Super Rugby 2024
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Blues have played three NZ teams and are 2 and 1, with a loss to the top team.
Chiefs have played three NZ derby games and are 2 and 1, with a loss to the bottom team. They've also played the bottom NZ team twice and the second bottom NZ team once.
Hurricanes have played three NZ teams, including the bottom two, but beat the Blues and are 3 and 0.
Highlanders have played the top three NZ teams and are 0 and 3. They have not played the bottom team yet.
Crusaders have played the top three NZ teams over four games, and are 1 and 3. Really shithouse performance from the Chiefs in that one. Some very lazy tackling, especially from non number 8 Jacobson.
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Similar number of derby games left. The Blues number is largely about not playing the best Aussies sides yet (Brumbies, Rebels, Reds)
In terms of the run home, I think Home games remaining is worth looking at too. Chiefs have 2 of the last 7 at home. Blues 4 of the last 7. Canes 4 of the next 8
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Ball carriers hitting the ground as a result of a tackle attempt, being millimetres out of someone's grasp and being allowed to get up and go again, because they weren't "held".
It's happening way too much in super rugby this year - at least fucken make them release the ball if they've hit the ground, but this isn't happening.
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Also getting sick of watching kickers walk up to the mark for a penalty when kicking for touch then starting their 5m run up to kick.
Fucks sake, why don't the refs concentrate on the basics and build from there?
@Bones tbf that one had been happening for years, see it at the top level too.
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Ball carriers hitting the ground as a result of a tackle attempt, being millimetres out of someone's grasp and being allowed to get up and go again, because they weren't "held".
It's happening way too much in super rugby this year - at least fucken make them release the ball if they've hit the ground, but this isn't happening.
@Bones said in Super Rugby 2024:
Ball carriers hitting the ground as a result of a tackle attempt, being millimetres out of someone's grasp and being allowed to get up and go again, because they weren't "held".
It's happening way too much in super rugby this year - at least fucken make them release the ball if they've hit the ground, but this isn't happening.
What's the law here? Just need to touch ball carrier when he's tackled? In which case they're well within their rights to do what you're saying. A miss is as good as a mile.
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@Bones said in Super Rugby 2024:
Ball carriers hitting the ground as a result of a tackle attempt, being millimetres out of someone's grasp and being allowed to get up and go again, because they weren't "held".
It's happening way too much in super rugby this year - at least fucken make them release the ball if they've hit the ground, but this isn't happening.
What's the law here? Just need to touch ball carrier when he's tackled? In which case they're well within their rights to do what you're saying. A miss is as good as a mile.
@delicatessen said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Bones said in Super Rugby 2024:
Ball carriers hitting the ground as a result of a tackle attempt, being millimetres out of someone's grasp and being allowed to get up and go again, because they weren't "held".
It's happening way too much in super rugby this year - at least fucken make them release the ball if they've hit the ground, but this isn't happening.
What's the law here? Just need to touch ball carrier when he's tackled? In which case they're well within their rights to do what you're saying. A miss is as good as a mile.
How did they end up on the ground? What's the law on not releasing the ball when on the ground?
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@delicatessen said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Bones said in Super Rugby 2024:
Ball carriers hitting the ground as a result of a tackle attempt, being millimetres out of someone's grasp and being allowed to get up and go again, because they weren't "held".
It's happening way too much in super rugby this year - at least fucken make them release the ball if they've hit the ground, but this isn't happening.
What's the law here? Just need to touch ball carrier when he's tackled? In which case they're well within their rights to do what you're saying. A miss is as good as a mile.
How did they end up on the ground? What's the law on not releasing the ball when on the ground?
@Bones said in Super Rugby 2024:
@delicatessen said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Bones said in Super Rugby 2024:
Ball carriers hitting the ground as a result of a tackle attempt, being millimetres out of someone's grasp and being allowed to get up and go again, because they weren't "held".
It's happening way too much in super rugby this year - at least fucken make them release the ball if they've hit the ground, but this isn't happening.
