All Blacks vs England 2
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The first thing to fix is having faster distribution from the base i.e, Ratima starts and Christie goes back to passing school.
It essential we speed up our game because that is our natural advantage. We have the most instinctively attacking players in the world. -
I'm no Rieko fluffer, but Beauden is getting sucked off by all and sundry and he blew 2 far more obvious overlaps than Rieko on the weekend.
When we have a night like that in the lineout and people are talking about our centre, that's just fucken weird.@reprobate said in All Blacks vs England 2:
lineout and people are talking about our centre, that's just fucken weird.
No its not. We are allowed to post about more than one thing. Even if it upsets some.
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The first thing to fix is having faster distribution from the base i.e, Ratima starts and Christie goes back to passing school.
It essential we speed up our game because that is our natural advantage. We have the most instinctively attacking players in the world.@Frank said in All Blacks vs England 2:
The first thing to fix is having faster distribution from the base i.e, Ratima starts and Christie goes back to passing school.
It essential we speed up our game because that is our natural advantage. We have the most instinctively attacking players in the world.Agree. And the HB change is the key starting point. But having 2 limited passers in midfield is also an issue.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs England 2:
lineout and people are talking about our centre, that's just fucken weird.
No its not. We are allowed to post about more than one thing. Even if it upsets some.
@Winger said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs England 2:
lineout and people are talking about our centre, that's just fucken weird.
No its not. We are allowed to post about more than one thing. Even if it upsets some.
Why do you think calling it weird is some sort of attack on free speech, when in fact not being allowed to call it weird would be that. It's fucken weird.
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If there was a decent Hurricanes lineout forward he would be talking about it more
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There were a few things happening with the lineout (other than the couple of complete shockers by Taylor where the throw barely went past head height or past 2) that I’d normally look past because with Whitelock and Retallick we had bail out options even against teams that like to attack opposition ball (like England). But we don’t have those now so we need to get it pinpoint and not muck around with the shuffling, calls and lifting.
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There were a few things happening with the lineout (other than the couple of complete shockers by Taylor where the throw barely went past head height or past 2) that I’d normally look past because with Whitelock and Retallick we had bail out options even against teams that like to attack opposition ball (like England). But we don’t have those now so we need to get it pinpoint and not muck around with the shuffling, calls and lifting.
@ACT-Crusader I fucking despiiiiise that two formation lineout where they go to a usual formation, compress, and then expand again. I firmly believe your put yourselves under unnecessary pressure.
Identify the mismatch, call, quick feet and lift. Lineouts are basic. -
On the bright side a lineout is easier to fix than a scrum. We have a scrum
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On the bright side a lineout is easier to fix than a scrum. We have a scrum
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs England 2:
On the bright side a lineout is easier to fix than a scrum. We have a scrum
But very often a shit line out can be a momentum killer
See D Lake for Wales
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs England 2:
On the bright side a lineout is easier to fix than a scrum. We have a scrum
But very often a shit line out can be a momentum killer
See D Lake for Wales
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs England 2:
On the bright side a lineout is easier to fix than a scrum. We have a scrum
But very often a shit line out can be a momentum killer
See D Lake for Wales
I would rather have a ropey scrum than a fucked lineout.
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A ropey scrum is a penalty magnet.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs England 2:
On the bright side a lineout is easier to fix than a scrum. We have a scrum
But very often a shit line out can be a momentum killer
See D Lake for Wales
I would rather have a ropey scrum than a fucked lineout.
I would rather both were functioning competently.
The lineout completely killed any momentum we had in the 1st half and were the main reason for us going in behind at halftime.
Lineouts are best when simple, quick and varied.
It’s not as if the English lineout is incredibly tall.
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Most games now have more lineouts than scrums.
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Most games now have more lineouts than scrums.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Most games now have more lineouts than scrums.
And you can often get away with having a lesser scrum and still get FK / penalties as shown by the refs guessing after a few collapses.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Most games now have more lineouts than scrums.
And you can often get away with having a lesser scrum and still get FK / penalties as shown by the refs guessing after a few collapses.
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Most games now have more lineouts than scrums.
And you can often get away with having a lesser scrum and still get FK / penalties as shown by the refs guessing after a few collapses.
Yep and also you cannot now re-scrum on a FK taking away the scrumming purely for a penalty option. A good idea IMO.
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Someone posted an interesting article on Itoje and in it the writer remarked how Scotty could have complained more about some of his lineout tactics. I'll have to go back and watch again.
The article got the height wrong (I don't think the English locks were much taller if at all, Itoje is definitely quick though) but it made an interesting point about the distinctions between 4 and 5 and how Patty and Scott are best in the same position. -
Stats
Lineouts - NZ 10/13; Eng 18/20
Scrums - NZ 4/4; Eng 7/11
Tackles - NZ 127/143 (89%); Eng 119/148 (80%)
Penalties - NZ 6; Eng 11
Rucks won - NZ 68/68 (100%); Eng 83/87 (95%) -
Stats
Lineouts - NZ 10/13; Eng 18/20
Scrums - NZ 4/4; Eng 7/11
Tackles - NZ 127/143 (89%); Eng 119/148 (80%)
Penalties - NZ 6; Eng 11
Rucks won - NZ 68/68 (100%); Eng 83/87 (95%)Watching the game I’d have thought the penalty count would have had a wider gap. Just goes to show how emotional you get watching
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Stats
Lineouts - NZ 10/13; Eng 18/20
Scrums - NZ 4/4; Eng 7/11
Tackles - NZ 127/143 (89%); Eng 119/148 (80%)
Penalties - NZ 6; Eng 11
Rucks won - NZ 68/68 (100%); Eng 83/87 (95%)@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Stats
Lineouts - NZ 10/13; Eng 18/20
Scrums - NZ 4/4; Eng 7/11
Tackles - NZ 127/143 (89%); Eng 119/148 (80%)
Penalties - NZ 6; Eng 11
Rucks won - NZ 68/68 (100%); Eng 83/87 (95%)We really won 10 out of 13 lineouts?
Seemed a lot worse during the game -
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Stats
Lineouts - NZ 10/13; Eng 18/20
Scrums - NZ 4/4; Eng 7/11
Tackles - NZ 127/143 (89%); Eng 119/148 (80%)
Penalties - NZ 6; Eng 11
Rucks won - NZ 68/68 (100%); Eng 83/87 (95%)We really won 10 out of 13 lineouts?
Seemed a lot worse during the game@Darren said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Stats
Lineouts - NZ 10/13; Eng 18/20
Scrums - NZ 4/4; Eng 7/11
Tackles - NZ 127/143 (89%); Eng 119/148 (80%)
Penalties - NZ 6; Eng 11
Rucks won - NZ 68/68 (100%); Eng 83/87 (95%)We really won 10 out of 13 lineouts?
Seemed a lot worse during the gameYeah weird eh, thought the amount of scrums seemed lopsided too but I'm guessing the ABs tend to try and play out the advantage. Puts paid to the fact ABs didn't make many handling errors though.
