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  • BonesB Bones

    @canefan said in All Blacks 2024:

    Razor will leave no stone unturned before picking his first side next season

    Yeah all those coaches that left unturned stones in their quest to put points on the board in a game of two halves.

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    @Bones said in All Blacks 2024:

    @canefan said in All Blacks 2024:

    Razor will leave no stone unturned before picking his first side next season

    Yeah all those coaches that left unturned stones in their quest to put points on the board in a game of two halves.

    Reading that made me as sick as a parrot.

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    • BonesB Bones

      @cgrant Lord should already be the incumbent, he's got enough size.

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      @Bones said in All Blacks 2024:

      @cgrant Lord should already be the incumbent, he's got enough size.

      Just needs to get in touch with Ethan Blackadder's trainer.

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      • sparkyS sparky

        First Five - NZ Rugby looks thin here.

        DMac is the obvious pick to start. Both Beauden Barrett and Richie Mo’unga are off to Japan for a bit and could be back by 2027 to be RWC squad members, but younger options are needed.

        I’d like to see more of David Havili at First Five to see if he is a Test option. Stephen Perofeta looked great at Ten for the All Blacks XV, but needs more time playing there at Super Level.

        Beyond that, the cupboard looks rather bare.

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        @sparky said in All Blacks 2024:

        First Five - NZ Rugby looks thin here.

        DMac is the obvious pick to start. Both Beauden Barrett and Richie Mo’unga are off to Japan for a bit and could be back by 2027 to be RWC squad members, but younger options are needed.

        I’d like to see more of David Havili at First Five to see if he is a Test option. Stephen Perofeta looked great at Ten for the All Blacks XV, but needs more time playing there at Super Level.

        Beyond that, the cupboard looks rather bare.

        I’m confused as to how things are thin here but midfield is apparently an area of strength ?

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        • sparkyS sparky

          Back Row -

          Sam Cane and Shannon Frizell are off to Japan for a bit. Neither has clearly called time on their ABs career. They might have a role to play at international level again, but I don’t think either will be in the All Blacks team in 2027.

          Beyond that, there is lots and lots to pick from: Ardie Savea, Dalton Papalii, Samipeni Finau, Ethan Blackadder, Cullen Grace, Billy Harmon, Kaylum Bolshier, Peter Lakai, Devan Flanders, MM-T, Dominic Gardiner, Christian Lio-Willie, Anton Segner and maybe Akira Ioane and Hoskins Sotutu if they get going again.

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          @sparky said in All Blacks 2024:

          Back Row -

          Sam Cane and Shannon Frizell are off to Japan for a bit. Neither has clearly called time on their ABs career. They might have a role to play at international level again, but I don’t think either will be in the All Blacks team in 2027.

          Beyond that, there is lots and lots to pick from: Ardie Savea, Dalton Papalii, Samipeni Finau, Ethan Blackadder, Cullen Grace, Billy Harmon, Kaylum Bolshier, Peter Lakai, Devan Flanders, MM-T, Dominic Gardiner, Christian Lio-Willie, Anton Segner and maybe Akira Ioane and Hoskins Sotutu if they get going again.

          Cane is available for all ABs tests next year, and I can't see Razor dropping him from the squad

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            @sparky said in All Blacks 2024:

            Back Row -

            Sam Cane and Shannon Frizell are off to Japan for a bit. Neither has clearly called time on their ABs career. They might have a role to play at international level again, but I don’t think either will be in the All Blacks team in 2027.

            Beyond that, there is lots and lots to pick from: Ardie Savea, Dalton Papalii, Samipeni Finau, Ethan Blackadder, Cullen Grace, Billy Harmon, Kaylum Bolshier, Peter Lakai, Devan Flanders, MM-T, Dominic Gardiner, Christian Lio-Willie, Anton Segner and maybe Akira Ioane and Hoskins Sotutu if they get going again.