What's the law here? Just need to touch ball carrier when he's tackled? In which case they're well within their rights to do what you're saying. A miss is as good as a mile.
How did they end up on the ground? What's the law on not releasing the ball when on the ground?
Was genuinely asking. Presumably the 'not held' call means a tackle hasn't been completed. If someone falls over while receiving a deep kick do they have to release the ball?
I would be way more/less sure of my ground if I could be arsed looking up the relevant laws.
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@Bones said in Super Rugby 2024:
@delicatessen said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Bones said in Super Rugby 2024:
Ball carriers hitting the ground as a result of a tackle attempt, being millimetres out of someone's grasp and being allowed to get up and go again, because they weren't "held".
It's happening way too much in super rugby this year - at least fucken make them release the ball if they've hit the ground, but this isn't happening.
What's the law here? Just need to touch ball carrier when he's tackled? In which case they're well within their rights to do what you're saying. A miss is as good as a mile.
How did they end up on the ground? What's the law on not releasing the ball when on the ground?
Was genuinely asking. Presumably the 'not held' call means a tackle hasn't been completed. If someone falls over while receiving a deep kick do they have to release the ball?
I would be way more/less sure of my ground if I could be arsed looking up the relevant laws.
@delicatessen said in Super Rugby 2024:
If someone falls over while receiving a deep kick do they have to release the ball?
In theory I think yeah, but I think anyone is happy for the ref to use his discretion there. Happy to even let it slide probably in a situation like where someone gets ankle tapped and falls miles away from a defender.
If a ball carrier bounces slightly out of a tackler"s grasp as they hit the ground, that's a tackle to me. It does irk a lot more when the tackler has clearly released on purpose cos...well... that's the law.
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Also getting sick of watching kickers walk up to the mark for a penalty when kicking for touch then starting their 5m run up to kick.
Fucks sake, why don't the refs concentrate on the basics and build from there?
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@Bones said in Super Rugby 2024:
@delicatessen said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Bones said in Super Rugby 2024:
Ball carriers hitting the ground as a result of a tackle attempt, being millimetres out of someone's grasp and being allowed to get up and go again, because they weren't "held".
It's happening way too much in super rugby this year - at least fucken make them release the ball if they've hit the ground, but this isn't happening.
What's the law here? Just need to touch ball carrier when he's tackled? In which case they're well within their rights to do what you're saying. A miss is as good as a mile.
How did they end up on the ground? What's the law on not releasing the ball when on the ground?
Was genuinely asking. Presumably the 'not held' call means a tackle hasn't been completed. If someone falls over while receiving a deep kick do they have to release the ball?
I would be way more/less sure of my ground if I could be arsed looking up the relevant laws.
@delicatessen said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Bones said in Super Rugby 2024:
@delicatessen said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Bones said in Super Rugby 2024:
Ball carriers hitting the ground as a result of a tackle attempt, being millimetres out of someone's grasp and being allowed to get up and go again, because they weren't "held".
It's happening way too much in super rugby this year - at least fucken make them release the ball if they've hit the ground, but this isn't happening.
What's the law here? Just need to touch ball carrier when he's tackled? In which case they're well within their rights to do what you're saying. A miss is as good as a mile.
How did they end up on the ground? What's the law on not releasing the ball when on the ground?
Was genuinely asking. Presumably the 'not held' call means a tackle hasn't been completed. If someone falls over while receiving a deep kick do they have to release the ball?
No. They have to make one of three actions "immediately": Get up off the ground, play the ball or release the ball.
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@Tim said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Duluth Given the Chiefs' poor away form so far, that must be a concern for them.
Chiefs have lost all their away games so far.
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@Tim said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Duluth Given the Chiefs' poor away form so far, that must be a concern for them.
Chiefs have lost all their away games so far.
@Tim the Rebels are now ahead of the Chiefs now on the table. Holy heck.
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@Tim the Rebels are now ahead of the Chiefs now on the table. Holy heck.
@Canes4life said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Tim the Rebels are now ahead of the Chiefs now on the table. Holy heck.
