All Blacks vs Argentina I
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@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
At least Razor’s honest about the performance……. Looks pretty shocked
I had high hopes that he could take us places. I didn't expect this. He should be embarrassed. I expect some serious changes in personnel and mindset next weekend. But I won't hold my breath. Maybe Razor's super success was due to having the best players? Where is the attention to detail? Wasn't he meant to give the players clear guidance regarding their core responsibilities?
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I started getting worried when DMac wasn't given the orders to go for the penalty goal in the first half.
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@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Aumua took a great time to throw so badly
No one jumped though. Just piss poor all around. Horrible game overall by the ABs.
Why are people blaming Aumua for a lineout where he had no targets? The whole thing was a debacle and speaks volumes about the coaching and selecting.
Fucking abysmal. At least Fozzie got us to a RWC final.
Because he didn’t throw one straight since he came on.
No. One. Jumped.
What every line out
Too difficult to grasp we're talking about the last lineout?
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Aumua took a great time to throw so badly
No one jumped though. Just piss poor all around. Horrible game overall by the ABs.
Why are people blaming Aumua for a lineout where he had no targets? The whole thing was a debacle and speaks volumes about the coaching and selecting.
Fucking abysmal. At least Fozzie got us to a RWC final.
Because he didn’t throw one straight since he came on.
No. One. Jumped.
What every line out
Too difficult to grasp we're talking about the last lineout?
All 4 Amua fucked up by not throwing straight not just the last one.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Aumua took a great time to throw so badly
No one jumped though. Just piss poor all around. Horrible game overall by the ABs.
Why are people blaming Aumua for a lineout where he had no targets? The whole thing was a debacle and speaks volumes about the coaching and selecting.
Fucking abysmal. At least Fozzie got us to a RWC final.
Because he didn’t throw one straight since he came on.
No. One. Jumped.
What every line out
Too difficult to grasp we're talking about the last lineout?
All 4 Amua fucked up by not throwing straight not just the last one.
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Aumua took a great time to throw so badly
No one jumped though. Just piss poor all around. Horrible game overall by the ABs.
Why are people blaming Aumua for a lineout where he had no targets? The whole thing was a debacle and speaks volumes about the coaching and selecting.
Fucking abysmal. At least Fozzie got us to a RWC final.
Because he didn’t throw one straight since he came on.
No. One. Jumped.
What every line out
Too difficult to grasp we're talking about the last lineout?
All 4 Amua fucked up by not throwing straight not just the last one.Yes.Fixed.
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How? H-h-how??? Just, how???
That came down to three moments. Two gifted tries and a series of awful passes.
Does D-Mac need to take a spell and bring Plummer in from outside the squad? We just have zero punch. Personly I thought there were some rough PKs against us. Not sure what SlackBladder did in the lineout other than compete for the ball to warrant a PK and there we some rucks such as the last PK where Sititi was sitting out the back doing sweet FA to be involved yet gets pinged. The fact is, Argentina should have been within 14 points of this game yet we managed to manufacture them a win. FML.
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
How? H-h-how??? Just, how???
That came down to three moments. Two gifted tries and a series of awful passes.
Does D-Mac need to take a spell and bring Plummer in from outside the squad? We just have zero punch. Personly I thought there were some rough PKs against us. Not sure what SlackBladder did in the lineout other than compete for the ball to warrant a PK and there we some rucks such as the last PK where Sititi was sitting out the back doing sweet FA to be involved yet gets pinged. The fact is, Argentina should have been within 14 points of this game yet we managed to manufacture them a win. FML.
I may get roasted here but in hindsight
10 Plummer
12 Lam (ok ok raw as hell, ALB then)
13 Proctorwould have gone better IMO
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It’s funny (if you want to look at this way) but every time we’ve lost in Wellington apart from that Lions test, the weather has been perfect. It’s like the ABs prepare for high winds and bad weather when they play in Welly and then when it’s fine their plan goes out the window.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
It’s funny (if you want to look at this way) but every time we’ve lost in Wellington apart from that Lions test, the weather has been perfect. It’s like the ABs prepare for high winds and bad weather when they play in Welly and then when it’s fine their plan goes out the window.
