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  • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

    why would we think having two strong options for a position means we have to move people around, get them working together and pushing each other, give razor options, we might even have the depth to chose horses for courses...game plans specific to our Opposition

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    @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    why would we think having two strong options for a position means we have to move people around, get them working together and pushing each other, give razor options, we might even have the depth to chose horses for courses...game plans specific to our Opposition

    Just move one to fullback. The reverse of what hasn't worked before is sure to be a winning strategy.

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    • antipodeanA antipodean

      @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

      why would we think having two strong options for a position means we have to move people around, get them working together and pushing each other, give razor options, we might even have the depth to chose horses for courses...game plans specific to our Opposition

      Just move one to fullback. The reverse of what hasn't worked before is sure to be a winning strategy.

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      @antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

      @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

      why would we think having two strong options for a position means we have to move people around, get them working together and pushing each other, give razor options, we might even have the depth to chose horses for courses...game plans specific to our Opposition

      Just move one to fullback. The reverse of what hasn't worked before is sure to be a winning strategy.

      Jordie Barrett at fullback? Like that would ever happen.

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      • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

        @Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

        @Tim Confirms Akira is working hard. With the added bonus of more power.

        Do you mean more power than others or playing more powerfully than before> as he played with some power before!

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        @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

        @Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

        @Tim Confirms Akira is working hard. With the added bonus of more power.

        Do you mean more power than others or playing more powerfully than before> as he played with some power before!

        More power than others.

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          Finau is the big hit merchant, but I am not sure he is as strong as Akira in close quarters (total guess)

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            Just pick the entire Canes backrow including bench i won't complain Flanders Lakai Iose,Savea Kirifi off the pine yeah boyyy- size power dynamism agility speed...what more could you possibly ask for??

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              It would be a disaster if he appointed Scott Barrett as captain. Apart from the fact it would make Robertson look like he's unable to look outside his Crusader mates - its already bad enough with Richie and Sam. Scott would almost be the final straw for me.

              But he has a much better candidate who seems to tick all the boxes.

              https://www.msn.com/en-nz/sports/other/he-s-arguably-the-best-player-in-the-world-perenara-casts-vote-for-next-all-blacks-captain/ar-BB1nIhUG?ocid=msedgntp&pc=CNNDDB&cvid=72a3094cec8b4a0e967cfcbc1374f843&ei=24

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                • R ruggabee

                  Just pick the entire Canes backrow including bench i won't complain Flanders Lakai Iose,Savea Kirifi off the pine yeah boyyy- size power dynamism agility speed...what more could you possibly ask for??

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                  @ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                  Just pick the entire Canes backrow including bench i won't complain Flanders Lakai Iose,Savea Kirifi off the pine yeah boyyy- size power dynamism agility speed...what more could you possibly ask for??

                  Ethan Blackadder

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                  • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                    @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                    why would we think having two strong options for a position means we have to move people around, get them working together and pushing each other, give razor options, we might even have the depth to chose horses for courses...game plans specific to our Opposition

                    dur, because they are both awesome and therefore we just have to pick both of them

                    we're having the same convo as the other day!

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                    @mariner4life

                    Proctor is a rookie. Very promising but a rookie nonetheless.

                    There are 15 test matches this year.

                    It doesn’t make sense that proctor plays all of those and he will get his chances if picked.

                    If required Reiko could move to the wing if they bring procter on.

                    The ABs have been at their best when we have got depth. Having 2 players that can play centre is a great thing for us. Procter has a lot to prove to become an international class centre

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                    • ChrisC Chris

                      @gt12 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                      @Chris-B

                      I'm sure I saw that Hansen will be in that mix. He feels like Razor's Smith to me so I imagine he gets a voice

                      They broke it up as follows as far as responsibility for selections are made, this according to an interview with Razor before SR.

                      Ryan tight 5
                      Razor LF's
                      Hansen HBs and First fives
                      Holland MF
                      McDonald outside backs

                      Overseen by Razor with Wayne Smiths in put.

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                      @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                      @gt12 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                      @Chris-B

                      I'm sure I saw that Hansen will be in that mix. He feels like Razor's Smith to me so I imagine he gets a voice

                      They broke it up as follows as far as responsibility for selections are made, this according to an interview with Razor before SR.

                      Ryan tight 5
                      Razor LF's
                      Hansen HBs and First fives
                      Holland MF
                      McDonald outside backs

                      Overseen by Razor with Wayne Smiths in put.

                      Genius. Just set up 2-3 sub-committees to co-ordinate selection and we'll be sweet.

