All Blacks 2024
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Between Ardie and Barrett, yikes. Not exactly the two sharpest knives in the drawer.
Captain is a concern - as much as I hate to say it with the ambuguity in the game these days the captain has to be someone that can get in the ear of the ref and influence them.
Savea is just extremely passive with the ref and Barret would probably just annoy them.
How good is Papps with his coms to the ref?
He's fine, but not as good as Patrick.
It would be tempting to me to make one of Taylor or Patrick captain for one year as an interim captain.
Loose forward is going to be very contested, and IMO we want to be able to try Hoskins at 8. Ardie's not been a seven for a long time now too.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Between Ardie and Barrett, yikes. Not exactly the two sharpest knives in the drawer.
Captain is a concern - as much as I hate to say it with the ambuguity in the game these days the captain has to be someone that can get in the ear of the ref and influence them.
Savea is just extremely passive with the ref and Barret would probably just annoy them.
How good is Papps with his coms to the ref?
He's fine, but not as good as Patrick.
It would be tempting to me to make one of Taylor or Patrick captain for one year as an interim captain.
Loose forward is going to be very contested, and IMO we want to be able to try Hoskins at 8. Ardie's not been a seven for a long time now too.
Probably won't happen because he might not be guaranteed starter who can fire for 80 minutes, but making Patty T AB captain might light a fire under him to lift his game at international level. Our lock situation is looking precarious. The way forward might be to try to get something more out of existing options.
As it is, I think Scott Barrett will captain the side.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Admittedly I haven't watched much Super, but would Proctor be a better option than ALB on the bench?
Proctor has been the form 13 of Super Rugby. He's been excellent. He does the ability to play 12 - right now ALB has runs on the board but if Proctor can transfer his Super form to test level then he will give Razor something to really think about.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Admittedly I haven't watched much Super, but would Proctor be a better option than ALB on the bench?
Proctor has been the form 13 of Super Rugby. He's been excellent. He does the ability to play 12 - right now ALB has runs on the board but if Proctor can transfer his Super form to test level then he will give Razor something to really think about.
Proctor doesn't play 12 much. But he was outstanding in his one start at super rugby level during 2023. Close to his best game ever
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'd be very surprised if they pick 4 wings in a 32 man squad
the World Cup was only like 8 months ago
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'd be very surprised if they pick 4 wings in a 32 man squad
the World Cup was only like 8 months ago
Yeah, but they picked 5 wings in a 33 man squad. What's your point?
I reckon picking the injured Narawa and replacing him later (with Blackadder) was a total (and very smart) ploy.
To labour the point....
Narawa and Clarke collectively (all Clarke) played one game against a minnow and 20 minutes off the bench vs another minnow. In a comp. where there are restrictions around replacing players. For our first three tests this year we can bring whomever we want into our squad if someone gets injured.
They won't pick 4 wings - but, you know this!
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'd be very surprised if they pick 4 wings in a 32 man squad
the World Cup was only like 8 months ago
Yeah, but they picked 5 wings in a 33 man squad. What's your point?
I reckon picking the injured Narawa and replacing him later (with Blackadder) was a total (and very smart) ploy.
To labour the point....
Narawa and Clarke collectively (all Clarke) played one game against a minnow and 20 minutes off the bench vs another minnow. In a comp. where there are restrictions around replacing players. For our first three tests this year we can bring whomever we want into our squad if someone gets injured.
They won't pick 4 wings - but, you know this!
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris-B probably looking for versatility, hello McNicholl, Springer and Reece.
Sevu's got a good chance of making it. I don't think the others...shall.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris-B probably looking for versatility, hello McNicholl, Springer and Reece.
Sevu's got a good chance of making it. I don't think the others...shall.
With Aumua and Havili able to cover the rest of the backline outside 9, they're a shoo-in.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris-B probably looking for versatility, hello McNicholl, Springer and Reece.
McNicholl ineligible?
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris-B probably looking for versatility, hello McNicholl, Springer and Reece.
