All Blacks 2024
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024:
At 6, we really need a legitimate third lineout jumper. If not Finau, then Suafoa, Dunshea and Hannah are guys with the desired dimensions.
Wait… When you say this, are you referring to them being possible options for the All Blacks at 6? Or just line out options in their preferred positions? Really need some clarity on this
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@Landers92 Just guys with the desired size.
@Chris-B Considering Hannah is built like a street light, you can put a scratch through him right now. Dunshea, as you suggested the athleticism isn’t near where it needs to be.
Only one would be Suafoa, but in my opinion he is way off being an international 6. I would have Oli Haig and Devan Flanders before all of the above. 6’s dont have to be extremely tall timber, just a solid lineout option, eg Kaino.
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@Chris-B Considering Hannah is built like a street light, you can put a scratch through him right now. Dunshea, as you suggested the athleticism isn’t near where it needs to be.
Only one would be Suafoa, but in my opinion he is way off being an international 6. I would have Oli Haig and Devan Flanders before all of the above. 6’s dont have to be extremely tall timber, just a solid lineout option, eg Kaino.
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
6’s dont have to be tall timber, just a solid lineout option, eg Kaino
Kaino was 6'5, and just as importantly, was joined in the loose by one Kieran Read, who was 6'4
I see Ardie is generously listed at 6'2
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@Chris-B Considering Hannah is built like a street light, you can put a scratch through him right now. Dunshea, as you suggested the athleticism isn’t near where it needs to be.
Only one would be Suafoa, but in my opinion he is way off being an international 6. I would have Oli Haig and Devan Flanders before all of the above. 6’s dont have to be extremely tall timber, just a solid lineout option, eg Kaino.
@Landers92 Kaino was a tall 6 - listed at 1.96 metres and I reckon that's about right.
Remember they used him at lock against Ireland. And he played with Read who was a tall 8 and an excellent jumper.
Frizell was similar height to Kaino and played lock for the landers.
If we are going to persist with Ardie at 8 then I reckon a tall 6 is almost a necessity.
However, I don't really disagree with you.
They will persist with Finau and bodge through with Blackadder and Jacobsen - and then Frizell will come back next year.
Finau will come right and be the long term future.
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
6’s dont have to be tall timber, just a solid lineout option, eg Kaino
Kaino was 6'5, and just as importantly, was joined in the loose by one Kieran Read, who was 6'4
I see Ardie is generously listed at 6'2
@mariner4life Snap!
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@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024:
Just on Rieko and his “limited” distribution - I’ll need to go and rewatch a heap of games, but feel like I can count on one finger the number of times where he’s received the ball in space and had the option to go himself or put someone into space. Just seems like it’s crash ball every time, and I put that down to gameplay and Jordie more than Rieko’s limitations
Agreed.
Jordie aint a crash hot passer.
He's like an unco' giraffe.
And that's what we have in the midfield right now, two physically gifted players or aren't natural distributors (aaaah for the days of Nonu)@Frank said in All Blacks 2024:
aaaah for the days of Nonu
he learned distribution too - he was not a natural at all. Started on the wing for the ABs I think -against Ireland in Ireland I think?
Incredible transformation; his monster miss on BOD in Hamilton had folk saying 'never again' for the ABs. Go figure.
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
6’s dont have to be tall timber, just a solid lineout option, eg Kaino
Kaino was 6'5, and just as importantly, was joined in the loose by one Kieran Read, who was 6'4
I see Ardie is generously listed at 6'2
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
6’s dont have to be tall timber, just a solid lineout option, eg Kaino
Kaino was 6'5, and just as importantly, was joined in the loose by one Kieran Read, who was 6'4
I see Ardie is generously listed at 6'2
He must have been standing in a hole when these pictures were taken then….
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@Landers92 Kaino was a tall 6 - listed at 1.96 metres and I reckon that's about right.
Remember they used him at lock against Ireland. And he played with Read who was a tall 8 and an excellent jumper.
Frizell was similar height to Kaino and played lock for the landers.
If we are going to persist with Ardie at 8 then I reckon a tall 6 is almost a necessity.
However, I don't really disagree with you.
They will persist with Finau and bodge through with Blackadder and Jacobsen - and then Frizell will come back next year.
Finau will come right and be the long term future.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024:
@Landers92 Kaino was a tall 6 - listed at 1.96 metres and I reckon that's about right.
Remember they used him at lock against Ireland. And he played with Read who was a tall 8 and an excellent jumper.
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was that really necessary mate?
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@Landers92 Kaino was a tall 6 - listed at 1.96 metres and I reckon that's about right.
Remember they used him at lock against Ireland. And he played with Read who was a tall 8 and an excellent jumper.
Frizell was similar height to Kaino and played lock for the landers.