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                      • ChrisC Chris

                        2024 All Blacks Management

                        Scott Robertson (Head Coach)

                        Jason Ryan (Assistant Coach - Forwards)

                        Leon MacDonald (Assistant Coach - Attack)

                        Scott Hansen (Assistant Coach - Defence)

                        Jason Holland (Assistant Coach - Backs)

                        Tamati Ellison (Contact Skills Coach)

                        Wayne Smith (Performance Coach)

                        Jamie Hamilton (Head Performance Analyst)

                        Al Beeton (Assistant Performance Analyst)

                        Jon Gardner (Assistant Performance Analyst)

                        Ceri Evans (Head of Leadership + Mental Performance)

                        Nic Gill (Head of Performance)

                        Adam Hay (Performance Scientist)

                        Martin Swan (Doctor)

                        Karl McDonald (Lead Physiotherapist)

                        Teresa Te Tamaki (Assistant Physiotherapist)

                        Kat Darry (Dietician)

                        Paul McLaughlan (Team Manager)

                        Megan Compain (Commercial Manager)

                        James Iversen (Logistics Manager)

                        Matt Manukia (Communications Manager)

                        Paula Powlesland (Business Manager)

                        Bianca Thiel (Operations Manager)

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                        Victor Meldrew
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                        @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                        2024 All Blacks Management

                        Scott Robertson (Head Coach)

                        Jason Ryan (Assistant Coach - Forwards)

                        Leon MacDonald (Assistant Coach - Attack)

                        Scott Hansen (Assistant Coach - Defence)

                        Jason Holland (Assistant Coach - Backs)

                        Tamati Ellison (Contact Skills Coach)

                        Wayne Smith (Performance Coach)

                        Jamie Hamilton (Head Performance Analyst)

                        Al Beeton (Assistant Performance Analyst)

                        Jon Gardner (Assistant Performance Analyst)

                        Ceri Evans (Head of Leadership + Mental Performance)

                        Nic Gill (Head of Performance)

                        Adam Hay (Performance Scientist)

                        Martin Swan (Doctor)

                        Karl McDonald (Lead Physiotherapist)

                        Teresa Te Tamaki (Assistant Physiotherapist)

                        Kat Darry (Dietician)

                        Paul McLaughlan (Team Manager)

                        Megan Compain (Commercial Manager)

                        James Iversen (Logistics Manager)

                        Matt Manukia (Communications Manager)

                        Paula Powlesland (Business Manager)

                        Bianca Thiel (Operations Manager)

                        Fuck me. More coaches and managers than a small country's rail network.

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                        • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                          @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                          @gt12 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                          @Chris-B

                          I'm sure I saw that Hansen will be in that mix. He feels like Razor's Smith to me so I imagine he gets a voice

                          They broke it up as follows as far as responsibility for selections are made, this according to an interview with Razor before SR.

                          Ryan tight 5
                          Razor LF's
                          Hansen HBs and First fives
                          Holland MF
                          McDonald outside backs

                          Overseen by Razor with Wayne Smiths in put.

                          Genius. Just set up 2-3 sub-committees to co-ordinate selection and we'll be sweet.

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                          @Victor-Meldrew

                          Or they are bringing in specialisation to the selection process enabling closer scrutiny to pick their best players that fit into the wider gameplan.

                          It’s a different approach which may work better.

                          Having said that, I’m not sure how hard it is to pick a squad of 32 out of 170 odd players.

                          Most posters on here would be able to get 90% of the squad correct anyway.

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                          • BonesB Bones

                            Be good to have the captain fuck off shortly after getting used to his role.

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                            @Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                            Be good to have the captain fuck off shortly after getting used to his role.

                            But he wouldn't be going when he is doing his role. Basiacally he redundant as captain during super anyway because team isn't playing. I can't really recall any AB captain having anytjing to do with his role at that time.
                            I have no opinion on whether he should be captain, but taking time off during super ,I wouldn't think would or should be a big factor.

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                              @Victor-Meldrew

                              Or they are bringing in specialisation to the selection process enabling closer scrutiny to pick their best players that fit into the wider gameplan.

                              It’s a different approach which may work better.

                              Having said that, I’m not sure how hard it is to pick a squad of 32 out of 170 odd players.

                              Most posters on here would be able to get 90% of the squad correct anyway.

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                              Victor Meldrew
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                              @DaGrubster
                              Was slightly taking the piss, but it seems way more convoluted than it need be.

                              Plenty of scapegoats if things go tits up though.

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                              • Dan54D Dan54

                                @Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                Be good to have the captain fuck off shortly after getting used to his role.

                                But he wouldn't be going when he is doing his role. Basiacally he redundant as captain during super anyway because team isn't playing. I can't really recall any AB captain having anytjing to do with his role at that time.
                                I have no opinion on whether he should be captain, but taking time off during super ,I wouldn't think would or should be a big factor.

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                                @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                @Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                Be good to have the captain fuck off shortly after getting used to his role.

                                But he wouldn't be going when he is doing his role. Basiacally he redundant as captain during super anyway because team isn't playing. I can't really recall any AB captain having anytjing to do with his role at that time.
                                I have no opinion on whether he should be captain, but taking time off during super ,I wouldn't think would or should be a big factor.

                                The powers that be know best as always Dan

                                He would be fucking off right in the middle of his role, don't be ridiculous

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                                • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                                  @DaGrubster
                                  Was slightly taking the piss, but it seems way more convoluted than it need be.

