All Blacks 2024
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
It’s astonishing really that we have only have 1 test class lock in NZ currently.
to be fair, what other country would have two ready-made replacements having just lost two guys at the same time who have been the premier duo for 12 years and have 262 tests between them?
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
It’s astonishing really that we have only have 1 test class lock in NZ currently.
to be fair, what other country would have two ready-made replacements having just lost two guys at the same time who have been the premier duo for 12 years and have 262 tests between them?
South Africa? Lost matfield and botha - and got Etzebeth and some other monsters (all from memory)
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I can’t wait until the squad is actually selected so that the echo chambers of mindless speculation are finished.
loool
we'll just move to a new chamber
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I can’t wait until the squad is actually selected so that the echo chambers of mindless speculation are finished.
loool
we'll just move to a new chamber
With Robertson and Ryan in I’m already raging. I just KNOW the ABs are going to be full of players from tauranga and buller. Such fckn favouritism.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I can’t wait until the squad is actually selected so that the echo chambers of mindless speculation are finished.
loool
we'll just move to a new chamber
With Robertson and Ryan in I’m already raging. I just KNOW the ABs are going to be full of players from tauranga and buller. Such fckn favouritism.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Jeff Wilson is obviously stupid, but he's still talking about Quentin Strange starting for the ABs. How dumb can he get?
I think that's a decent possibility
Not because he's good enough, but because the tight five will be selected by Ryan & Robertson
@Duluth I do too. I have no problem with it if he does. He'd obviously be a stop gap, but we are a bit short in that area and he has worked with the coaches in the past obviously.
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The selectors have a history that I’m referencing. Apologies for having an opinion that you don’t like
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
The selectors have a history that I’m referencing. Apologies for having an opinion that you don’t like
Apology accepted.
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Probably only out of necessity due to the fact we have 15 tests this year.
It’s astonishing really that we have only have 1 test class lock in NZ currently.
@DaGrubster I not convinced Vaai isn't good enough for test rugby. He's not Rettalick or Sam W, but I still think he better than many are giving him credit for. You know how it goes on forums, one or 2 say someone not up to it, and a few others get feel it the way to go. Ryan etc haven't been picking him for fun.
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@DaGrubster I not convinced Vaai isn't good enough for test rugby. He's not Rettalick or Sam W, but I still think he better than many are giving him credit for. You know how it goes on forums, one or 2 say someone not up to it, and a few others get feel it the way to go. Ryan etc haven't been picking him for fun.
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@KiwiMurph yeah, i think the whole 6 can play lock and vice versa needs to be wound back...theyre not the same position, scooter doing it when we had BBBR and Whitelock only just worked...but i think you need more specialists in those positions
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@KiwiMurph yeah, i think the whole 6 can play lock and vice versa needs to be wound back...theyre not the same position, scooter doing it when we had BBBR and Whitelock only just worked...but i think you need more specialists in those positions
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph yeah, i think the whole 6 can play lock and vice versa needs to be wound back...theyre not the same position, scooter doing it when we had BBBR and Whitelock only just worked...but i think you need more specialists in those positions
A lock/6 does provide an option for bench cover.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph yeah, i think the whole 6 can play lock and vice versa needs to be wound back...theyre not the same position, scooter doing it when we had BBBR and Whitelock only just worked...but i think you need more specialists in those positions
A lock/6 does provide an option for bench cover.
@booboo that's fair and i might not have worded it right, it can be handy if one of your three can do it like BBBR,whitelock and Scooter....but i dont think it should be the default for all our locks as i just think becoming world class in one position is hard enough....let alone two
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It's easier to move a 6 into lock than vice versa. The main concern would be losing some power in the scrums but most 6s were often locks at age-group level. SB struggled defending from scrums, and he is one of the more mobile locks around.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
It's easier to move a 6 into lock than vice versa.
Kaino in Chicago v Ireland.
You're right - it should work ... but sometimes it doesn't go well
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
It's easier to move a 6 into lock than vice versa.
Kaino in Chicago v Ireland.