Weather had nothing to do with this
More Wellington being a port city because the ABs were all at sea
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Maybe Razor's super success was due to having the best players?
Well in the Crusaders he got to coach against his now co-coaches Leon and Holland.....
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Well in the Crusaders he got to coach against his now co-coaches Leon and Holland.....
ouchy ouch
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how was the ground? Quite a few players slipped, mostly the AB backs but one or two Argies as well
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Pretty ugly really. The one consistent positive from the previous games was our scrum, and not having any of those kinda negated that.
Darry did his job well. Tough night for Aumua, but he's worth persisting with.
Savea seems to be lacking the positives that have been used to justify the balance problem he creates in the loosies. Also he may interview well, but not a captain's arsehole.
TJP, as expected, been ruining backlines for a decade.
I hope the axe gets wielded for the next one, but more likely we get the same 'give those guys a chance to redeem themselves' bullshit. They're too comfortable, they're complacent. Fuck them off.More importantly: Matera and Kramer were huge. Creevy too: 30-fucking-9, what a champion. Well done Argentina.
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Pretty ugly really. The one consistent positive from the previous games was our scrum, and not having any of those kinda negated that.
Darry did his job well. Tough night for Aumua, but he's worth persisting with.
Savea seems to be lacking the positives that have been used to justify the balance problem he creates in the loosies. Also he may interview well, but not a captain's arsehole.
TJP, as expected, been ruining backlines for a decade.
I hope the axe gets wielded for the next one, but more likely we get the same 'give those guys a chance to redeem themselves' bullshit. They're too comfortable, they're complacent. Fuck them off.More importantly: Matera and Kramer were huge. Creevy too: 30-fucking-9, what a champion. Well done Argentina.
Creevy is one of my fave alltime players. Matera is basically a Crusader and streets ahead of any other loosie on the park. Kramer still looks like the bruiser from that Chris Reeves Superman film.
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Our tactics remind a little bit of when Wayne Smith tried to bring in the flat attack line because he thought our skills were superior, and it largely failed. I think Razor’s come in with a similar mindset, but what he’s forgotten is at this level, everybody's skill base is at a certain level, and rugby is still very much about power and pressure. There’s no way around it, and we need to select and/or grow players who can play a power game, or we’ll continue to go side to side and look ineffectual like we did tonight. I’ll cut him some slack as we’ve lost Whitelock, Retallick etc. who were the engine room for so long, but he needs to rethink the balance of his team fast.
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I'm not sure even Fozzie's teams looked that physicality overmatched. Apart from a few minutes, the forwards looked flat, isolated, and lacked any sort of cohesion or plan. TJPs slow service compounded that, and the backs could get any penetration either
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Plus I am wondering if our good scrums have hidden other weaknesses in our pack..
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The realty is we still could have won that but the late second half errors were mind numbing.
I genuinely thought those days were over. No captaincy.
Need to commit with the likes of Sititi , Ratima, Proctor, Jordan, Clarke -
Our tactics remind a little bit of when Wayne Smith tried to bring in the flat attack line because he thought our skills were superior, and it largely failed. I think Razor’s come in with a similar mindset, but what he’s forgotten is at this level, everybody's skill base is at a certain level, and rugby is still very much about power and pressure. There’s no way around it, and we need to select and/or grow players who can play a power game, or we’ll continue to go side to side and look ineffectual like we did tonight. I’ll cut him some slack as we’ve lost Whitelock, Retallick etc. who were the engine room for so long, but he needs to rethink the balance of his team fast.
@Darth-Sader he failed to select the players most responsible for the Blues' winning power game. The game most translatable to test level
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It honestly feels like we are trying to reinvent how to win test footy.
Side to side offload city
Snubbing our noses at the principals of how you win test matches.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
It honestly feels like we are trying to reinvent how to win test footy.
Side to side offload city
Snubbing our noses at the principals of how you win test matches.
Fozzieball
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I wonder if we are missing mental skills guru Gilbert Enoka more than we realised we would.
Yes, we were physically overpowered but we froze at the end too. Execution of basic, controlled skills went to shit. Something really not right.
