All Blacks 2024
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@nzzp exclude Nonu and I can't see the problem!
pffft, Ben Smith?
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@nzzp exclude Nonu and I can't see the problem!
pffft, Ben Smith?
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@nzzp exclude Nonu and I can't see the problem!
pffft, Ben Smith?
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@nzzp exclude Nonu and I can't see the problem!
pffft, Ben Smith?
and a certain Stephen Donald cameo.
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I mean, it's so spectactularly wrong it's funny.
And it's so spectacularly mean it's funny. I mean, it's saying 'you're the worst elite rugby player I've seen' FFS
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
I mean, it's so spectactularly wrong it's funny.
And it's so spectacularly mean it's funny. I mean, it's saying 'you're the worst elite rugby player I've seen' FFS
Except Highlanders. He could not even be bothered to watch them. Not like he is paid to do so as a professional sports journalist or anything...
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For a blast from the past, I leave below Rattue's take on the worst XV of the Henry era - just prior to the 2011 RWC.
Aged like milk.
On reading that, my first reaction was: "Who are most of these guys?"
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Well the world cup has shown that regarding the AB squad we are there, or there abouts.
Super enthused about the level of interest in rugby at the WC. Great to see the passion from France, Ireland, Portugal ...
Ref support and TMO refinement is a major work-on for 2024.
Excluding this year the last 5 years have been a hard watch supporting the ABs most of the time. The top tiers of NZ rugby lacked clarity and organisation.
Super proud of the WC effort.
Razor not afraid to run his own path.
Next captain firstly has got to be an automatic pick in the team. S Barrett probably.
Massive year End of year tour in UK something I'm looking forward to. -
@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Strange is one of two locks with the size for test footy. The other being Parkinson. And the other is Sam Darry ...
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Strange is one of two locks with the size for test footy. The other being Parkinson. And the other is Sam Darry ...
Stranger things have happened but I have serious doubts about Darry's selection in the AB squad for 2024. He's not dominant in the NPC so the gap is huge with the international requirements. MSR, McWhannel and Sangster have a higher ceiling IMO.
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For a blast from the past, I leave below Rattue's take on the worst XV of the Henry era - just prior to the 2011 RWC.
Aged like milk.
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@W32 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Windows97 SA definitely need to get younger players in. This group bar one or two players will be too old at the next WC. Will be interesting to see what the first test team post WC looks like
Perhaps we'll see a repeat of 2015-19. Boks getting beaten all over the place and then putting the pieces of the jigsaw together near RWC time.
On the AB side of things, there's a pretty strong core team for Robertson to build on and he has the time to get the team where he wants it. I'm more interested in the general direction the team is going in - depth, ability to handle pressure, etc - than in PR fluff or even results in the first season or two.
@Victor-Meldrew I’m hoping things won’t be as dire as they were post 2015. Think a lot of that had to do with Allister Coetzee's non coaching and very poor team cohesion…. But they did lose a lot of senior players around that time as well. Rassie staying on is a good sign, maybe he has a plan.
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Well the world cup has shown that regarding the AB squad we are there, or there abouts.
Super enthused about the level of interest in rugby at the WC. Great to see the passion from France, Ireland, Portugal ...
Ref support and TMO refinement is a major work-on for 2024.
Excluding this year the last 5 years have been a hard watch supporting the ABs most of the time. The top tiers of NZ rugby lacked clarity and organisation.
Super proud of the WC effort.
Razor not afraid to run his own path.
Next captain firstly has got to be an automatic pick in the team. S Barrett probably.
Massive year End of year tour in UK something I'm looking forward to.@BerniesCorner I would love Scott Barrett or someone who is an automatic pick rather than Cane. Felt Dalton played well on the end of year tour 22 and did enough to usurp Cane. Had he played perhaps we would of won the final. Would've, could've should've.
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@Victor-Meldrew I’m hoping things won’t be as dire as they were post 2015. Think a lot of that had to do with Allister Coetzee's non coaching and very poor team cohesion…. But they did lose a lot of senior players around that time as well. Rassie staying on is a good sign, maybe he has a plan.
@W32 It's sort of a pattern with the Bok coaches. One Bok coach will cap a lot of players and then the next two Bok coaches will primarily use those players (only adding a handful of squad players) during their tenures. At the end of that 10-year+ period, the cupboard is bare.
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@W32 It's sort of a pattern with the Bok coaches. One Bok coach will cap a lot of players and then the next two Bok coaches will primarily use those players (only adding a handful of squad players) during their tenures. At the end of that 10-year+ period, the cupboard is bare.
