All Blacks 2024
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Leon MacDonald confirmed on the Breakdown that it will be a 32 man squad with 18 forwards and 14 backs.
Any more info on the breakdown of the forwards? In a smaller squad there will be a squeeze on one of the positions
3 Hookers, 6 Props, 4 Locks, 6 Loosies = 19. One too many
I've seen a few in media suggest only 3 locks. But that would be one rolled ankle in warmup away from having Finau cover lock
5 loosies. Maybe? I think they'll want to look at more than that
5 Props might make the most sense? 2 LH, 2 TH & Ofa?
@Duluth highly likely that it will be 5 props. They can always bring someone in pretty quickly if needed. I think they'll go 6 loosies so they have 2 players covering each loose forward position.
I'm picking the below.
Forwards:
3 Hookers = C Taylor, A Aumua, R Riccitelli
5 Props = F Newell, E De Groot, T Williams, T Lomax, O Tu'ungafasi
4 Locks = S Barrett, T Vaa'i, S Darry, P Tuipolotu
6 Loose forwards = A Savea, H Sotutu, D Papali'i, S Finau, P Lakai, E BlackadderBacks:
3 Halfbacks = T Perenara, C Ratima, F Christie
2 First fives = D McKenzie, B Barrett
4 Centres = J Barrett, R Ioane, B Proctor, A Leinert Brown
5 Outside backs = C Clarke, M Telea, S Reece, E Narawa, R LoveInjured: W Jordan, S Taukei'aho, C Roigard, J Lord
Blues = 11
Chiefs = 6
Hurricanes = 8
Crusaders = 6
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
2020 Foster record 3-1-2, losses to AUS ARG
2021 12-3, losing to SAR FRA IREWe thought 21 was a disaster and it was. That's got to be the bar
2020 was the big problem for Fozzie.
He got off to a terrible start and was always behind the eight ball afterwards, especially given perceptions that he'd never been a good head coach and was a bit of a "jobs for the boys" appointment.
We have the exact opposite now. People's expectations are much higher as a result.
By comparison, if Razor doesn't win 4-0 vs Australia and Argentina, he'll struggle mightily to achieve my 10-4 benchmark.
Depends on the nature of the losses, but 10-4 would be a low bar for many people.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Depends on the nature of the losses, but 10-4 would be a low bar for many people.
To quote Marcellus Wallace: "You see, this profession is filled to the brim with unrealistic motherfuckers."
I guess everyone has their own expectations. I'm reading what Grubster is writing and thinking I'm on the same page.
One thing I haven't really taken into account is to what extent these other teams are rebuilding.
England for instance seem to have pretty much the same forward pack they used at the RWC, but the backs are markedly different. The couple of preview articles I've read suggest they're playing more expansively and the English have some optimism that they might catch us undercooked. Considering Razor's got two weeks to unfold his gameplan (and sprinkle his magic dust around) that wouldn't surprise me.
If we go down to the poms the sharks will be taking chunks out of the sufboard before he's paddled past the breakers.
Given I didn't watch the Six Nations - what should we expect from England? Is this basically the team they used - or did they have Farrell etc?
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Leon MacDonald confirmed on the Breakdown that it will be a 32 man squad with 18 forwards and 14 backs.
Any more info on the breakdown of the forwards? In a smaller squad there will be a squeeze on one of the positions
3 Hookers, 6 Props, 4 Locks, 6 Loosies = 19. One too many
I've seen a few in media suggest only 3 locks. But that would be one rolled ankle in warmup away from having Finau cover lock
5 loosies. Maybe? I think they'll want to look at more than that
5 Props might make the most sense? 2 LH, 2 TH & Ofa?
@Duluth Hard to know how they'll break it down.
For me - the logical way to do it is to pick the starting XV plus the bench - and then have one spare in each specialist position.
One loosehead
One tighthead
One hooker
One lock
One loosie
One halfback
One first five
One midfielder
One wing
One fullbackThat's one too many, but I'm expecting Beauden will be a first five and fullback.
As you say, they could have Ofa covering both sides to allow themselves an extra loose forward.
I hope they pick three first fives and not four wings.
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I'm really excited for this international season
I don't think I could put a number on the win loss, for me it is more about the selections, gameplan, innovation, development. I want us to by innovators, not just a team that still struggle to deal with what other teams are doing.
If I see that happening I can totally tolerate some losses.
If we just look same old, might as well have kept the fat guy.@Darren said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
If we just look same old, might as well have kept the fat guy.
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hmmmm....
@Kiwiwomble He is most likely in AB camp today then
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
hmmmm....
If true, that's such a backwards selection. I thought Razor was all about innovation and picking the 'best' players? Cane hasn't played for ages and is 'E Blackadder' level injury prone these days.
