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    To put it another way, the only difference in World Cup final stats between me and Shannon Frizzell is a single tackle. I'm doing okay

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    • antipodeanA antipodean

      @Canes4life I'm not suggesting Lio-Willie should bee in the AB squad, merely he was easily thier best, with Christie second. Christie is too limited IMO unless the coaches want a terrier on the field.

      If I was picking, Lakai would easily get in the squad, as would Finau. Just depends on how many loose forwards they want. Two dedicated 8s, two 7s, a six and a 6/8 ?

      Ardie Savea - 100%
      Hoskins Sotutu - 100%
      Dalton Papali'i - 100%
      Peter Lakai - 100%
      Samipeni Finau - 100%
      Ethan Blackadder - 100% (if fit)
      Luke Jacobson - 40%
      Christian Lio-Willie - 10%

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      @antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

      @Canes4life I'm not suggesting Lio-Willie should bee in the AB squad, merely he was easily thier best, with Christie second. Christie is too limited IMO unless the coaches want a terrier on the field.

      If I was picking, Lakai would easily get in the squad, as would Finau. Just depends on how many loose forwards they want. Two dedicated 8s, two 7s, a six and a 6/8 ?

      Ardie Savea - 100%
      Hoskins Sotutu - 100%
      Dalton Papali'i - 100%
      Peter Lakai - 100%
      Samipeni Finau - 100%
      Ethan Blackadder - 100% (if fit)
      Luke Jacobson - 40%
      Christian Lio-Willie - 10%

      I agree, Lio-Willie was the Crusader's best loose forward this year and will be in the frame in the future.

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      • G george33

        @antipodean you missed 1

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        @george33 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

        @antipodean you missed 1

        Harmon? I'd assumed both and he Akira won't be selected as leaving..

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        • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

          @SouthernMann said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

          @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

          @SouthernMann said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

          Shows the benefit of being in a winning team eh

          bro didn't Frizzell the lessor get the 6 jersey from your bench?

          Was an incumbent already though. He did come good at the World Cup too

          Pretty sure Frizell made the ABs from the Highlanders bench in first year - i.e. before he was an incumbent.

          Not sure getting carded early in the World Cup Final is 'coming good'

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          @KiwiMurph He did, he got picked after about his 6th game for the Highlanders.

          From memory, he scored 3 tries at Eden Park against a God awful Blues team which propelled him to higher honours.

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          • M Mr Fish

            My personal 'barometer' (with the numbers actually adding up correctly, unlike Richard Knowler's random percentages):

            Hookers
            Codie Taylor - 100%
            Samisoni Taukei'aho - 100%
            Asafo Aumua - 100%

            Props
            Ethan de Groot - 100%
            Tyrel Lomax - 100%
            Fletcher Newell - 100%
            Tamaiti Williams - 80%
            Ofa Tu'ungafasi - 60%
            Xaver Numia - 50%
            George Bower - 50%
            George Dyer - 10%

            Locks
            Scott Barrett - 100%
            Tupou Vaa'i - 100%
            Quinten Strange - 80%
            Sam Darry - 50%
            Naitoa Ah Kuoi - 30%
            Isaia Walker-Leawere - 20%
            Jamie Hannah - 20%

            Loose forwards
            Ardie Savea - 100%
            Dalton Papali'i - 100%
            Samipeni Finau - 70%
            Ethan Blackadder - 60%
            Hoskins Sotutu - 50%
            Christian Lio-Willie - 50%
            Peter Lakai - 50%
            Luke Jacobson - 40%
            Brayden Iose - 30%

            Halfbacks
            Finlay Christie - 80%
            TJ Perenara - 80%
            Cortez Ratima - 50%
            Taufa Funaki - 40%
            Folau Fakatava - 30%
            Noah Hotham - 20%

            First fives
            Damian McKenzie - 100%
            Beauden Barrett - 100%
            Harry Plummer - 30%
            Cam Millar - 10%

            Midfield
            Jordie Barrett - 100%
            Anton Lienert-Brown - 100%
            Rieko Ioane - 100%
            Billy Proctor - 70%
            David Havili - 15%
            Quinn Tupaea - 10%
            Rameka Poihipi - 5%

            Outside backs
            Mark Tele'a - 100%
            Sevu Reece - 100%
            Ruben Love - 100%
            Caleb Clarke - 80%
            Emoni Narawa - 60%
            Etene Nanai-Seturo - 20%

            Note: I've assumed Patrick Tuipulotu is unavailable but that Xavier Numia is fit for the series.

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            @Mr-Fish A good effort. That looks about right.

            I think Lakai will make it. I'm not sure Strange is a Test quality lock.

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            • sparkyS sparky

              @Mr-Fish A good effort. That looks about right.

              I think Lakai will make it. I'm not sure Strange is a Test quality lock.

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              #2871

              @sparky said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

              I'm not sure Strange is a Test quality lock.

              Can confirm for you that he definitely isn’t.