If we are going to persist with Ardie at 8 then I reckon a tall 6 is almost a necessity.
However, I don't really disagree with you.
They will persist with Finau and bodge through with Blackadder and Jacobsen - and then Frizell will come back next year.
Finau will come right and be the long term future.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024:
Frizell was similar height to Kaino and played lock for the landers.
*covered lock a handfull of times, +95% of the time was 6,think he played lock for Ta$man more
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Just on Rieko and his “limited” distribution - I’ll need to go and rewatch a heap of games, but feel like I can count on one finger the number of times where he’s received the ball in space and had the option to go himself or put someone into space. Just seems like it’s crash ball every time, and I put that down to gameplay and Jordie more than Rieko’s limitations
@voodoo and let's not forget he is playing in an era where our coaches are yet to consistently devise plans to deal with the rush defence, meaning he isn't getting the ball in space or even much opportunity to create it.
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
6’s dont have to be tall timber, just a solid lineout option, eg Kaino
Kaino was 6'5, and just as importantly, was joined in the loose by one Kieran Read, who was 6'4
I see Ardie is generously listed at 6'2
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
6’s dont have to be tall timber, just a solid lineout option, eg Kaino
Kaino was 6'5, and just as importantly, was joined in the loose by one Kieran Read, who was 6'4
I see Ardie is generously listed at 6'2
And I think both were excellent lifters too.
You really want your top 6 playing there week in, week out in Super rugby.
I cannot believe I'm writing this, but I think Grace would be the player I'd have there if I can't pick Ioane and Finau isn't ready.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
6’s dont have to be tall timber, just a solid lineout option, eg Kaino
Kaino was 6'5, and just as importantly, was joined in the loose by one Kieran Read, who was 6'4
I see Ardie is generously listed at 6'2
And I think both were excellent lifters too.
You really want your top 6 playing there week in, week out in Super rugby.
I cannot believe I'm writing this, but I think Grace would be the player I'd have there if I can't pick Ioane and Finau isn't ready.
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@gt12 but why is Grace more ready than Finau? Jackson Hemopo is looking like a decent loss right now.
Anyway bring back Luke whitelock.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 but why is Grace more ready than Finau? Jackson Hemopo is looking like a decent loss right now.
Anyway bring back Luke whitelock.
He may also need time but based on what I saw on the weekend, Finau isn't playing like Finau. If they are trying to get Finau to be a Crusader 6, I imagine it will take time and they may be better just choosing the guy doing the role they imagine.
Hopefully, Finau is just adjusting to the pace of international rugby.
Beyond him, I can't think of any other real 6s who have actually been playing in that position.
Flanders would be the same as Finau and Grace with less height (he looks like an 8 to me), Ioane is seemingly never going to be picked, and the young guy from the Landers is a mile away (he has class, but he's not close yet). Those and toaster hands are the options, yet Blackadder was chosen as the backup.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 but why is Grace more ready than Finau? Jackson Hemopo is looking like a decent loss right now.
Anyway bring back Luke whitelock.
He may also need time but based on what I saw on the weekend, Finau isn't playing like Finau. If they are trying to get Finau to be a Crusader 6, I imagine it will take time and they may be better just choosing the guy doing the role they imagine.
Hopefully, Finau is just adjusting to the pace of international rugby.
Beyond him, I can't think of any other real 6s who have actually been playing in that position.
Flanders would be the same as Finau and Grace with less height (he looks like an 8 to me), Ioane is seemingly never going to be picked, and the young guy from the Landers is a mile away (he has class, but he's not close yet). Those and toaster hands are the options, yet Blackadder was chosen as the backup.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 but why is Grace more ready than Finau? Jackson Hemopo is looking like a decent loss right now.
Anyway bring back Luke whitelock.
He may also need time but based on what I saw on the weekend, Finau isn't playing like Finau. If they are trying to get Finau to be a Crusader 6, I imagine it will take time and they may be better just choosing the guy doing the role they imagine.
Hopefully, Finau is just adjusting to the pace of international rugby.
Beyond him, I can't think of any other real 6s who have actually been playing in that position.
Flanders would be the same as Finau and Grace with less height (he looks like an 8 to me), Ioane is seemingly never going to be picked, and the young guy from the Landers is a mile away (he has class, but he's not close yet). Those and toaster hands are the options, yet Blackadder was chosen as the backup.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 but why is Grace more ready than Finau? Jackson Hemopo is looking like a decent loss right now.
Anyway bring back Luke whitelock.
He may also need time but based on what I saw on the weekend, Finau isn't playing like Finau. If they are trying to get Finau to be a Crusader 6, I imagine it will take time and they may be better just choosing the guy doing the role they imagine.
Hopefully, Finau is just adjusting to the pace of international rugby.
Beyond him, I can't think of any other real 6s who have actually been playing in that position.