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Sorry, i just went to buy microwave popcorn in bulk for when Cane gets picked and Lakai doesn't.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
hmmmm....
If true, that's such a backwards selection. I thought Razor was all about innovation and picking the 'best' players? Cane hasn't played for ages and is 'E Blackadder' level injury prone these days.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
If true, that's such a backwards selection. I thought Razor was all about innovation and picking the 'best' players? Cane hasn't played for ages and is 'E Blackadder' level injury prone these days.
A little surprised if he is fit already, but I kind off expected him in the Championship squad.
It seemed like a negotiated exit.. he cuts his (expensive) contract short in return he gets nursed to 100 caps
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
If true, that's such a backwards selection. I thought Razor was all about innovation and picking the 'best' players? Cane hasn't played for ages and is 'E Blackadder' level injury prone these days.
A little surprised if he is fit already, but I kind off expected him in the Championship squad.
It seemed like a negotiated exit.. he cuts his (expensive) contract short in return he gets nursed to 100 caps
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
If true, that's such a backwards selection. I thought Razor was all about innovation and picking the 'best' players? Cane hasn't played for ages and is 'E Blackadder' level injury prone these days.
A little surprised if he is fit already, but I kind off expected him in the Championship squad.
It seemed like a negotiated exit.. he cuts his (expensive) contract short in return he gets nursed to 100 caps
Since when did we hand out the AB jersey to players that haven’t earned the right? If he went back to NPC and put his hand up again then so be it but he hasn’t played in ages. So disappointing if true.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
If true, that's such a backwards selection. I thought Razor was all about innovation and picking the 'best' players? Cane hasn't played for ages and is 'E Blackadder' level injury prone these days.
A little surprised if he is fit already, but I kind off expected him in the Championship squad.
It seemed like a negotiated exit.. he cuts his (expensive) contract short in return he gets nursed to 100 caps
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
If true, that's such a backwards selection. I thought Razor was all about innovation and picking the 'best' players? Cane hasn't played for ages and is 'E Blackadder' level injury prone these days.
A little surprised if he is fit already, but I kind off expected him in the Championship squad.
It seemed like a negotiated exit.. he cuts his (expensive) contract short in return he gets nursed to 100 caps
sounds plausible....but by fuck thats a depressing reality to accept
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Depends on the nature of the losses, but 10-4 would be a low bar for many people.
To quote Marcellus Wallace: "You see, this profession is filled to the brim with unrealistic motherfuckers."
I guess everyone has their own expectations. I'm reading what Grubster is writing and thinking I'm on the same page.
One thing I haven't really taken into account is to what extent these other teams are rebuilding.
England for instance seem to have pretty much the same forward pack they used at the RWC, but the backs are markedly different. The couple of preview articles I've read suggest they're playing more expansively and the English have some optimism that they might catch us undercooked. Considering Razor's got two weeks to unfold his gameplan (and sprinkle his magic dust around) that wouldn't surprise me.
If we go down to the poms the sharks will be taking chunks out of the sufboard before he's paddled past the breakers.
Given I didn't watch the Six Nations - what should we expect from England? Is this basically the team they used - or did they have Farrell etc?
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Given I didn't watch the Six Nations - what should we expect from England? Is this basically the team they used - or did they have Farrell etc?
Farrel was unavailable fro 6n, so the now injured Ford started all the games. Their tens are much worse than ours, DMAC> than them and obvs Beaudy heaps of experience and Plummer at a level similar to the two Smiths
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Given I didn't watch the Six Nations - what should we expect from England? Is this basically the team they used - or did they have Farrell etc?
Farrel was unavailable fro 6n, so the now injured Ford started all the games. Their tens are much worse than ours, DMAC> than them and obvs Beaudy heaps of experience and Plummer at a level similar to the two Smiths
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
hmmmm....
so that and Scott Barrett captain..
should be fun
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Yeah both the wings have been on fire in club, and their midfield looks very good - Slade is on form. It's a very flash harry bunch for england, not a huge amount of caps the backs vs Japan about 150 - 60 are Slade's and 30 each for Smith and Lawrence
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Devlin saying his source has Scott Barrett to be named as Captain. -
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Devlin saying his source has Scott Barrett to be named as Captain.@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
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Devlin saying his source has Scott Barrett to be named as Captain.https://twitter.com/martindevlinnz/status/1802904714209828980
change x to twitter and it works.
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Devlin saying his source has Scott Barrett to be named as Captain.@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
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Devlin saying his source has Scott Barrett to be named as Captain.That won't surprise me.
My guess is that Cane is at Razor's camp and that's extrapolated to him making the team.
I'd expect Beauden and Ardie (assuming he's in the country) to be there - and probably some of the injured guys who won't be fit for England - Jordan, Roigard etc.