You're right - it should work ... but sometimes it doesn't go well
@nzzp i would go as far as to say if doesnt work more often than it does
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
It's easier to move a 6 into lock than vice versa.
Kaino in Chicago v Ireland.
You're right - it should work ... but sometimes it doesn't go well
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Kaino in Chicago v Ireland.
Yeah but that was Kaino and Tuipulotu (no BBBR or SW). What could go wrong?
You need to use the right player who could fill both roles.
I'm not sold on needing a lock/6 as long as the loose forwards have enough versatility to cover multiple positions.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Kaino in Chicago v Ireland.
Yeah but that was Kaino and Tuipulotu (no BBBR or SW). What could go wrong?
You need to use the right player who could fill both roles.
I'm not sold on needing a lock/6 as long as the loose forwards have enough versatility to cover multiple positions.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'm not sold on needing a lock/6 as long as the loose forwards have enough versatility to cover multiple positions.
That's the trade off isn't it. A 6/lock makes it easier to select a specialist openside on the bench. That can be a good option.
However it's easier to find an allrounder loose forward than a good 6/lock
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'm not sold on needing a lock/6 as long as the loose forwards have enough versatility to cover multiple positions.
That's the trade off isn't it. A 6/lock makes it easier to select a specialist openside on the bench. That can be a good option.
However it's easier to find an allrounder loose forward than a good 6/lock
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'm not sold on needing a lock/6 as long as the loose forwards have enough versatility to cover multiple positions.
That's the trade off isn't it. A 6/lock makes it easier to select a specialist openside on the bench. That can be a good option.
However it's easier to find an allrounder loose forward than a good 6/lock
A lot of our loonies seem to be able to cover multiple positions, Savea (think he's maybe available?), Blackadder (injury permitting), Papaalii, Jacobsen ... others), but a lock who could cover 6 gives a bit more cover for high attrition positions without having to go all Rassie with the forward/back bench split.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'm not sold on needing a lock/6 as long as the loose forwards have enough versatility to cover multiple positions.
That's the trade off isn't it. A 6/lock makes it easier to select a specialist openside on the bench. That can be a good option.
However it's easier to find an allrounder loose forward than a good 6/lock
A lot of our loonies seem to be able to cover multiple positions, Savea (think he's maybe available?), Blackadder (injury permitting), Papaalii, Jacobsen ... others), but a lock who could cover 6 gives a bit more cover for high attrition positions without having to go all Rassie with the forward/back bench split.
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
A lot of our loonies seem to be able to cover multiple positions, Savea (think he's maybe available?), Blackadder (injury permitting), Papaalii, Jacobsen ... others)
It'd be quicker to list the genuine specialists: Christie, Sotutu.. not many others
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'm not sold on needing a lock/6 as long as the loose forwards have enough versatility to cover multiple positions.
That's the trade off isn't it. A 6/lock makes it easier to select a specialist openside on the bench. That can be a good option.
However it's easier to find an allrounder loose forward than a good 6/lock
A lot of our loonies seem to be able to cover multiple positions, Savea (think he's maybe available?), Blackadder (injury permitting), Papaalii, Jacobsen ... others), but a lock who could cover 6 gives a bit more cover for high attrition positions without having to go all Rassie with the forward/back bench split.
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
but a lock who could cover 6 gives a bit more cover for high attrition positions without having to go all Rassie with the forward/back bench split.
That's assuming that the lock can effectively play 6.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'm not sold on needing a lock/6 as long as the loose forwards have enough versatility to cover multiple positions.
That's the trade off isn't it. A 6/lock makes it easier to select a specialist openside on the bench. That can be a good option.
However it's easier to find an allrounder loose forward than a good 6/lock
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'm not sold on needing a lock/6 as long as the loose forwards have enough versatility to cover multiple positions.
That's the trade off isn't it. A 6/lock makes it easier to select a specialist openside on the bench. That can be a good option.
However it's easier to find an allrounder loose forward than a good 6/lock
It will be really interesting to see what Razor wants to do here - we have some useful allrounders in Jacobson and Blackadder (if he is ever fit) but I wonder what he will be looking for in his 7 and 8.
I'm wondering whether Ardie is going to return to 7.
