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    Richard Knowler runs his eye over the likely AB squad based on form

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350307467/all-blacks-barometer-whos-contention-ahead-tests-against-england

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      I reckon Love could cover wing and make a decent fist of it. Very Smith/Jane like.

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      • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

        Richard Knowler runs his eye over the likely AB squad based on form

        https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350307467/all-blacks-barometer-whos-contention-ahead-tests-against-england

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        @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

        Richard Knowler runs his eye over the likely AB squad based on form

        https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350307467/all-blacks-barometer-whos-contention-ahead-tests-against-england
        Jimmy Tupou's presence among the AB contenders is a bit odd. There are many other locks to name ahead of him IMO.

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          The whole barometer system is a bit random. Players who have been injured for a couple of weeks are excluded, as are guys who are based overseas. It's fine if you're just talking about potential selections but everyone knows that Ardie Savea is going to be in the squad and that changes the make-up of the loose forwards. It also feels fairly reactive, which I suppose is necessary if you want to change the squad up every two weeks. Ultimately, 75 per cent of the squad could have been predicted at the start of the season by every Tom, Dick and Harry.

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            @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

            Richard Knowler runs his eye over the likely AB squad based on form

            https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350307467/all-blacks-barometer-whos-contention-ahead-tests-against-england
            Jimmy Tupou's presence among the AB contenders is a bit odd. There are many other locks to name ahead of him IMO.

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            @cgrant said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

            @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

            Richard Knowler runs his eye over the likely AB squad based on form

            https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350307467/all-blacks-barometer-whos-contention-ahead-tests-against-england
            Jimmy Tupou's presence among the AB contenders is a bit odd. There are many other locks to name ahead of him IMO.

            Downvote.

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            • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

              Richard Knowler runs his eye over the likely AB squad based on form

              https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350307467/all-blacks-barometer-whos-contention-ahead-tests-against-england

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              @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

              Richard Knowler runs his eye over the likely AB squad based on form

              https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350307467/all-blacks-barometer-whos-contention-ahead-tests-against-england

              Not picking Lomax to start. Fuck off!

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                My personal 'barometer' (with the numbers actually adding up correctly, unlike Richard Knowler's random percentages):

                Hookers
                Codie Taylor - 100%
                Samisoni Taukei'aho - 100%
                Asafo Aumua - 100%

                Props
                Ethan de Groot - 100%
                Tyrel Lomax - 100%
                Fletcher Newell - 100%
                Tamaiti Williams - 80%
                Ofa Tu'ungafasi - 60%
                Xaver Numia - 50%
                George Bower - 50%
                George Dyer - 10%

                Locks
                Scott Barrett - 100%
                Tupou Vaa'i - 100%
                Quinten Strange - 80%
                Sam Darry - 50%
                Naitoa Ah Kuoi - 30%
                Isaia Walker-Leawere - 20%
                Jamie Hannah - 20%

                Loose forwards
                Ardie Savea - 100%
                Dalton Papali'i - 100%
                Samipeni Finau - 70%
                Ethan Blackadder - 60%
                Hoskins Sotutu - 50%
                Christian Lio-Willie - 50%
                Peter Lakai - 50%
                Luke Jacobson - 40%
                Brayden Iose - 30%

                Halfbacks
                Finlay Christie - 80%
                TJ Perenara - 80%
                Cortez Ratima - 50%
                Taufa Funaki - 40%
                Folau Fakatava - 30%
                Noah Hotham - 20%

                First fives
                Damian McKenzie - 100%
                Beauden Barrett - 100%
                Harry Plummer - 30%
                Cam Millar - 10%

                Midfield
                Jordie Barrett - 100%
                Anton Lienert-Brown - 100%
                Rieko Ioane - 100%
                Billy Proctor - 70%
                David Havili - 15%
                Quinn Tupaea - 10%
                Rameka Poihipi - 5%

                Outside backs
                Mark Tele'a - 100%
                Sevu Reece - 100%
                Ruben Love - 100%
                Caleb Clarke - 80%
                Emoni Narawa - 60%
                Etene Nanai-Seturo - 20%

                Note: I've assumed Patrick Tuipulotu is unavailable but that Xavier Numia is fit for the series.

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                  All Blacks add Corey Flynn and David Hill to coaching staff
                  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350308970/all-blacks-add-corey-flynn-and-david-hill-coaching-staff

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                  • BovidaeB Bovidae

                    I read that the squad announcement will be in Chch. Convenience or some other reason?

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                    @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                    I read that the squad announcement will be in Chch. Convenience or some other reason?

                    Isn't it going to be from Razor's club Sumner? Think I heard that at some stage on Breakdown. No probs it got to be done somewhere.

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                      All Blacks add Corey Flynn and David Hill to coaching staff
                      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350308970/all-blacks-add-corey-flynn-and-david-hill-coaching-staff

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                      @Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                      All Blacks add Corey Flynn and David Hill to coaching staff

                      We're gonna need a bigger bus.