                                  Plenty of scapegoats if things go tits up though.

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                                  @Victor-Meldrew

                                  Ah fair enough,

                                  I like the idea of it. As long as there is crystal clear clarity on the requirements of specific positions based on the gameplan.

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                                  • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                                    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                    @gt12 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                    @Chris-B

                                    I'm sure I saw that Hansen will be in that mix. He feels like Razor's Smith to me so I imagine he gets a voice

                                    They broke it up as follows as far as responsibility for selections are made, this according to an interview with Razor before SR.

                                    Ryan tight 5
                                    Razor LF's
                                    Hansen HBs and First fives
                                    Holland MF
                                    McDonald outside backs

                                    Overseen by Razor with Wayne Smiths in put.

                                    Genius. Just set up 2-3 sub-committees to co-ordinate selection and we'll be sweet.

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                                    Windows97
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                                    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                    @gt12 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                    @Chris-B

                                    I'm sure I saw that Hansen will be in that mix. He feels like Razor's Smith to me so I imagine he gets a voice

                                    They broke it up as follows as far as responsibility for selections are made, this according to an interview with Razor before SR.

                                    Ryan tight 5
                                    Razor LF's
                                    Hansen HBs and First fives
                                    Holland MF
                                    McDonald outside backs

                                    Overseen by Razor with Wayne Smiths in put.

                                    Genius. Just set up 2-3 sub-committees to co-ordinate selection and we'll be sweet.

                                    The funny bit is that it's been stated that Razor will be the one to make the decision if there are disagreements.

                                    Exactly how are there going to be disagreements here? Is Ryan going to disagree with himself as to who the tight 5 are? An enormus shouting match between Holland and McDonald as to whether JB is a 2nd 5 or a fullback? A stoush between Ryan and Razor if SB is a lock or a 6?

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                                    • R ruggabee

                                      Just pick the entire Canes backrow including bench i won't complain Flanders Lakai Iose,Savea Kirifi off the pine yeah boyyy- size power dynamism agility speed...what more could you possibly ask for??

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                                      @ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                      Just pick the entire Canes backrow including bench i won't complain Flanders Lakai Iose,Savea Kirifi off the pine yeah boyyy- size power dynamism agility speed...what more could you possibly ask for??

                                      Brayden Iose

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                                      • BonesB Bones

                                        @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                        @Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                        Be good to have the captain fuck off shortly after getting used to his role.

                                        But he wouldn't be going when he is doing his role. Basiacally he redundant as captain during super anyway because team isn't playing. I can't really recall any AB captain having anytjing to do with his role at that time.
                                        I have no opinion on whether he should be captain, but taking time off during super ,I wouldn't think would or should be a big factor.

                                        The powers that be know best as always Dan

                                        He would be fucking off right in the middle of his role, don't be ridiculous

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                                        @Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                        @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                        @Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                        Be good to have the captain fuck off shortly after getting used to his role.

                                        But he wouldn't be going when he is doing his role. Basiacally he redundant as captain during super anyway because team isn't playing. I can't really recall any AB captain having anytjing to do with his role at that time.
                                        I have no opinion on whether he should be captain, but taking time off during super ,I wouldn't think would or should be a big factor.

                                        The powers that be know best as always Dan

                                        He would be fucking off right in the middle of his role, don't be ridiculous

                                        Well we got no AB captain now and I not sure it hurts. Mind you , I would be quite happy if they just named captain year by year, so noone feels they got mortgage on it or jersy. But that me probably just showing age?

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                                        • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                                          @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                          2024 All Blacks Management

                                          Scott Robertson (Head Coach)

                                          Jason Ryan (Assistant Coach - Forwards)

                                          Leon MacDonald (Assistant Coach - Attack)

                                          Scott Hansen (Assistant Coach - Defence)

                                          Jason Holland (Assistant Coach - Backs)

                                          Tamati Ellison (Contact Skills Coach)

                                          Wayne Smith (Performance Coach)

                                          Jamie Hamilton (Head Performance Analyst)

                                          Al Beeton (Assistant Performance Analyst)

                                          Jon Gardner (Assistant Performance Analyst)

                                          Ceri Evans (Head of Leadership + Mental Performance)

                                          Nic Gill (Head of Performance)

                                          Adam Hay (Performance Scientist)

                                          Martin Swan (Doctor)

                                          Karl McDonald (Lead Physiotherapist)

                                          Teresa Te Tamaki (Assistant Physiotherapist)

                                          Kat Darry (Dietician)

                                          Paul McLaughlan (Team Manager)

                                          Megan Compain (Commercial Manager)

                                          James Iversen (Logistics Manager)

                                          Matt Manukia (Communications Manager)

                                          Paula Powlesland (Business Manager)

                                          Bianca Thiel (Operations Manager)

                                          Fuck me. More coaches and managers than a small country's rail network.

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                                          @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                          Matt Manukia (Communications Manager)

                                          The media comms should improve from that shambles of a lady that was around during Fozzie's tenure.

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