All Blacks 2024
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Razor is different. And thank fuck for that tbh. There is plenty of evidence that he is excellent at building outstanding rugby teams that are highly skilled, technically excellent, and big on culture as well as developing and improving players.
I get what you are saying about working with what you have got. But, so many players have developed into ABs under Razor that I only see his as excellent in a player development role.
Exatly. And if he has 4 years and the skills to do all these things, why would you want to bring back retired players who'll be pushing 40?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Razor is different. And thank fuck for that tbh. There is plenty of evidence that he is excellent at building outstanding rugby teams that are highly skilled, technically excellent, and big on culture as well as developing and improving players.
I get what you are saying about working with what you have got. But, so many players have developed into ABs under Razor that I only see his as excellent in a player development role.
Exatly. And if he has 4 years and the skills to do all these things, why would you want to bring back retired players who'll be pushing 40?
It seems SW's agent sounded out NZR and NZR engaged. Sounds like both parties doing their jobs. I really don't get why this is such a big deal. If they can come to an agreement that sees SW come back, great. I'd rather SW's experienced shared in NZ than France. They have enough of our intellectual capital.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
As you say, the next 2 years are important for Razor to establish himself in international rugby
He's already established in international rugby - he's the bloody Head Coach of the bloody All Blacks.. He didn't think lack of international experience was an issue when going for the job so I don't see why it should be now NZR's actually given him the gig for 4 years.
I'd prefer he uses his time to develop his team based on the current AB core and the talent available to him. If he loses a few on the way then fine, as long as there's development I'd be OK with that.
But if he want's to go for a short-term sticking plaster approach with 37 yr-old retired players in key positions to ensure a good win ratio, then that speaks volumes for his player development skills to me - and not in a good way.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
As you say, the next 2 years are important for Razor to establish himself in international rugby
He's already established in international rugby - he's the bloody Head Coach of the bloody All Blacks.. He didn't think lack of international experience was an issue when going for the job so I don't see why it should be now NZR's actually given him the gig for 4 years.
I'd prefer he uses his time to develop his team based on the current AB core and the talent available to him. If he loses a few on the way then fine, as long as there's development I'd be OK with that.
But if he want's to go for a short-term sticking plaster approach with 37 yr-old retired players in key positions to ensure a good win ratio, then that speaks volumes for his player development skills to me - and not in a good way.
Hell I think other way from you Victor, best players should be used regardless of age. F*** using 4 years for WC development, that is not what tests are about!
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I don't think our depth is as shallow as people are making out, especially at lock.
I think part of the problem is that Sam W and BBBR almost arrived perfectly formed at AB level, and now we expect all locks too.
I think we'll Dane Coles some locks, as in we'll pick them, give them proper regular gametime and they'll be the business.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I don't think our depth is as shallow as people are making out, especially at lock.
I think part of the problem is that Sam W and BBBR almost arrived perfectly formed at AB level, and now we expect all locks too.
I think we'll Dane Coles some locks, as in we'll pick them, give them proper regular gametime and they'll be the business.
Ha. Remember when we all thought Hika Elliot was the better option?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
As you say, the next 2 years are important for Razor to establish himself in international rugby
He's already established in international rugby - he's the bloody Head Coach of the bloody All Blacks.. He didn't think lack of international experience was an issue when going for the job so I don't see why it should be now NZR's actually given him the gig for 4 years.
I'd prefer he uses his time to develop his team based on the current AB core and the talent available to him. If he loses a few on the way then fine, as long as there's development I'd be OK with that.
But if he want's to go for a short-term sticking plaster approach with 37 yr-old retired players in key positions to ensure a good win ratio, then that speaks volumes for his player development skills to me - and not in a good way.
Hell I think other way from you Victor, best players should be used regardless of age. F*** using 4 years for WC development, that is not what tests are about!
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
As you say, the next 2 years are important for Razor to establish himself in international rugby
He's already established in international rugby - he's the bloody Head Coach of the bloody All Blacks.. He didn't think lack of international experience was an issue when going for the job so I don't see why it should be now NZR's actually given him the gig for 4 years.
I'd prefer he uses his time to develop his team based on the current AB core and the talent available to him. If he loses a few on the way then fine, as long as there's development I'd be OK with that.
But if he want's to go for a short-term sticking plaster approach with 37 yr-old retired players in key positions to ensure a good win ratio, then that speaks volumes for his player development skills to me - and not in a good way.
Hell I think other way from you Victor, best players should be used regardless of age. F*** using 4 years for WC development, that is not what tests are about!
The argument is hypothetical as well. It is based on what the wild imaginations of the Fern has come up with, takes on a life of its own, and then discussed like it is a real problem. Actually, it might be a good psychological study on how conspiracy theories work.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I don't think our depth is as shallow as people are making out, especially at lock.
I think part of the problem is that Sam W and BBBR almost arrived perfectly formed at AB level, and now we expect all locks too.