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                      • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                        Richard Knowler runs his eye over the likely AB squad based on form

                        https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350307467/all-blacks-barometer-whos-contention-ahead-tests-against-england

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                        @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                        Richard Knowler runs his eye over the likely AB squad based on form

                        https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350307467/all-blacks-barometer-whos-contention-ahead-tests-against-england

                        If that's based on form, then I'm surprised Funaki isn't in the no.9 mix.

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                        • M Mr Fish

                          My personal 'barometer' (with the numbers actually adding up correctly, unlike Richard Knowler's random percentages):

                          Hookers
                          Codie Taylor - 100%
                          Samisoni Taukei'aho - 100%
                          Asafo Aumua - 100%

                          Props
                          Ethan de Groot - 100%
                          Tyrel Lomax - 100%
                          Fletcher Newell - 100%
                          Tamaiti Williams - 80%
                          Ofa Tu'ungafasi - 60%
                          Xaver Numia - 50%
                          George Bower - 50%
                          George Dyer - 10%

                          Locks
                          Scott Barrett - 100%
                          Tupou Vaa'i - 100%
                          Quinten Strange - 80%
                          Sam Darry - 50%
                          Naitoa Ah Kuoi - 30%
                          Isaia Walker-Leawere - 20%
                          Jamie Hannah - 20%

                          Loose forwards
                          Ardie Savea - 100%
                          Dalton Papali'i - 100%
                          Samipeni Finau - 70%
                          Ethan Blackadder - 60%
                          Hoskins Sotutu - 50%
                          Christian Lio-Willie - 50%
                          Peter Lakai - 50%
                          Luke Jacobson - 40%
                          Brayden Iose - 30%

                          Halfbacks
                          Finlay Christie - 80%
                          TJ Perenara - 80%
                          Cortez Ratima - 50%
                          Taufa Funaki - 40%
                          Folau Fakatava - 30%
                          Noah Hotham - 20%

                          First fives
                          Damian McKenzie - 100%
                          Beauden Barrett - 100%
                          Harry Plummer - 30%
                          Cam Millar - 10%

                          Midfield
                          Jordie Barrett - 100%
                          Anton Lienert-Brown - 100%
                          Rieko Ioane - 100%
                          Billy Proctor - 70%
                          David Havili - 15%
                          Quinn Tupaea - 10%
                          Rameka Poihipi - 5%

                          Outside backs
                          Mark Tele'a - 100%
                          Sevu Reece - 100%
                          Ruben Love - 100%
                          Caleb Clarke - 80%
                          Emoni Narawa - 60%
                          Etene Nanai-Seturo - 20%

                          Note: I've assumed Patrick Tuipulotu is unavailable but that Xavier Numia is fit for the series.

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                          @Mr-Fish

                          Did you forget Sotutu or are you giving him 0%?

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                            @Mr-Fish

                            Did you forget Sotutu or are you giving him 0%?

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                            @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                            @Mr-Fish

                            Did you forget Sotutu or are you giving him 0%?

                            Whoops - forgot him. I think it's probably 50/50 whether he gets the call up. On the one hand, he's in career-best form. On the other hand, whenever he's been in career-best form in the past he's not transferred that to Test rugby and the selectors never trusted him against the bigger teams, so not sure what exactly has changed.

                            Dropped Blackadder, Lio-Willie, Lakai, Jacobson and Iose all down 10% to accommodate.

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                              The whole barometer system is a bit random. Players who have been injured for a couple of weeks are excluded, as are guys who are based overseas. It's fine if you're just talking about potential selections but everyone knows that Ardie Savea is going to be in the squad and that changes the make-up of the loose forwards. It also feels fairly reactive, which I suppose is necessary if you want to change the squad up every two weeks. Ultimately, 75 per cent of the squad could have been predicted at the start of the season by every Tom, Dick and Harry.

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                              @Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                              The whole barometer system is a bit random. Players who have been injured for a couple of weeks are excluded, as are guys who are based overseas. It's fine if you're just talking about potential selections but everyone knows that Ardie Savea is going to be in the squad and that changes the make-up of the loose forwards. It also feels fairly reactive, which I suppose is necessary if you want to change the squad up every two weeks. Ultimately, 75 per cent of the squad could have been predicted at the start of the season by every Tom, Dick and Harry.

                              Pretty sure Richard Knowler knows this, but he wants to get half a dozen barometer articles out of the Super season - and he won't get paid if he just recycles the same names from article 1. Excluding Ardie and Beauden allows him to chuck in an extra couple of randoms.

