is red that is red surely? These decisions go two different ways, and decide two knockout games, and as far as I can tell they are just total fucking bullshit.
This post isn't about the result of the final, which we didn't deserve to win. It probably fits better in the 'state of the game' thread - but I hope supporters of all countries can agree we are sick to fucking death of shit card rulings ruining games and something needs to be done.@reprobate said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Cane having no mitigation reminded me of Ta'avao having no mitigation vs Porter's "absorbing" tackle - which broke Retallick's cheek-bone and decided the Irish series. A change in direction of the player with the ball which catches the tackler off guard without time to adjust down for some reason isn't seen as mitigation. Whereas Kolisi, lining up Ardie from in front and deciding to go high does have mitigation?
The way these are ruled is just totally beyond me.
Etzebeth's yellow for front on head on head in the England game. If Cane is red that is red surely? These decisions go two different ways, and decide two knockout games, and as far as I can tell they are just total fucking bullshit.
This post isn't about the result of the final, which we didn't deserve to win. It probably fits better in the 'state of the game' thread - but I hope supporters of all countries can agree we are sick to fucking death of shit card rulings ruining games and something needs to be done.This is my take. I don't think anyone is blaming the officials for us losing. But the level of outright ineptitude with respect to consistency in decisions when you have the fucking TV to replay. I've said before, I'd be happy if African Jesus wasn't penalised but if that's the case, Sam Cane was a penalty either. And as for the TMO interjecting because SF fell over, well fuck. 30 blokes fall over all the time in rugby. I expect the next test to be played to have 0 on 0 by minute 15.
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@sparky said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
An impressive effort from the Bok defenders to say the least.
https://twitter.com/jaredwright17/status/1718631367590715663
Jordie will be having nightmares about big, tall blond South Africans.
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@sparky said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
An impressive effort from the Bok defenders to say the least.
https://twitter.com/jaredwright17/status/1718631367590715663
Jordie will be having nightmares about big, tall blond South Africans.
If that was SF making that tackle, he's gone for 6 weeks.
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@booboo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Nepia said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Gunner said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
he penalty which Barnes then said sorry, that wasn’t actually a penalty. That 3 points made a difference. The TMO gets involved and changes calls all the time, so why can’t a ref change his call in this instance, when he’s clearly fucked up.
Yeah this is the only reffing thing that really annoys me
Yeah agree, that's the winning of the game and it was a mistake (no malice he just fucked up like all humans do on occasion) - why can't Barnes just say "I fucked up, lets have a Bok scrum here as a restart"?
Why not actually change to the correct decision?
given they can call back a knock on after the fact...why didnt the TMO intervene and say 'Wayne you got that wrong, overturn penalty, NZ Scrum" it is a very shitty line WR have allowed the TMO to go down, both instances go to what BArnes saw in real time, and he made a call, unless its foul play, he made a call, live with it.
@taniwharugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@booboo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Nepia said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Gunner said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
he penalty which Barnes then said sorry, that wasn’t actually a penalty. That 3 points made a difference. The TMO gets involved and changes calls all the time, so why can’t a ref change his call in this instance, when he’s clearly fucked up.
Yeah this is the only reffing thing that really annoys me
Yeah agree, that's the winning of the game and it was a mistake (no malice he just fucked up like all humans do on occasion) - why can't Barnes just say "I fucked up, lets have a Bok scrum here as a restart"?
Why not actually change to the correct decision?
given they can call back a knock on after the fact...why didnt the TMO intervene and say 'Wayne you got that wrong, overturn penalty, NZ Scrum" it is a very shitty line WR have allowed the TMO to go down, both instances go to what BArnes saw in real time, and he made a call, unless its foul play, he made a call, live with it.
Fucking great point. Barnes shot himself in the foot by admitting fault.
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Now World Rugby reviewing whether or not Kolisi yellow updated to red. If so, match replayed.
@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Now World Rugby reviewing whether or not Kolisi yellow updated to red. If so, match replayed.
They'll reverse the penalty back to SA because Ardie fell over on to some grass.
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@OomPB said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan https://www.ruck.co.uk/wayne-barnes-receives-death-threats-following-rugby-world-cup-final/
There's always a minority of idiots. I bet they aren't even rugby fans. Probably the kind of fans that spit at horses....
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Surely this was very illegal by Kolbe and right in front of Wayne Barnes.
Outcome: no penalty.
https://twitter.com/jaredwright17/status/1718615817166659593
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