I think we'll Dane Coles some locks, as in we'll pick them, give them proper regular gametime and they'll be the business.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I don't think our depth is as shallow as people are making out, especially at lock.
I think part of the problem is that Sam W and BBBR almost arrived perfectly formed at AB level, and now we expect all locks too.
I think we'll Dane Coles some locks, as in we'll pick them, give them proper regular gametime and they'll be the business.
Could just be me, but I see Josh Lord and Fabian Holland as a close to near ready-made combo who should be humming by 2027.
Obviously Holland isn't available until the EOYT 2025, but he'll be honing his craft in the mean time.
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I think Whitelock would be great. You don't do what he has done over such a long period of time without being there mentally. He's a winner
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We might see Savea 7 and Iose / Sotutu 8.
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
We might see Savea 7 and Iose / Sotutu 8.
I’m confused. Are you misspelling Akiras surname ?
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We might see Savea 7 and Brayden Iose or Sotutu at 8
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Razor is different. And thank fuck for that tbh. There is plenty of evidence that he is excellent at building outstanding rugby teams that are highly skilled, technically excellent, and big on culture as well as developing and improving players.
I get what you are saying about working with what you have got. But, so many players have developed into ABs under Razor that I only see his as excellent in a player development role.
Exatly. And if he has 4 years and the skills to do all these things, why would you want to bring back retired players who'll be pushing 40?
It seems SW's agent sounded out NZR and NZR engaged. Sounds like both parties doing their jobs. I really don't get why this is such a big deal. If they can come to an agreement that sees SW come back, great. I'd rather SW's experienced shared in NZ than France. They have enough of our intellectual capital.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Razor is different. And thank fuck for that tbh. There is plenty of evidence that he is excellent at building outstanding rugby teams that are highly skilled, technically excellent, and big on culture as well as developing and improving players.
I get what you are saying about working with what you have got. But, so many players have developed into ABs under Razor that I only see his as excellent in a player development role.
Exatly. And if he has 4 years and the skills to do all these things, why would you want to bring back retired players who'll be pushing 40?
It seems SW's agent sounded out NZR and NZR engaged. Sounds like both parties doing their jobs. I really don't get why this is such a big deal. If they can come to an agreement that sees SW come back, great. I'd rather SW's experienced shared in NZ than France. They have enough of our intellectual capital.
It's a huge deal if you're trying to be as contrary under Razor's reign as you were under Foster's.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Razor is different. And thank fuck for that tbh. There is plenty of evidence that he is excellent at building outstanding rugby teams that are highly skilled, technically excellent, and big on culture as well as developing and improving players.
I get what you are saying about working with what you have got. But, so many players have developed into ABs under Razor that I only see his as excellent in a player development role.
Exatly. And if he has 4 years and the skills to do all these things, why would you want to bring back retired players who'll be pushing 40?
@Victor-Meldrew I think maybe he see’s an opportunity to bring back an all time great and one of his most trusted lieutenants in a position that we are short in for experience.
It’s a specific role for what hopefully will be a short term problem.
And it appears it was initiated by the agent not Razor chasing him.
And with the attritional year we have ahead of us, perhaps he doesn’t fancy having tupou Vai’i as his senior lock when the inevitable injuries occur.
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Imagine the moans if it came out that SW approached NZR about coming home and they ignored the approach or told him to go away.
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Looks like Roigard could be out for quite some time. Battle between Fakatava and Christie?
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Looks like Roigard could be out for quite some time. Battle between Fakatava and Christie?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Looks like Roigard could be out for quite some time. Battle between Fakatava and Christie?
:face_vomiting:
TJ is next IMO
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Looks like Roigard could be out for quite some time. Battle between Fakatava and Christie?
:face_vomiting:
TJ is next IMO
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Looks like Roigard could be out for quite some time. Battle between Fakatava and Christie?
:face_vomiting:
TJ is next IMO
I'm starting a campaign to bring Nugget back.
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Roigard and Fakatava seem like our best two halfbacks at the moment. I haven't really been following it closely this year. Is that accurate? Anyone else in the picture? Christie looked barely OK tonight.
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Roigard and Fakatava seem like our best two halfbacks at the moment. I haven't really been following it closely this year. Is that accurate? Anyone else in the picture? Christie looked barely OK tonight.
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@Damo Perenara has been very sharp since coming back, he’s right up there aswell.
TJP has looked good coming on as a replacement. Fakatava then TJ in my book with Ratima in the mix.
EDIT: Christie hasn't impressed so far this year but think he'll be in the discussion.
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Right, this is what I am seeing AB wise.
Props- Canes loosehead props seriously pushing for higher honors as well as the Crusaders' props reinforcing their credentials. The big loser in this could be Ofa
Hooker- Aumua looks the goods for reinstatement. Added a tight component to his running game.
Finau should be one of the first on the list.
Sotutu looking the goods for reinstatement.
Roigard is superlative - pray for a recovery.
DMac then daylight.
Telea
Stevenson deserves another shot (His territorial kicking game plus counterattacking combo with DMac...).