Crazy, this is their last season too. Can't be much argument this session that Ozzie deserve 5 teams with saders and Landers cellar dwellers with force
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@Tim the Rebels are now ahead of the Chiefs now on the table. Holy heck.
@Canes4life said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Tim the Rebels are now ahead of the Chiefs now on the table. Holy heck.
Sometimes adversity galvanises - perhaps the Highlanders should be placed into administration and we can hope for vast improvement?
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Go Moana haha. Coming 11th is a success for us.
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The run home:
Hurricanes
Drua (A), Brumbies (A), Waratahs (H), Blues (A), MP (H), Chiefs (A), Highlanders (H)
Blues
Brumbies (H), Reds (A), Rebels (A), Hurricanes (H), Highlanders (H), Crusaders (A), Chiefs (H)
Brumbies
Blues (A), Hurricanes (H), Drua (H), Waratahs (A), Crusaders (H), Rebels (H), Force (A)
Rebels
Bye, Crusaders (A), Blues (H), Reds (A), Chiefs (H), Brumbies (A), Drua (A)
Chiefs
Bye, Waratahs (A), Force (H), MP (A), Rebels (A), Hurricanes (H), Blues (A)
Reds
Highlanders (H), Blues (H), Crusaders (A), Rebels (H), Drua (A), Force (H), Waratahs (A)
Drua
Hurricanes (H), MP (H), Brumbies (A), Force (A), Reds (H), Highlanders (A), Rebels (H)
Moana Pasifika
Bye, Drua (A), Highlanders (H), Chiefs (H), Hurricanes (A), Waratahs (H), Crusaders (A)
Waratahs
Bye, Chiefs (H), Hurricanes (A), Brumbies (H), Force (A), MP (A), Reds (H)
Highlanders
Reds (A), Force (H), MP (A), Crusaders (H), Blues (A), Drua (H), Hurricanes (A)
Crusaders
Force (A), Rebels (H), Reds (H), Highlanders (A), Brumbies (A), Blues (H), MP (H)
Force
Crusaders (H), Highlaners (A), Chiefs (A), Drua (H), Waratahs (H), Reds (A), Brumbies (H)
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Teams will need five or six wins to make the playoffs, so it's going to be a tight fit at the bottom.
Brumbies will get a hiding next week (low tackle percentage), but might have the easiest run home.
The Rebels (five wins, four bonus points) are in some danger of dropping out with their tough run home. Their most winnable games might all be away fixtures: Crusaders, Reds, Brumbies, Drua. They may only need one more bonus point to clinch a playoff spot though.
The Chiefs have four very winnable games left, and will probably get a home quarter final.
The Reds (three wins, five bonus points) will target the Highlanders (H), Crusaders (A), Rebels (H), Force (H), and Waratahs (A), and should just squeak home.
That leaves two more places in the playoffs.
The Drua (three wins) only have one bonus point, so will need three wins. MP, Reds, and Rebels are all at home.
MP have the same wins and BPs, but one less game remaining. They have a tough run home and may well dip out.
The Tahs have two wins and four bonus points. They will target these four games: Brumbies (H), Force (A), MP (A), Reds (H). Three from four plus a bonus point or two is a tough ask. Probably miss out.
The Highlanders have two wins and three bonus points. Five of their games are winnable: Reds (A), Force (H), MP (A), Crusaders (H), Drua (H). Probably win three. Real danger of missing out. Crusaders game is huge for their season.
Crusaders: one (1) win, three bonus points. Remaining games: Force (A), Rebels (H), Reds (H), Highlanders (A), Brumbies (A), Blues (H), MP (H). If they can beat the Force (A), Rebels (H), Reds (H), and MP (H) then they have a chance. Hasn't happened this year though.
Force: isn't happening.
Predictions?
Hurricanes
Blues
Brumbies
Chiefs
Reds
Rebels
Drua
HighlandersSix wins could well be the dividing line.
Hurricanes vs. Blues final. Defence wins big matches.