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                              • M Mr Fish

                                My personal 'barometer' (with the numbers actually adding up correctly, unlike Richard Knowler's random percentages):

                                Hookers
                                Codie Taylor - 100%
                                Samisoni Taukei'aho - 100%
                                Asafo Aumua - 100%

                                Props
                                Ethan de Groot - 100%
                                Tyrel Lomax - 100%
                                Fletcher Newell - 100%
                                Tamaiti Williams - 80%
                                Ofa Tu'ungafasi - 60%
                                Xaver Numia - 50%
                                George Bower - 50%
                                George Dyer - 10%

                                Locks
                                Scott Barrett - 100%
                                Tupou Vaa'i - 100%
                                Quinten Strange - 80%
                                Sam Darry - 50%
                                Naitoa Ah Kuoi - 30%
                                Isaia Walker-Leawere - 20%
                                Jamie Hannah - 20%

                                Loose forwards
                                Ardie Savea - 100%
                                Dalton Papali'i - 100%
                                Samipeni Finau - 70%
                                Ethan Blackadder - 60%
                                Hoskins Sotutu - 50%
                                Christian Lio-Willie - 50%
                                Peter Lakai - 50%
                                Luke Jacobson - 40%
                                Brayden Iose - 30%

                                Halfbacks
                                Finlay Christie - 80%
                                TJ Perenara - 80%
                                Cortez Ratima - 50%
                                Taufa Funaki - 40%
                                Folau Fakatava - 30%
                                Noah Hotham - 20%

                                First fives
                                Damian McKenzie - 100%
                                Beauden Barrett - 100%
                                Harry Plummer - 30%
                                Cam Millar - 10%

                                Midfield
                                Jordie Barrett - 100%
                                Anton Lienert-Brown - 100%
                                Rieko Ioane - 100%
                                Billy Proctor - 70%
                                David Havili - 15%
                                Quinn Tupaea - 10%
                                Rameka Poihipi - 5%

                                Outside backs
                                Mark Tele'a - 100%
                                Sevu Reece - 100%
                                Ruben Love - 100%
                                Caleb Clarke - 80%
                                Emoni Narawa - 60%
                                Etene Nanai-Seturo - 20%

                                Note: I've assumed Patrick Tuipulotu is unavailable but that Xavier Numia is fit for the series.

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                                @Mr-Fish you think fakatava has been so bad hes gone from semi incumbent to 30%?

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                                  @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                  @Mr-Fish

                                  Did you forget Sotutu or are you giving him 0%?

                                  Whoops - forgot him. I think it's probably 50/50 whether he gets the call up. On the one hand, he's in career-best form. On the other hand, whenever he's been in career-best form in the past he's not transferred that to Test rugby and the selectors never trusted him against the bigger teams, so not sure what exactly has changed.

                                  Dropped Blackadder, Lio-Willie, Lakai, Jacobson and Iose all down 10% to accommodate.

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                                  @Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                  whenever he's been in career-best form in the past he's not transferred that to Test rugby and the selectors never trusted him against the bigger teams, so not sure what exactly has changed

                                  this argument gets thrown around about a lot of players, and i think it is really unfair.

                                  A lot of the "fringe" guys over the past couple of years have only been given sporadic opportunities, often after playing nothing for an extended period of time. A guy like Sotutu might get a game here or there at best, because the last coaching group, rightly or wrongly, played the same guys when ever they are available (not unreasonable given tests are about winning, and there was often nice spacing of games). Vaai is in teh same boat, at best he's the fourth lock, so he doesn't exactly get a lot of shots at it.

                                  Only the very very best arrive in test rugby and instantly look to the manor born. Most need time to work it out. So many guys, especially in certain positions, just never get that time, and get written off for it.

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                                    Sotutu also has a the problem of being a specialist. He's one of the few loosies in NZ that genuinely only plays one position. He doesn't even get moved late in games

                                    That counts against him if he's not a starter. It's more disruptive to fit a guy like that on the bench.

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                                      @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                      @Mr-Fish

                                      Did you forget Sotutu or are you giving him 0%?

                                      Whoops - forgot him. I think it's probably 50/50 whether he gets the call up. On the one hand, he's in career-best form. On the other hand, whenever he's been in career-best form in the past he's not transferred that to Test rugby and the selectors never trusted him against the bigger teams, so not sure what exactly has changed.

                                      Dropped Blackadder, Lio-Willie, Lakai, Jacobson and Iose all down 10% to accommodate.

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                                      @Mr-Fish Lakai at 10%, you're kidding right. He's well in the frame.

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                                        @Mr-Fish Lakai at 10%, you're kidding right. He's well in the frame.

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                                        @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                        @Mr-Fish Lakai at 10%, you're kidding right. He's well in the frame.

                                        I have him at 50%?

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                                          @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                          @Mr-Fish Lakai at 10%, you're kidding right. He's well in the frame.

                                          I have him at 50%?

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                                          @Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                          @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                          @Mr-Fish Lakai at 10%, you're kidding right. He's well in the frame.

                                          I have him at 50%?

                                          dude, it's caners, anything less than 300% is a mortal insult that can only be rectified with a duel

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