            Cane is available for all ABs tests next year, and I can't see Razor dropping him from the squad

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            @Machpants I doubt he will make it to 2027. He’ll be eased out sooner or later. I don’t think he’ll be dumped like Gary Whetton but he won’t be central to Razor’s plans either.

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            • MN5M MN5

              @sparky said in All Blacks 2024:

              First Five - NZ Rugby looks thin here.

              DMac is the obvious pick to start. Both Beauden Barrett and Richie Mo’unga are off to Japan for a bit and could be back by 2027 to be RWC squad members, but younger options are needed.

              I’d like to see more of David Havili at First Five to see if he is a Test option. Stephen Perofeta looked great at Ten for the All Blacks XV, but needs more time playing there at Super Level.

              Beyond that, the cupboard looks rather bare.

              I’m confused as to how things are thin here but midfield is apparently an area of strength ?

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              @MN5 Midfield we have a clear top two in Jordie Barrett and Reiko Ioane and three decent backups in ALB, Billy Proctor and Dallas McLeod. I’m not worried about our midfield options. Riley Higgins is an exciting prospect as well.

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              • sparkyS sparky

                @MN5 Midfield we have a clear top two in Jordie Barrett and Reiko Ioane and three decent backups in ALB, Billy Proctor and Dallas McLeod. I’m not worried about our midfield options. Riley Higgins is an exciting prospect as well.

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                @sparky said in All Blacks 2024:

                @MN5 Midfield we have a clear top two in Jordie Barrett and Reiko Ioane and three decent backups in ALB, Billy Proctor and Dallas McLeod. I’m not worried about our midfield options. Riley Higgins is an exciting prospect as well.

                Well at least you got rid of Havilli from your list……but then again he’s in your first five list.

                God help us

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                  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby-world-cup-2023/133207086/the-all-blacks-need-a-new-no-10-to-emerge-in-coming-years-here-are-the-contenders

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                    #366

                    2024 could be a good year.
                    Hopefully next level game plan and clarity.
                    There will be emphasis on the TMO rulings guidance allowing better flow.
                    Hoping we go for a traditional quick 7
                    Solid base with de Groot, Lomax, Newell and Williams. Very fortunate.

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                    • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                      @Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:

                      Rough on Bunce, Stanley and 1920s superstar Bert Cooke.

                      Bert Cooke was shit compared to Karl Ifwersen......

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                      @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:

                      @Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:

                      Rough on Bunce, Stanley and 1920s superstar Bert Cooke.

                      Bert Cooke was shit compared to Karl Ifwersen......

                      Jesus, how drunk are you?

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                      • NepiaN Nepia

                        @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:

                        @Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:

                        Rough on Bunce, Stanley and 1920s superstar Bert Cooke.

                        Bert Cooke was shit compared to Karl Ifwersen......

                        Jesus, how drunk are you?

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                        @Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:

                        @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:

                        @Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:

                        Rough on Bunce, Stanley and 1920s superstar Bert Cooke.

                        Bert Cooke was shit compared to Karl Ifwersen......

                        Jesus, how drunk old are you?

                        FIFY

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                        • A akan004

                          I feel Razor is going to try and convince NZR to bring in the equivalent of the Giteau law. He did hint at it when he was appointed. If this happens we will see the likes of BBBR and Mounga play in black again. I'm ok with it personally if we limit it to two players.

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                          @akan004 said in All Blacks 2024:

                          I feel Razor is going to try and convince NZR to bring in the equivalent of the Giteau law.

                          And Robinson and NZR have said no. If they backtrack, I hope that the high profile ABs who are staying in NZ ask for an immediate release from their NZR contract so they can sign a more lucrative off-shore contract and still be eligible for the ABs.

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                          • BovidaeB Bovidae

                            @akan004 said in All Blacks 2024:

                            I feel Razor is going to try and convince NZR to bring in the equivalent of the Giteau law.

                            And Robinson and NZR have said no. If they backtrack, I hope that the high profile ABs who are staying in NZ ask for an immediate release from their NZR contract so they can sign a more lucrative off-shore contract and still be eligible for the ABs.

