All Blacks 2024
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@Mr-Fish I can't figure out how Sotutu at 8 relates to Cane at 7. Are we talking Savea at 7?
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Mr-Fish I can't figure out how Sotutu at 8 relates to Cane at 7. Are we talking Savea at 7?
Sorry yeah that wasn't super clear.
If the selectors want to try Sotutu against the Springboks and England, it's difficult to see them leaving Savea out of the starting line-up altogether, which would presumably push Cane out of the team.
There's so many permutations, but naturally a lot will become clearer once that first squad is named.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Can't see the point of selecting a player who won't play Super Rugby in 2024 or 2025. You are effectively selecting a player from overseas. May as well get Mo'unga and Retallick in that case.
I'd select Cane. He's a 95 test AB and AB captain who was playing excellent rugby at the World Cup.
Get a young loosie (I.e. Lakai or whoever) around the squad for the year to soak up knowledge from Cane then transition in 2025.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Can't see the point of selecting a player who won't play Super Rugby in 2024 or 2025. You are effectively selecting a player from overseas. May as well get Mo'unga and Retallick in that case.
I'd select Cane. He's a 95 test AB and AB captain who was playing excellent rugby at the World Cup.
Get a young loosie (I.e. Lakai or whoever) around the squad for the year to soak up knowledge from Cane then transition in 2025.
Presuming the coaching staff are conservative for the England series:
I think the additions to the front rowers club may be solely Numia for Laulala and Aumua for Coles. Locks will be Barrett, Tuipulotu and two others (hopefully McWhannell). Cane, Sotutu, Papali'i, Finau, Savea, Ioane as backrowers (Lakai to come in after England are dispatched). Halves are TJP, Christie and Funaki. First fives are DMac and Beaudy with Havili in the team covering positions in midfield too. Midfielders are Jordie, Rieko, Havili and Proctor. Back three will be Reece, Clarke, Love, Tele'a and ..?
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Can't see the point of selecting a player who won't play Super Rugby in 2024 or 2025. You are effectively selecting a player from overseas. May as well get Mo'unga and Retallick in that case.
I'd select Cane. He's a 95 test AB and AB captain who was playing excellent rugby at the World Cup.
Get a young loosie (I.e. Lakai or whoever) around the squad for the year to soak up knowledge from Cane then transition in 2025.
Presuming the coaching staff are conservative for the England series:
I think the additions to the front rowers club may be solely Numia for Laulala and Aumua for Coles. Locks will be Barrett, Tuipulotu and two others (hopefully McWhannell). Cane, Sotutu, Papali'i, Finau, Savea, Ioane as backrowers (Lakai to come in after England are dispatched). Halves are TJP, Christie and Funaki. First fives are DMac and Beaudy with Havili in the team covering positions in midfield too. Midfielders are Jordie, Rieko, Havili and Proctor. Back three will be Reece, Clarke, Love, Tele'a and ..?
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Interesting that Stuff article on Cane mentions a 32 man AB squad. Presume nine front row, four locks, six back row, two halves, two first fives, four midfield and five in back three?
Three halfbacks is a lock in, so probably shave off a back row.
Given we're talking two domestic tests, I'm not convinced three halfbacks is a lock. I expect it will come down to who Razor wants to take a look at. Great shame there's no AB XV match in July.
Not picking 3 halfbacks and 3 hookers in a 32 man squad is madness. Need backup in case someone goes down during warm ups at least
DMac?
So a halfback goes down in warm-up and our starting 10 is our back up 9 vs England?
Beaudy is our starting 10.
That's yuck. Beauden Barrett was a shit 10 when he last played there, 2 years ago.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Can't see the point of selecting a player who won't play Super Rugby in 2024 or 2025. You are effectively selecting a player from overseas. May as well get Mo'unga and Retallick in that case.
I'd select Cane. He's a 95 test AB and AB captain who was playing excellent rugby at the World Cup.
Get a young loosie (I.e. Lakai or whoever) around the squad for the year to soak up knowledge from Cane then transition in 2025.