Flanders would be the same as Finau and Grace with less height (he looks like an 8 to me), Ioane is seemingly never going to be picked, and the young guy from the Landers is a mile away (he has class, but he's not close yet). Those and toaster hands are the options, yet Blackadder was chosen as the backup.
Finai is listed as 1.96
Grace and Flanders as 1.93
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 but why is Grace more ready than Finau? Jackson Hemopo is looking like a decent loss right now.
Anyway bring back Luke whitelock.
He may also need time but based on what I saw on the weekend, Finau isn't playing like Finau. If they are trying to get Finau to be a Crusader 6, I imagine it will take time and they may be better just choosing the guy doing the role they imagine.
Hopefully, Finau is just adjusting to the pace of international rugby.
Beyond him, I can't think of any other real 6s who have actually been playing in that position.
Flanders would be the same as Finau and Grace with less height (he looks like an 8 to me), Ioane is seemingly never going to be picked, and the young guy from the Landers is a mile away (he has class, but he's not close yet). Those and toaster hands are the options, yet Blackadder was chosen as the backup.
Finai is listed as 1.96
Grace and Flanders as 1.93
@Winger said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 but why is Grace more ready than Finau? Jackson Hemopo is looking like a decent loss right now.
Anyway bring back Luke whitelock.
He may also need time but based on what I saw on the weekend, Finau isn't playing like Finau. If they are trying to get Finau to be a Crusader 6, I imagine it will take time and they may be better just choosing the guy doing the role they imagine.
Hopefully, Finau is just adjusting to the pace of international rugby.
Beyond him, I can't think of any other real 6s who have actually been playing in that position.
Flanders would be the same as Finau and Grace with less height (he looks like an 8 to me), Ioane is seemingly never going to be picked, and the young guy from the Landers is a mile away (he has class, but he's not close yet). Those and toaster hands are the options, yet Blackadder was chosen as the backup.
Finai is listed as 1.96
Grace and Flanders as 1.93
OK, then fuck that idea!
He is the only other loose forward / lock (he has played there) running around though I think.
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@Winger said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 but why is Grace more ready than Finau? Jackson Hemopo is looking like a decent loss right now.
Anyway bring back Luke whitelock.
He may also need time but based on what I saw on the weekend, Finau isn't playing like Finau. If they are trying to get Finau to be a Crusader 6, I imagine it will take time and they may be better just choosing the guy doing the role they imagine.
Hopefully, Finau is just adjusting to the pace of international rugby.
Beyond him, I can't think of any other real 6s who have actually been playing in that position.
Flanders would be the same as Finau and Grace with less height (he looks like an 8 to me), Ioane is seemingly never going to be picked, and the young guy from the Landers is a mile away (he has class, but he's not close yet). Those and toaster hands are the options, yet Blackadder was chosen as the backup.
Finai is listed as 1.96
Grace and Flanders as 1.93
OK, then fuck that idea!
He is the only other loose forward / lock (he has played there) running around though I think.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
He is the only other loose forward / lock (he has played there) running around though I think.
Suafoa. However he didn't get much game time this year for medical reasons
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
He is the only other loose forward / lock (he has played there) running around though I think.
Suafoa. However he didn't get much game time this year for medical reasons
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
He is the only other loose forward / lock (he has played there) running around though I think.
Suafoa. However he didn't get much game time this year for medical reasons
100% for the future. If his medical issues are behind him, he will also clearly have the mental fortitude to deal with test rugby.
I'd have him 100 locked in for the Blues 6 next year.
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@Kiwiwomble there were photos of Blackadder training in full contact, don't no about the niggles, can't be much in it.
@george33 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Kiwiwomble there were photos of Blackadder training in full contact, don't no about the niggles, can't be much in it.
They found a ground hard enough so he wouldn't break it?
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024:
Hopefully some further improvement to come from Scott Barrett.
Just rewatching the first half and he is in absolutely everying. Extraordinary motor - so many involvements. I'm very very impressed - missed it live but his workrate is off the charts.
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024:
Hopefully some further improvement to come from Scott Barrett.
Just rewatching the first half and he is in absolutely everying. Extraordinary motor - so many involvements. I'm very very impressed - missed it live but his workrate is off the charts.
He covers so much ground and runs excellent lines defensively. I was watching him pretty closely on ruck involvement during a replay and was thinking how is he at that one when he was at the last one! And he’s sticking his shoulder in with a bit of feeling.
But our back 5 combination (4-8) are still finding out what the others are doing. I never underestimate the value of time and combination when it comes to the small stuff that needs to be done well consistently - at the ruck, in phase play, at set piece. We look disjointed at times mixed with some good play with bodies in motion. I’m optimistic about our chances in Sth Africa because there is something to build from.
