Foster's Firsts.
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Disagree with the last part. The RWC showed what these guys are actually capable of.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster's Firsts.:
Disagree with the last part. The RWC showed what these guys are actually capable of.
Counterpoint: who in that squad didn't play better than they had in the 4 year cycle? I was super concerned about our tight 5 in particular, but they played really well and were mobile enough to contribute. If they were 'the cattle' where was that in the previous year or two?
I also think SA has better players than we do, for the game plan they want to do. Seriously, go through the forwards in particular (including the bench 7) and see how many wouldn't replace the NZ equivalent.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster's Firsts.:
Disagree with the last part. The RWC showed what these guys are actually capable of.
Counterpoint: who in that squad didn't play better than they had in the 4 year cycle? I was super concerned about our tight 5 in particular, but they played really well and were mobile enough to contribute. If they were 'the cattle' where was that in the previous year or two?
I also think SA has better players than we do, for the game plan they want to do. Seriously, go through the forwards in particular (including the bench 7) and see how many wouldn't replace the NZ equivalent.
@nzzp said in Foster's Firsts.:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster's Firsts.:
Disagree with the last part. The RWC showed what these guys are actually capable of.
Counterpoint: who in that squad didn't play better than they had in the 4 year cycle? I was super concerned about our tight 5 in particular, but they played really well and were mobile enough to contribute. If they were 'the cattle' where was that in the previous year or two?
I also think SA has better players than we do, for the game plan they want to do. Seriously, go through the forwards in particular (including the bench 7) and see how many wouldn't replace the NZ equivalent.
The entire argument is that these players weren't playing to their potential because of the poor coaching, tactics and prep. I don't think it's a coincidence that they played much better when they have a game plan and tactics that actually jive with modern day rugby. Judging by the performance in the final with a pack that was a man down for most of the game I think you're very much selling the NZ forwards short.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster's Firsts.:
@booboo said in Foster's Firsts.:
@junior said in Foster's Firsts.:
@taniwharugby said in Foster's Firsts.:
@Chris-B I think the final was probably a summary of the team under him in the past 4 years.
Poor discipline, lack of composure, poor decision making mixed with some excellent rugby, doing enough to win the game, but not quite finishing what was started.
I think this is what is and has been so frustrating - this tournament showed that actually we did have the cattle (despite being told for years that we didn’t). I do think with better coaching over the previous 4 years the team would have won that match.
Did we have the cattle? Or did the coach get a performance out of them greater than the sum of the parts?
How could anyone look at the Ireland game and what they achieved with a man down in the final and claim we didn't have the cattle?. I'm over this nonsense that Foster was simply working with the poor hand he'd been delt and turned water into wine. IMHO a better coach would have not only have won the Cup but also had better results in the interim.
You're a tough marker! I'm about to defend Foster, and that sucks - i didn't rate him, and wanted him gone years ago.
That said, Foster got the team up for the knockouts and playing the best, most cohesive footy of the last 4 years. That's a coaching win. Even with a red card, for SA to win we had to miss two kickable shots, and drop a shedload of ball, and have a try overturned outside the protocols. For the world cup, you'd have to say that Foster did his job.
For me, thought, Foster should have bene gone after 2 seasons. The signs were all there at the EOY tour in 2021 - but he'd been reappointed before then. It's tough, but htat's pro sport. We should have had Robertson in there early 2022, and who knows what hte squad looks like.
As for the 'cattle' discussion, I think if you look at the French or the SA, head to head the other side probably had better players. We did not have a settled loose trio, our tight 5 were way behind the game (don't let the RWC knockout disguise that) and overall we looked a far worse outfit than others. In some ways, that makes the efforts in hte last few weeks even more impressive - but does not make up for the utter shit we've seen from the ABs over the last few years.
@nzzp said in Foster's Firsts.:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster's Firsts.:
@booboo said in Foster's Firsts.:
@junior said in Foster's Firsts.:
@taniwharugby said in Foster's Firsts.:
@Chris-B I think the final was probably a summary of the team under him in the past 4 years.
Poor discipline, lack of composure, poor decision making mixed with some excellent rugby, doing enough to win the game, but not quite finishing what was started.
I think this is what is and has been so frustrating - this tournament showed that actually we did have the cattle (despite being told for years that we didn’t). I do think with better coaching over the previous 4 years the team would have won that match.