Presuming the coaching staff are conservative for the England series:
I think the additions to the front rowers club may be solely Numia for Laulala and Aumua for Coles. Locks will be Barrett, Tuipulotu and two others (hopefully McWhannell). Cane, Sotutu, Papali'i, Finau, Savea, Ioane as backrowers (Lakai to come in after England are dispatched). Halves are TJP, Christie and Funaki. First fives are DMac and Beaudy with Havili in the team covering positions in midfield too. Midfielders are Jordie, Rieko, Havili and Proctor. Back three will be Reece, Clarke, Love, Tele'a and ..?
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@antipodean got to be Narawa. Might be a bit of a punt taken on Highlanders Telea depending on how he finishes the season.
@Bones I was going to say Narawa, but I have a sneaking suspicion Fihaki might get called up.
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@antipodean That's 33! Think Lakai might be in if Cane not yet hundy. For me Cane (or Lakai)/Paps/Finau/Akira/RD/Hoskins.
Accept logic of three 9s, but hard to pare down to five loosies.@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean That's 33! Think Lakai might be in if Cane not yet hundy. For me Cane (or Lakai)/Paps/Finau/Akira/RD/Hoskins.
Accept logic of three 9s, but hard to pare down to five loosies.Good point, I should've kept count as I dazed at the crystal ball. Might be easiest to restrict the back three positions to make 32.
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean That's 33! Think Lakai might be in if Cane not yet hundy. For me Cane (or Lakai)/Paps/Finau/Akira/RD/Hoskins.
Accept logic of three 9s, but hard to pare down to five loosies.Good point, I should've kept count as I dazed at the crystal ball. Might be easiest to restrict the back three positions to make 32.
@antipodean Or just use some Silver Lake moolah to stretch to 33!
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Can't see the point of selecting a player who won't play Super Rugby in 2024 or 2025. You are effectively selecting a player from overseas. May as well get Mo'unga and Retallick in that case.
I'd select Cane. He's a 95 test AB and AB captain who was playing excellent rugby at the World Cup.
Get a young loosie (I.e. Lakai or whoever) around the squad for the year to soak up knowledge from Cane then transition in 2025.
Presuming the coaching staff are conservative for the England series:
I think the additions to the front rowers club may be solely Numia for Laulala and Aumua for Coles. Locks will be Barrett, Tuipulotu and two others (hopefully McWhannell). Cane, Sotutu, Papali'i, Finau, Savea, Ioane as backrowers (Lakai to come in after England are dispatched). Halves are TJP, Christie and Funaki. First fives are DMac and Beaudy with Havili in the team covering positions in midfield too. Midfielders are Jordie, Rieko, Havili and Proctor. Back three will be Reece, Clarke, Love, Tele'a and ..?
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Halves are TJP, Christie and Funaki.
Fuckin hell - desperation city
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Need someone who covers wing and fullback. Stevenson, if fit, would cover that. Prefer ALB to Havili.
Robertson clearly has the hots for Havili though so I think we'll see him in the squad to cover 10 & 12. Going forward, I'm keeping an eye on Quinn Tupaea - he seems to be getting back to some good form.
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Robertson clearly has the hots for Havili though so I think we'll see him in the squad to cover 10 & 12. Going forward, I'm keeping an eye on Quinn Tupaea - he seems to be getting back to some good form.
@Victor-Meldrew Bryn Hall a few rugby pods ago said the Razor likes to have a few of his 'supporters' in the sheds to facilitate the message. Havili and Reece are about the only two Saders backs showing enough to be considered!
And why Bower might also squeeze in.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Can't see the point of selecting a player who won't play Super Rugby in 2024 or 2025. You are effectively selecting a player from overseas. May as well get Mo'unga and Retallick in that case.
I'd select Cane. He's a 95 test AB and AB captain who was playing excellent rugby at the World Cup.
Get a young loosie (I.e. Lakai or whoever) around the squad for the year to soak up knowledge from Cane then transition in 2025.
