All Blacks 2024

canefan

@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

I believe one of @george33 takes was that Dalton would be AB captain.

Chris said similar but then took it back later

They both said the Robertson met with Papali'i in April last year. A couple of weeks after he got the job

If that was the case, by extension I expect DP would be a lock for one of the lose forward starting places

Chris

@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

I believe one of @george33 takes was that Dalton would be AB captain.

Chris said similar but then took it back later

They both said the Robertson met with Papali'i in April last year. A couple of weeks after he got the job

Yeah he did but as I said I wasn’t sure what for.
George mentioned it was for Captaincy

nzzp

Interesting there have been no leaks. Sam Cane was clearly anointed - who Razor picks is a genuine mystery!

mariner4life

@BorderJB said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

Could we see Jordie Barrett as captain??? He's likely to be the 12 going forward under Razor, plays 80mins, will go through to 2027, he's been captain for the Canes more often even with others in there this year.

No. Fuck no.

Dumb as a box of rocks. Big game bottler.

No.

BorderJB

@mariner4life Haha all good, has been used more often as Cap though. Has a bit of rugby intelligence doesn't he??

Tim

@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

de Groot
Tu'ungufasi
Lomax
Newell
Numia/Williams
Taylor
Taukei'aho
Aumua
S Barrett
Tuipulotu
Vaai
Papalii
Savea
Finau
Sotutu
Ioane
~~Jacobson~~
~~Perenara~~
Christie
Ratima
McKenzie
Perofeta
B Barrett
J Barrett
R Ioane
Proctor
Lienert-Brown
Clarke
Telea
Reece
~~Narawa~~
Love

MN5

@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@BorderJB said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

Could we see Jordie Barrett as captain??? He's likely to be the 12 going forward under Razor, plays 80mins, will go through to 2027, he's been captain for the Canes more often even with others in there this year.

No. Fuck no.

Dumb as a box of rocks. Big game bottler.

No.

So it would be just like when Sam Cane was captain then ?

ruggabee

@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

I believe one of @george33 takes was that Dalton would be AB captain.

Chris said similar but then took it back later

They both said the Robertson met with Papali'i in April last year. A couple of weeks after he got the job

If that was the case, by extension I expect DP would be a lock for one of the lose forward starting places

I'm starting to wonder if

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

Dalton - only if Razor rates his game.

think it was 2022 when Dalton looked for all money future AB captain, his leadership in the blues was evident, more so when he wasnt there.

But the argument is less strong now, although I expect he would certainly grow into it.

There was an article where Dalton attributed a lot of his growth and development as a leader that year to Schmidt, who was an assistant in 2022.

ruggabee

@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@BorderJB said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

Could we see Jordie Barrett as captain??? He's likely to be the 12 going forward under Razor, plays 80mins, will go through to 2027, he's been captain for the Canes more often even with others in there this year.

No. Fuck no.

Dumb as a box of rocks. Big game bottler.

Nah this perception of him is unfair, he made those blunders as Hansen decided it would be a good idea to throw an underdeveloped 196cm tall 19 year old outside back into the test arena before he'd even had time to grow into his body and understand his own strengths.

He was 20 at the 2019 World Cup when he famously offloaded into Ta'avao's forehead to sew the game up for the poms, look why single out Jordie, as Ardie's woeful reading of the game and decision making as captain for the All Blacks and Canes would have to rule him out wouldn't it?

Canes4life

@ruggabee Ardie improved immensely last year as captain. I remember the majority on here wanted him to stay captain but obviously Cane took over again.

In fact, did Ardie lose a game as captain last year? His winning percentage was way higher than Canes wasn’t it?

Canes4life

@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

de Groot
Tu'ungufasi
Lomax
Newell
Numia/Williams
Taylor
Taukei'aho
Aumua
S Barrett
Tuipulotu
Vaai
Papalii
Savea
Finau
Sotutu
Ioane
~~Jacobson~~
~~Perenara~~
Christie
Ratima
McKenzie
Perofeta
B Barrett
J Barrett
R Ioane
Proctor
Lienert-Brown
Clarke
Telea
Reece
~~Narawa~~
Love

You’d pick Christie over Perenara. LOL

Tim

@Canes4life I really don't want either of them in the ABs. If Roigard was available then I definitely wouldn't have either. Thought Perenara's passing and control were rather poor tonight. Back to the bad old days for him.

Canes4life

@Tim fair, I felt both halves were messy tonight, but I felt that was the nature of the game with both teams going so hard at the breakdown. Perenara has shown awesome form this year that will get him selected again. Roigard aside, he’s defs one of the top three halfbacks in the country atm IMO.

Tim

Let's talk exits.

A frequently expressed sentiment on the forum is that posters would love to see an another option, than the 10, with a big boot who can reliably clear long and deep from the 22. I certainly feel that way.

Who are the best options in the country to fill that role? Who are the best backs at clearing in each position?

9 Roigard
10 McKenzie
11 Stevenson
12 J Barrett
13 ?
14 Jordan
15 Sullivan

Of those, Roigard, Jordan, and Sullivan are injured, McKenzie's distance and form are well down this year, and Stevenson is very out of form and is kicking less. (Parsons talked mid-week about how the Chiefs are kicking a lot less this season, and it seems they are not kicking very well when they choose to.) Jordie Barrett seems to seldom kick from the back now.

So what options does that leave?

Tim

Havili and Clarke can both kick the ball pretty far. Havili doesn't look like playing much, and is prone to being charged down. Clarke doesn't kick much.

antipodean

@Tim ENS has a big left foot.

Tim

@antipodean Good call.

Mr Fish

@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@ruggabee Ardie improved immensely last year as captain. I remember the majority on here wanted him to stay captain but obviously Cane took over again.

In fact, did Ardie lose a game as captain last year? His winning percentage was way higher than Canes wasn’t it?

I mean, Savea's win percentage was higher, but that's hardly a fair measure. Cane captained in all five of the All Blacks' tough Tests (SA 1, SA 2, France, Ireland, SA 3) and they won two and lost three. Savea wasn't asked to be captain in any of the tough games.

Victor Meldrew

@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

@Tim ENS has a big left foot.

Didn't Narawa also produce some pretty impressive touch-finders in today's game?

Canes4life

@Victor-Meldrew same with Proctor.

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