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              • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                @Mr-Fish I'd switch Lio-Willie and Lakai around. The only reason Lio-Willie is really in the conversation is because he's a Crusader. Realistically Jacobsen, Lakai and Iose should have more of a chance of making it on form, especially now Ioane is leaving.

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                @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                Realistically Jacobsen, Lakai and Iose should have more of a chance of making it on form, especially now Ioane is leaving.

                Dont be silly! Tom Christie is ahead of all of them! He’s a Crusader 7!

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                  #2873

                  Where is Corey Kellow rated then? Must be a chance?

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                  • A ARHS

                    Where is Corey Kellow rated then? Must be a chance?

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                    @ARHS said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                    Where is Corey Kellow rated then? Must be a chance?

                    AB XV - already better than Grace.

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                    • DuluthD Duluth

                      Sotutu also has a the problem of being a specialist. He's one of the few loosies in NZ that genuinely only plays one position. He doesn't even get moved late in games

                      That counts against him if he's not a starter. It's more disruptive to fit a guy like that on the bench.

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                      @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                      Sotutu also has a the problem of being a specialist.

                      Especially when the player he is competing with is the only certainty to start in the loose forward trio.

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                      • SouthernMannS SouthernMann

                        @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                        @SouthernMann said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                        Shows the benefit of being in a winning team eh

                        bro didn't Frizzell the lessor get the 6 jersey from your bench?

                        Was an incumbent already though. He did come good at the World Cup too

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                        #2876

                        @SouthernMann said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                        @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                        @SouthernMann said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                        Shows the benefit of being in a winning team eh

                        bro didn't Frizzell the lessor get the 6 jersey from your bench?

                        Was an incumbent already though. He did come good at the World Cup too

                        What fucking alternate universe world cup did you watch?

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                        • antipodeanA antipodean

                          @ARHS said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                          Where is Corey Kellow rated then? Must be a chance?

                          AB XV - already better than Grace.

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                          @antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                          @ARHS said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                          Where is Corey Kellow rated then? Must be a chance?

                          AB XV - already better than Grace.

                          I think Grace will be in the All Blacks.

                          That’s not to say that I would pick him but I think two thirds of their best loose trio will make it, and it won’t include the best of the three.

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                            #2878

                            https://www.planetrugby.com/news/scott-robertson-addresses-concerns-around-crusaders-bias-ahead-of-first-all-blacks-squad-announcement

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                              Duluth
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                              #2879

                              https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350309174/which-players-will-all-blacks-selectors-scrutinise-most-super-rugby-pacific-semis

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                              • DuluthD Duluth

                                https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350309174/which-players-will-all-blacks-selectors-scrutinise-most-super-rugby-pacific-semis

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                                #2880

                                @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350309174/which-players-will-all-blacks-selectors-scrutinise-most-super-rugby-pacific-semis

                                My uncle overheard a convo Razor was having at a local Sumner cafe yesterday when he was ordering his coffee and he was talking about the Canes 7, 8 and 15 which we can all assume is Lakai, Iose and Love. My assumption is that he will be watching those guys with great intent on Saturday.

                                I was down in Chch for work a month ago and got to meet Razor in person. What a guy he is. We went for a walk one morning and he came flying by on his bike, gave my uncle a high five almost taking his arm off and had a quick chat, which he almost does with my uncle nearly every morning. My uncle isn't someone that bothers Razor too much but he gave me that feedback yesterday being a Canes supporter. Interesting indeed. He probably has three Chiefs players he'll be looking at closely on Saturday aswell.

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                                  #2881

                                  Not too much info in this, but mentions that the prop mix and loose forward selection have had plenty of debate. Also name drops Vaa'i and Aumua as players who have learnt from Retallick and Coles, respectively, and taken on more responsibility.

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                                  • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                                    @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350309174/which-players-will-all-blacks-selectors-scrutinise-most-super-rugby-pacific-semis

                                    My uncle overheard a convo Razor was having at a local Sumner cafe yesterday when he was ordering his coffee and he was talking about the Canes 7, 8 and 15 which we can all assume is Lakai, Iose and Love. My assumption is that he will be watching those guys with great intent on Saturday.

                                    I was down in Chch for work a month ago and got to meet Razor in person. What a guy he is. We went for a walk one morning and he came flying by on his bike, gave my uncle a high five almost taking his arm off and had a quick chat, which he almost does with my uncle nearly every morning. My uncle isn't someone that bothers Razor too much but he gave me that feedback yesterday being a Canes supporter. Interesting indeed. He probably has three Chiefs players he'll be looking at closely on Saturday aswell.

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                                    @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                    @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350309174/which-players-will-all-blacks-selectors-scrutinise-most-super-rugby-pacific-semis

                                    My uncle overheard a convo Razor was having at a local Sumner cafe yesterday when he was ordering his coffee and he was talking about the Canes 7, 8 and 15 which we can all assume is Lakai, Iose and Love. My assumption is that he will be watching those guys with great intent on Saturday.