Presuming the coaching staff are conservative for the England series:
I think the additions to the front rowers club may be solely Numia for Laulala and Aumua for Coles. Locks will be Barrett, Tuipulotu and two others (hopefully McWhannell). Cane, Sotutu, Papali'i, Finau, Savea, Ioane as backrowers (Lakai to come in after England are dispatched). Halves are TJP, Christie and Funaki. First fives are DMac and Beaudy with Havili in the team covering positions in midfield too. Midfielders are Jordie, Rieko, Havili and Proctor. Back three will be Reece, Clarke, Love, Tele'a and ..?
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Can't see the point of selecting a player who won't play Super Rugby in 2024 or 2025. You are effectively selecting a player from overseas. May as well get Mo'unga and Retallick in that case.
I'd select Cane. He's a 95 test AB and AB captain who was playing excellent rugby at the World Cup.
Get a young loosie (I.e. Lakai or whoever) around the squad for the year to soak up knowledge from Cane then transition in 2025.
Presuming the coaching staff are conservative for the England series:
I think the additions to the front rowers club may be solely Numia for Laulala and Aumua for Coles. Locks will be Barrett, Tuipulotu and two others (hopefully McWhannell). Cane, Sotutu, Papali'i, Finau, Savea, Ioane as backrowers (Lakai to come in after England are dispatched). Halves are TJP, Christie and Funaki. First fives are DMac and Beaudy with Havili in the team covering positions in midfield too. Midfielders are Jordie, Rieko, Havili and Proctor. Back three will be Reece, Clarke, Love, Tele'a and ..?
A some of those selections will not be in the squad I reckon.
Ioane won’t be there or Funaki
Darry more likely than McWhannell.
The rest I think will be there.
Bower a big chance under Ryan as well. -
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Can't see the point of selecting a player who won't play Super Rugby in 2024 or 2025. You are effectively selecting a player from overseas. May as well get Mo'unga and Retallick in that case.
I'd select Cane. He's a 95 test AB and AB captain who was playing excellent rugby at the World Cup.
Get a young loosie (I.e. Lakai or whoever) around the squad for the year to soak up knowledge from Cane then transition in 2025.
Presuming the coaching staff are conservative for the England series:
I think the additions to the front rowers club may be solely Numia for Laulala and Aumua for Coles. Locks will be Barrett, Tuipulotu and two others (hopefully McWhannell). Cane, Sotutu, Papali'i, Finau, Savea, Ioane as backrowers (Lakai to come in after England are dispatched). Halves are TJP, Christie and Funaki. First fives are DMac and Beaudy with Havili in the team covering positions in midfield too. Midfielders are Jordie, Rieko, Havili and Proctor. Back three will be Reece, Clarke, Love, Tele'a and ..?
A some of those selections will not be in the squad I reckon.
Ioane won’t be there or Funaki
Darry more likely than McWhannell.
The rest I think will be there.
Bower a big chance under Ryan as well.@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Can't see the point of selecting a player who won't play Super Rugby in 2024 or 2025. You are effectively selecting a player from overseas. May as well get Mo'unga and Retallick in that case.
I'd select Cane. He's a 95 test AB and AB captain who was playing excellent rugby at the World Cup.
Get a young loosie (I.e. Lakai or whoever) around the squad for the year to soak up knowledge from Cane then transition in 2025.
Presuming the coaching staff are conservative for the England series:
I think the additions to the front rowers club may be solely Numia for Laulala and Aumua for Coles. Locks will be Barrett, Tuipulotu and two others (hopefully McWhannell). Cane, Sotutu, Papali'i, Finau, Savea, Ioane as backrowers (Lakai to come in after England are dispatched). Halves are TJP, Christie and Funaki. First fives are DMac and Beaudy with Havili in the team covering positions in midfield too. Midfielders are Jordie, Rieko, Havili and Proctor. Back three will be Reece, Clarke, Love, Tele'a and ..?
A some of those selections will not be in the squad I reckon.
Ioane won’t be there or Funaki
Darry more likely than McWhannell.
The rest I think will be there.
Bower a big chance under Ryan as well.Obviously Ioane isn't liked by the coaches but is Funaki not either or is that just your opinion? Fair enough if it's you're opinion, just curious haha.
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@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
would it be fair to say AS is only l;oose forward guaranteed get in squad?
Can't see how Sotutu and Finau aren't guaranteed.
Oh and Barrett...