Did we have the cattle? Or did the coach get a performance out of them greater than the sum of the parts?
How could anyone look at the Ireland game and what they achieved with a man down in the final and claim we didn't have the cattle?. I'm over this nonsense that Foster was simply working with the poor hand he'd been delt and turned water into wine. IMHO a better coach would have not only have won the Cup but also had better results in the interim.
You're a tough marker! I'm about to defend Foster, and that sucks - i didn't rate him, and wanted him gone years ago.
That said, Foster got the team up for the knockouts and playing the best, most cohesive footy of the last 4 years. That's a coaching win. Even with a red card, for SA to win we had to miss two kickable shots, and drop a shedload of ball, and have a try overturned outside the protocols. For the world cup, you'd have to say that Foster did his job.
For me, thought, Foster should have bene gone after 2 seasons. The signs were all there at the EOY tour in 2021 - but he'd been reappointed before then. It's tough, but htat's pro sport. We should have had Robertson in there early 2022, and who knows what hte squad looks like.
As for the 'cattle' discussion, I think if you look at the French or the SA, head to head the other side probably had better players. We did not have a settled loose trio, our tight 5 were way behind the game (don't let the RWC knockout disguise that) and overall we looked a far worse outfit than others. In some ways, that makes the efforts in hte last few weeks even more impressive - but does not make up for the utter shit we've seen from the ABs over the last few years.
I agree with you - I think we are talking about 2 Fosters.
The Ryan Schmidt era Foster, and that guy who started with 2 other assistant coaches who weren't quite up to it. -
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster's Firsts.:
Disagree with the last part. The RWC showed what these guys are actually capable of.
Counterpoint: who in that squad didn't play better than they had in the 4 year cycle? I was super concerned about our tight 5 in particular, but they played really well and were mobile enough to contribute. If they were 'the cattle' where was that in the previous year or two?
I also think SA has better players than we do, for the game plan they want to do. Seriously, go through the forwards in particular (including the bench 7) and see how many wouldn't replace the NZ equivalent.
@nzzp said in Foster's Firsts.:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster's Firsts.:
Disagree with the last part. The RWC showed what these guys are actually capable of.
Counterpoint: who in that squad didn't play better than they had in the 4 year cycle?
Shannon and Sam C have played better.
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@Kirwan 14 weeks into marathon training I’m not fat for first time in 3 years so I will critique as I see fit ….
@MajorRage said in Foster's Firsts.:
@Kirwan 14 weeks into marathon training I’m not fat for first time in 3 years so I will critique as I see fit ….
You saw fit. He saw fat.
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@nzzp said in Foster's Firsts.:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster's Firsts.:
Disagree with the last part. The RWC showed what these guys are actually capable of.
Counterpoint: who in that squad didn't play better than they had in the 4 year cycle?
Shannon and Sam C have played better.
@nostrildamus said in Foster's Firsts.:
@nzzp said in Foster's Firsts.:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster's Firsts.:
Disagree with the last part. The RWC showed what these guys are actually capable of.
Counterpoint: who in that squad didn't play better than they had in the 4 year cycle?
Shannon and Sam C have played better.
Which Sam Cane performance was better than his Ireland game?
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@nostrildamus said in Foster's Firsts.:
@nzzp said in Foster's Firsts.:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster's Firsts.:
Disagree with the last part. The RWC showed what these guys are actually capable of.
Counterpoint: who in that squad didn't play better than they had in the 4 year cycle?
Shannon and Sam C have played better.
Which Sam Cane performance was better than his Ireland game?
@nzzp said in Foster's Firsts.:
@nostrildamus said in Foster's Firsts.:
@nzzp said in Foster's Firsts.:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster's Firsts.:
Disagree with the last part. The RWC showed what these guys are actually capable of.
Counterpoint: who in that squad didn't play better than they had in the 4 year cycle?
Shannon and Sam C have played better.
Which Sam Cane performance was better than his Ireland game?
Sam Cane not playing in 2019 reached almost Ethan Blackadder levels of legend on here if I recall.
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@nzzp said in Foster's Firsts.:
@nostrildamus said in Foster's Firsts.:
@nzzp said in Foster's Firsts.:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster's Firsts.:
Disagree with the last part. The RWC showed what these guys are actually capable of.