McNicholl ineligible?
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris-B probably looking for versatility, hello McNicholl, Springer and Reece.
McNicholl ineligible?
Last capped for Wales in 2022 so yes he’s ineligible. Wouldn’t be considered to get a call up at 33 years old anyway, especially as an outside back.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris-B probably looking for versatility, hello McNicholl, Springer and Reece.
McNicholl ineligible?
Last capped for Wales in 2022 so yes he’s ineligible. Wouldn’t be considered to get a call up at 33 years old anyway, especially as an outside back.
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris-B probably looking for versatility, hello McNicholl, Springer and Reece.
McNicholl ineligible?
Last capped for Wales in 2022 so yes he’s ineligible. Wouldn’t be considered to get a call up at 33 years old anyway, especially as an outside back.
In fairness he’s looking better as a Crusader than he did as a Scarlet
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris-B probably looking for versatility, hello McNicholl, Springer and Reece.
McNicholl ineligible?
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris-B probably looking for versatility, hello McNicholl, Springer and Reece.
McNicholl ineligible?
Ok I didn't think I'd need to clarify, but there was absolutely zero seriousness in my post.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Between Ardie and Barrett, yikes. Not exactly the two sharpest knives in the drawer.
Most likely Scooter. Has the mana and the time to grow as captain.
If the likes of Pat T and/or Cane are selected, there'd be enough experience around him to call on.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Between Ardie and Barrett, yikes. Not exactly the two sharpest knives in the drawer.
Most likely Scooter. Has the mana and the time to grow as captain.
If the likes of Pat T and/or Cane are selected, there'd be enough experience around him to call on.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Most likely Scooter.
Because of Robertson?
I don't think Scott has even close to the charisma needed right now. He comes across as a bit boring. At a time when NZR maybe needs someone who offers a bit more.
And maybe another Crusader is becoming a bit much.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
McCaw was a great captain, but dull as dishwater. This ain’t Eurovision.
my view is McCaw was miles better than Scott. But rugby needs to recognise it's in the entertainment business. We need more dynamic leaders that especially resonate's with a younger audience. My view is Ardie does much better than Scott.
But it's possible Ardie wouldn't want the job
There's also the PI factor. Add some diversity
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
McCaw was a great captain, but dull as dishwater. This ain’t Eurovision.
my view is McCaw was miles better than Scott. But rugby needs to recognise it's in the entertainment business. We need more dynamic leaders that especially resonate's with a younger audience. My view is Ardie does much better than Scott.
But it's possible Ardie wouldn't want the job
There's also the PI factor. Add some diversity
@Winger Disagree completely.
I'd have no problem with Ardie, but for different reasons.
All Blacks get eyeballs because they win. Having a captain that cna influence refs is their core role. The rest is fluff. Leadership can come from VC or seniors in the squad. Diversity and entertainment are secondary to the core role.
If I were Razor, I'd be asking- for locked in starters:
- Who can influence refs at the top level the best (or learn to, like McCaw)
- Are any of them credible 4 year captains?
then I'd be looking at media skills, diversity, entertainment, etc.
Very few get past step 1. How many 4 year candidates are there? I suspect SBar, Rieko, Jordie and then you're scratching around.
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@Winger Disagree completely.
I'd have no problem with Ardie, but for different reasons.
All Blacks get eyeballs because they win. Having a captain that cna influence refs is their core role. The rest is fluff. Leadership can come from VC or seniors in the squad. Diversity and entertainment are secondary to the core role.
If I were Razor, I'd be asking- for locked in starters:
- Who can influence refs at the top level the best (or learn to, like McCaw)
- Are any of them credible 4 year captains?
then I'd be looking at media skills, diversity, entertainment, etc.
Very few get past step 1. How many 4 year candidates are there? I suspect SBar, Rieko, Jordie and then you're scratching around.
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Winger Disagree completely.
I'd have no problem with Ardie, but for different reasons.