@Punch_up said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@W32 It's sort of a pattern with the Bok coaches. One Bok coach will cap a lot of players and then the next two Bok coaches will primarily use those players (only adding a handful of squad players) during their tenures. At the end of that 10-year+ period, the cupboard is bare.
SA rugby have dropped the "quota" system apparently. Hopefully that will result in color being a non factor in our rugby going forward....that should result in better outcomes all around. I think Rassie and Nienaber deserve credit for identifying, bringing in and nurturing talented players from disadvantaged situations. Kolisi being the obvious example. Honestly as an expat looking on I felt so excited when players like Kolisi, Mapimpi, Am, etc started taking on leadership roles in the team. A huge previously ignored pool of players showing us the way forward. Hopefully the shortsightedness of the past is behind us......
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@Windows97 SA definitely need to get younger players in. This group bar one or two players will be too old at the next WC. Will be interesting to see what the first test team post WC looks like
@W32 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Windows97 SA definitely need to get younger players in. This group bar one or two players will be too old at the next WC. Will be interesting to see what the first test team post WC looks like
Thanks as I'm not that familiar with the SA players aside form the fact they seem to beat us a lot.
However I would say SA is in the more enviable position of having 4 years to blood new players in preparation for the next RWC (albeit by the sounds of it they'll have to blood quite a few) instead of being forced to blood new players immediately in 2024 as they've had a huge exodus post the RWC.
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Interesting the shift from "don't have the cattle" to great and optimistic starting point. Hopefully Razor can bring out the best in them.
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For a blast from the past, I leave below Rattue's take on the worst XV of the Henry era - just prior to the 2011 RWC.
Aged like milk.
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
For a blast from the past, I leave below Rattue's take on the worst XV of the Henry era - just prior to the 2011 RWC.
Aged like milk.
jesus...that might be the worst thing ive ever seen written down
14.) BEN SMITH
The renaissance man according to southerners. Have to take their word for it, since my devotion to Super rugby doesn't often extend to watching the Highlanders. Looked fairly ordinary in his All Black stint compared with the Sivivatus of this world. As for being Ben Smith - All Black wings need handles like Josevata, Hosea, Rico, Rene, Rudi, Cory, Sitiveni, Zac, Israel, Jonah. Call it the Engelbert Humperdinck effect. Do you think Sonny Bill Williams would be Sonny Bill Williams if he wasn't Sonny Bill Williams? Come on. Try Benny Boy Smith-Wesson and just watch your career take off.
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that article is funny for so many reasons
He picked too many low hanging fruit by naming one test wonders. Should have aimed at a few guys who got picked regularly
Ma'a Nonu was already Ma'a Nonu V2 by 2011
Stephen Donald? When Colin Slade had already been picked in that position?Lauaki is plain wrong. People remember that Aus test that was the end of him, but overlook the work before that, and the fact he was a huge loss for that 2007 Qtr Final
I would expect a better list from some of the lessor trolls of this joint
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Every time we have a go at Stephen Jones we should really stop throwing stones in our glasshouse and hang our heads in shame that we come from a country that actually pays Chris Rattue to write about Rugby.
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Every time we have a go at Stephen Jones we should really stop throwing stones in our glasshouse and hang our heads in shame that we come from a country that actually pays Chris Rattue to write about Rugby.
I accept no responsibility for him.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Every time we have a go at Stephen Jones we should really stop throwing stones in our glasshouse and hang our heads in shame that we come from a country that actually pays Chris Rattue to write about Rugby.
I accept no responsibility for him.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Every time we have a go at Stephen Jones we should really stop throwing stones in our glasshouse and hang our heads in shame that we come from a country that actually pays Chris Rattue to write about Rugby.
I accept no responsibility for him.
Apparently he spent a bit of time in the Bay as a youngster.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Every time we have a go at Stephen Jones we should really stop throwing stones in our glasshouse and hang our heads in shame that we come from a country that actually pays Chris Rattue to write about Rugby.
I accept no responsibility for him.
Apparently he spent a bit of time in the Bay as a youngster.
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Every time we have a go at Stephen Jones we should really stop throwing stones in our glasshouse and hang our heads in shame that we come from a country that actually pays Chris Rattue to write about Rugby.
I accept no responsibility for him.
Apparently he spent a bit of time in the Bay as a youngster.
Hopefully he was bullied mercilessly.