                                    I was down in Chch for work a month ago and got to meet Razor in person. What a guy he is. We went for a walk one morning and he came flying by on his bike, gave my uncle a high five almost taking his arm off and had a quick chat, which he almost does with my uncle nearly every morning. My uncle isn't someone that bothers Razor too much but he gave me that feedback yesterday being a Canes supporter. Interesting indeed. He probably has three Chiefs players he'll be looking at closely on Saturday aswell.

                                    Was it your uncle or Razor who didn't know the names of the Hurricanes players?

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                                    • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                                      @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350309174/which-players-will-all-blacks-selectors-scrutinise-most-super-rugby-pacific-semis

                                      My uncle overheard a convo Razor was having at a local Sumner cafe yesterday when he was ordering his coffee and he was talking about the Canes 7, 8 and 15 which we can all assume is Lakai, Iose and Love. My assumption is that he will be watching those guys with great intent on Saturday.

                                      I was down in Chch for work a month ago and got to meet Razor in person. What a guy he is. We went for a walk one morning and he came flying by on his bike, gave my uncle a high five almost taking his arm off and had a quick chat, which he almost does with my uncle nearly every morning. My uncle isn't someone that bothers Razor too much but he gave me that feedback yesterday being a Canes supporter. Interesting indeed. He probably has three Chiefs players he'll be looking at closely on Saturday aswell.

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                                      @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                      @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350309174/which-players-will-all-blacks-selectors-scrutinise-most-super-rugby-pacific-semis

                                      My uncle overheard a convo Razor was having at a local Sumner cafe yesterday when he was ordering his coffee and he was talking about the Canes 7, 8 and 15 which we can all assume is Lakai, Iose and Love. My assumption is that he will be watching those guys with great intent on Saturday.

                                      I was down in Chch for work a month ago and got to meet Razor in person. What a guy he is. We went for a walk one morning and he came flying by on his bike, gave my uncle a high five almost taking his arm off and had a quick chat, which he almost does with my uncle nearly every morning. My uncle isn't someone that bothers Razor too much but he gave me that feedback yesterday being a Canes supporter. Interesting indeed. He probably has three Chiefs players he'll be looking at closely on Saturday aswell.

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                                      • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                        @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                        @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                        https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350309174/which-players-will-all-blacks-selectors-scrutinise-most-super-rugby-pacific-semis

                                        My uncle overheard a convo Razor was having at a local Sumner cafe yesterday when he was ordering his coffee and he was talking about the Canes 7, 8 and 15 which we can all assume is Lakai, Iose and Love. My assumption is that he will be watching those guys with great intent on Saturday.

                                        I was down in Chch for work a month ago and got to meet Razor in person. What a guy he is. We went for a walk one morning and he came flying by on his bike, gave my uncle a high five almost taking his arm off and had a quick chat, which he almost does with my uncle nearly every morning. My uncle isn't someone that bothers Razor too much but he gave me that feedback yesterday being a Canes supporter. Interesting indeed. He probably has three Chiefs players he'll be looking at closely on Saturday aswell.

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                                        @mariner4life the man obviously knows talent when he sees it.

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                                        • M Mr Fish

                                          @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                          @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                          https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350309174/which-players-will-all-blacks-selectors-scrutinise-most-super-rugby-pacific-semis

                                          My uncle overheard a convo Razor was having at a local Sumner cafe yesterday when he was ordering his coffee and he was talking about the Canes 7, 8 and 15 which we can all assume is Lakai, Iose and Love. My assumption is that he will be watching those guys with great intent on Saturday.

                                          I was down in Chch for work a month ago and got to meet Razor in person. What a guy he is. We went for a walk one morning and he came flying by on his bike, gave my uncle a high five almost taking his arm off and had a quick chat, which he almost does with my uncle nearly every morning. My uncle isn't someone that bothers Razor too much but he gave me that feedback yesterday being a Canes supporter. Interesting indeed. He probably has three Chiefs players he'll be looking at closely on Saturday aswell.

                                          Was it your uncle or Razor who didn't know the names of the Hurricanes players?

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                                          @Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                          @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                          @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                          https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350309174/which-players-will-all-blacks-selectors-scrutinise-most-super-rugby-pacific-semis

                                          My uncle overheard a convo Razor was having at a local Sumner cafe yesterday when he was ordering his coffee and he was talking about the Canes 7, 8 and 15 which we can all assume is Lakai, Iose and Love. My assumption is that he will be watching those guys with great intent on Saturday.

                                          I was down in Chch for work a month ago and got to meet Razor in person. What a guy he is. We went for a walk one morning and he came flying by on his bike, gave my uncle a high five almost taking his arm off and had a quick chat, which he almost does with my uncle nearly every morning. My uncle isn't someone that bothers Razor too much but he gave me that feedback yesterday being a Canes supporter. Interesting indeed. He probably has three Chiefs players he'll be looking at closely on Saturday aswell.

                                          Was it your uncle or Razor who didn't know the names of the Hurricanes players?

                                          My uncle who is one-eyed as you can get. 😄

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