All Blacks get eyeballs because they win. Having a captain that cna influence refs is their core role. The rest is fluff. Leadership can come from VC or seniors in the squad. Diversity and entertainment are secondary to the core role.
If I were Razor, I'd be asking- for locked in starters:
- Who can influence refs at the top level the best (or learn to, like McCaw)
- Are any of them credible 4 year captains?
then I'd be looking at media skills, diversity, entertainment, etc.
Very few get past step 1. How many 4 year candidates are there? I suspect SBar, Rieko, Jordie and then you're scratching around.
Papali'i, Taukei'aho, De Groot and Lomax are probably the others you'd bank on being there in 2023. Papali'i is a pretty feasible option in my mind.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Winger Disagree completely.
I'd have no problem with Ardie, but for different reasons.
All Blacks get eyeballs because they win. Having a captain that cna influence refs is their core role. The rest is fluff. Leadership can come from VC or seniors in the squad. Diversity and entertainment are secondary to the core role.
If I were Razor, I'd be asking- for locked in starters:
- Who can influence refs at the top level the best (or learn to, like McCaw)
- Are any of them credible 4 year captains?
then I'd be looking at media skills, diversity, entertainment, etc.
Very few get past step 1. How many 4 year candidates are there? I suspect SBar, Rieko, Jordie and then you're scratching around.
Papali'i, Taukei'aho, De Groot and Lomax are probably the others you'd bank on being there in 2023. Papali'i is a pretty feasible option in my mind.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Winger Disagree completely.
I'd have no problem with Ardie, but for different reasons.
All Blacks get eyeballs because they win. Having a captain that cna influence refs is their core role. The rest is fluff. Leadership can come from VC or seniors in the squad. Diversity and entertainment are secondary to the core role.
If I were Razor, I'd be asking- for locked in starters:
- Who can influence refs at the top level the best (or learn to, like McCaw)
- Are any of them credible 4 year captains?
then I'd be looking at media skills, diversity, entertainment, etc.
Very few get past step 1. How many 4 year candidates are there? I suspect SBar, Rieko, Jordie and then you're scratching around.
Papali'i, Taukei'aho, De Groot and Lomax are probably the others you'd bank on being there in 2023.
I dunno.... there didn't look to be that much space in the DeLorean to me....
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Winger Disagree completely.
I'd have no problem with Ardie, but for different reasons.
All Blacks get eyeballs because they win. Having a captain that cna influence refs is their core role. The rest is fluff. Leadership can come from VC or seniors in the squad. Diversity and entertainment are secondary to the core role.
If I were Razor, I'd be asking- for locked in starters:
- Who can influence refs at the top level the best (or learn to, like McCaw)
- Are any of them credible 4 year captains?
then I'd be looking at media skills, diversity, entertainment, etc.
Very few get past step 1. How many 4 year candidates are there? I suspect SBar, Rieko, Jordie and then you're scratching around.
Papali'i, Taukei'aho, De Groot and Lomax are probably the others you'd bank on being there in 2023. Papali'i is a pretty feasible option in my mind.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Winger Disagree completely.
I'd have no problem with Ardie, but for different reasons.
All Blacks get eyeballs because they win. Having a captain that cna influence refs is their core role. The rest is fluff. Leadership can come from VC or seniors in the squad. Diversity and entertainment are secondary to the core role.
If I were Razor, I'd be asking- for locked in starters:
- Who can influence refs at the top level the best (or learn to, like McCaw)
- Are any of them credible 4 year captains?
then I'd be looking at media skills, diversity, entertainment, etc.
Very few get past step 1. How many 4 year candidates are there? I suspect SBar, Rieko, Jordie and then you're scratching around.
Papali'i, Taukei'aho, De Groot and Lomax are probably the others you'd bank on being there in 2023. Papali'i is a pretty feasible option in my mind.
Dalton - only if Razor rates his game.
Sami - dropped off a cliff, and hookers are often replaced
Props aren't great captaincy choices and again often get replaced.