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                            @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:

                            @akan004 said in All Blacks 2024:

                            I feel Razor is going to try and convince NZR to bring in the equivalent of the Giteau law.

                            And Robinson and NZR have said no. If they backtrack, I hope that the high profile ABs who are staying in NZ ask for an immediate release from their NZR contract so they can sign a more lucrative off-shore contract and still be eligible for the ABs.

                            I agree, it has to be a hard no on a form of Gitaeu rule for NZ

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                            • canefanC canefan

                              @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:

                              @akan004 said in All Blacks 2024:

                              I feel Razor is going to try and convince NZR to bring in the equivalent of the Giteau law.

                              And Robinson and NZR have said no. If they backtrack, I hope that the high profile ABs who are staying in NZ ask for an immediate release from their NZR contract so they can sign a more lucrative off-shore contract and still be eligible for the ABs.

                              I agree, it has to be a hard no on a form of Gitaeu rule for NZ

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                              @canefan said in All Blacks 2024:

                              @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:

                              @akan004 said in All Blacks 2024:

                              I feel Razor is going to try and convince NZR to bring in the equivalent of the Giteau law.

                              And Robinson and NZR have said no. If they backtrack, I hope that the high profile ABs who are staying in NZ ask for an immediate release from their NZR contract so they can sign a more lucrative off-shore contract and still be eligible for the ABs.

                              I agree, it has to be a hard no on a form of Gitaeu rule for NZ

                              Yep definitely a hard no.

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                              • BovidaeB Bovidae

                                @akan004 said in All Blacks 2024:

                                I feel Razor is going to try and convince NZR to bring in the equivalent of the Giteau law.

                                And Robinson and NZR have said no. If they backtrack, I hope that the high profile ABs who are staying in NZ ask for an immediate release from their NZR contract so they can sign a more lucrative off-shore contract and still be eligible for the ABs.

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                                @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:

                                And Robinson and NZR have said no.

                                Yeah Robertson talked about how he was going to lobby for a change, then Robinson shut down that talk in a subsequent press release

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                                  It was clearly to make Richie Mounga eligible because of needing a good 10. Hopefully there is a big focus this year at Super level at developing a replacement or two.

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                                  • BonesB Bones

                                    @booboo said in All Blacks 2024:

                                    Yep, both the Cantabs.

                                    And keeping an eye out through Super Rugby.

                                    If we discover a proper 6/lock, something interesting to see might be Kirifi on the bench.

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                                    @Bones said in All Blacks 2024:

                                    @booboo said in All Blacks 2024:

                                    Yep, both the Cantabs.

                                    And keeping an eye out through Super Rugby.

                                    If we discover a proper 6/lock, something interesting to see might be Kirifi on the bench.

                                    define interesting

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                                    • S SBW1

                                      It was clearly to make Richie Mounga eligible because of needing a good 10. Hopefully there is a big focus this year at Super level at developing a replacement or two.

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                                      @SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024:

                                      It was clearly to make Richie Mounga eligible because of needing a good 10. Hopefully there is a big focus this year at Super level at developing a replacement or two.

                                      Maybe Razor should have focused his interest on convincing Mo to stay.

                                      A change in policy based on one player is the worst type of policy.

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                                        I 100% think we should change the policy to keep a player who kicked us to victory at the WC.

                                        Hold on.

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                                        • boobooB booboo

                                          @Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:

                                          @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:

                                          @Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:

                                          Rough on Bunce, Stanley and 1920s superstar Bert Cooke.

                                          Bert Cooke was shit compared to Karl Ifwersen......

                                          Jesus, how drunk old are you?

                                          FIFY

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                                          @booboo said in All Blacks 2024:

                                          @Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:

                                          @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:

                                          @Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:

                                          Rough on Bunce, Stanley and 1920s superstar Bert Cooke.

                                          Bert Cooke was shit compared to Karl Ifwersen......

                                          Jesus, how drunk old are you?

                                          FIFY

                                          Anyone who can remember Bert Cooke must be older than my dad...

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