Counterpoint: who in that squad didn't play better than they had in the 4 year cycle?
Shannon and Sam C have played better.
Which Sam Cane performance was better than his Ireland game?
Sam Cane not playing in 2019 reached almost Ethan Blackadder levels of legend on here if I recall.
@MN5 said in Foster's Firsts.:
@nzzp said in Foster's Firsts.:
@nostrildamus said in Foster's Firsts.:
@nzzp said in Foster's Firsts.:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster's Firsts.:
Disagree with the last part. The RWC showed what these guys are actually capable of.
Counterpoint: who in that squad didn't play better than they had in the 4 year cycle?
Shannon and Sam C have played better.
Which Sam Cane performance was better than his Ireland game?
Sam Cane not playing in 2019 reached almost Ethan Blackadder levels of legend on here if I recall.
Steady on
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@MN5 said in Foster's Firsts.:
@nzzp said in Foster's Firsts.:
@nostrildamus said in Foster's Firsts.:
@nzzp said in Foster's Firsts.:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster's Firsts.:
Disagree with the last part. The RWC showed what these guys are actually capable of.
Counterpoint: who in that squad didn't play better than they had in the 4 year cycle?
Shannon and Sam C have played better.
Which Sam Cane performance was better than his Ireland game?
Sam Cane not playing in 2019 reached almost Ethan Blackadder levels of legend on here if I recall.
Steady on
@Machpants said in Foster's Firsts.:
@MN5 said in Foster's Firsts.:
@nzzp said in Foster's Firsts.:
@nostrildamus said in Foster's Firsts.:
@nzzp said in Foster's Firsts.:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster's Firsts.:
Disagree with the last part. The RWC showed what these guys are actually capable of.
Counterpoint: who in that squad didn't play better than they had in the 4 year cycle?
Shannon and Sam C have played better.
Which Sam Cane performance was better than his Ireland game?
Sam Cane not playing in 2019 reached almost Ethan Blackadder levels of legend on here if I recall.
Steady on
I said almost. Although Sam Cane not playing was the only reason we lost to England remember ?
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@Machpants said in Foster's Firsts.:
@MN5 said in Foster's Firsts.:
@nzzp said in Foster's Firsts.:
@nostrildamus said in Foster's Firsts.:
@nzzp said in Foster's Firsts.:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster's Firsts.:
Disagree with the last part. The RWC showed what these guys are actually capable of.
Counterpoint: who in that squad didn't play better than they had in the 4 year cycle?
Shannon and Sam C have played better.
Which Sam Cane performance was better than his Ireland game?
Sam Cane not playing in 2019 reached almost Ethan Blackadder levels of legend on here if I recall.
Steady on
I said almost. Although Sam Cane not playing was the only reason we lost to England remember ?
@MN5 said in Foster's Firsts.:
@Machpants said in Foster's Firsts.:
@MN5 said in Foster's Firsts.:
@nzzp said in Foster's Firsts.:
@nostrildamus said in Foster's Firsts.:
@nzzp said in Foster's Firsts.:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster's Firsts.:
Disagree with the last part. The RWC showed what these guys are actually capable of.
Counterpoint: who in that squad didn't play better than they had in the 4 year cycle?
Shannon and Sam C have played better.
Which Sam Cane performance was better than his Ireland game?
Sam Cane not playing in 2019 reached almost Ethan Blackadder levels of legend on here if I recall.
Steady on
I said almost. Although Sam Cane not playing was the only reason we lost to England remember ?
We really missed Ngatai
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@nostrildamus said in Foster's Firsts.:
@nzzp said in Foster's Firsts.:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster's Firsts.:
Disagree with the last part. The RWC showed what these guys are actually capable of.
Counterpoint: who in that squad didn't play better than they had in the 4 year cycle?
Shannon and Sam C have played better.
Which Sam Cane performance was better than his Ireland game?
@nzzp said in Foster's Firsts.:
@nostrildamus said in Foster's Firsts.:
@nzzp said in Foster's Firsts.:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster's Firsts.:
Disagree with the last part. The RWC showed what these guys are actually capable of.
Counterpoint: who in that squad didn't play better than they had in the 4 year cycle?
Shannon and Sam C have played better.
Which Sam Cane performance was better than his Ireland game?
I thought he was meaning the final only. My bad if entire RWC.
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