Springboks vs All Blacks I
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@Nevorian said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I wish we could have cloned Aaron Smith
his pass is just sublime. Incredible player and you see what he created.
Hell, his passing kept the Highlanders competitive for years by letting them attack 2 or 3 channels outside the ruck.
/sigh
I miss him
@nzzp said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Nevorian said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I wish we could have cloned Aaron Smith
his pass is just sublime. Incredible player and you see what he created.
Hell, his passing kept the Highlanders competitive for years by letting them attack 2 or 3 channels outside the ruck.
/sigh
I miss him
Aaron Smith was our lineout MVP because his pass turned 2-ball in to attacking ball. Made life for our hookers a lot easier
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Nuggie was the best passing halfback I’ve seen , I know there have been other great halfbacks , better running games or kicking games perhaps.
But when it comes to distribution, he was the goat .
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@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Token, Token, Patrick Tuipulotu (c), Sam Darry, Akira Ioane, Dalton Papali'i, Hoskins Sotutu, Token, Harry Plummer, Caleb Clarke, AJ Lam, Rieko Ioane, Mark Tele'a, Stephen Perofeta
sounds better and I've got some great names for the bench!
You might need a few more tokens because Tuipulotu, Perofeta are injured, Plummer won’t travel, Lam is not an AB, and Ioane and Sotutu never heard of them and neither has Razor.
Looking extremely light on, which is probably for the best.
You mentioned one who is returning from injury and 2 who are always injured and more tokens than I did and you claimed a blues player. So back at you and your light brigade.
They are all available for selection
I'm not sure about Patrick, Scott might play but with injury -bandaged finger - DH's mighty frame up against the Boks? Shudder. And EB isn't called Niggles for nothing.
https://www.allblacks.com/news/all-blacks-switch-focus-to-the-springboks
As to Razor not knowing Akira
@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
DH's mighty frame up against the Boks? Shudder.
Though interestingly vs South Africa:
Dave Havili: played 5: won 3: lost 2
Jordie Barrett: played 8: won 3: lost 5(I think Jordie is 1:2 at 2nd five)
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@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
DH's mighty frame up against the Boks? Shudder.
Though interestingly vs South Africa:
Dave Havili: played 5: won 3: lost 2
Jordie Barrett: played 8: won 3: lost 5(I think Jordie is 1:2 at 2nd five)
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Nuggie was the best passing halfback I’ve seen , I know there have been other great halfbacks , better running games or kicking games perhaps.
But when it comes to distribution, he was the goat .
@kiwiinmelb said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Nuggie was the best passing halfback I’ve seen , I know there have been other great halfbacks , better running games or kicking games perhaps.
But when it comes to distribution, he was the goat .
The passing is enhanced by his speed to the ruck and the lines he runs across the field. The close out of the 2013 Ireland test was probably the greatest example of this especially when the defensive ruck pressure from Ireland was high.
Perenara has good speed also and he’s also excellent supporting whether for an offload or if the ball carrier is tackled and we need clean out support. It’s what happens when we need quick ball that concerns me. Against the Boks ruck pressure we will need him to clear ball quickly.
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@Chris-B said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
(I think Jordie is 1:2 at 2nd five)
So the two losses at 12 are the shitshow pre world cup warm up effort at Twickenham and the final where Cane got red carded and Frizell got yellow carded?
@KiwiMurph said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Chris-B said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
(I think Jordie is 1:2 at 2nd five)
So the two losses at 12 are the shitshow pre world cup warm up effort at Twickenham and the final where Cane got red carded and Frizell got yellow carded?
Correct.
One of Dave's losses was to an injury time penalty goal when DH had been subbed at 65 minutes.
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@kiwiinmelb said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Nuggie was the best passing halfback I’ve seen , I know there have been other great halfbacks , better running games or kicking games perhaps.
But when it comes to distribution, he was the goat .
The passing is enhanced by his speed to the ruck and the lines he runs across the field. The close out of the 2013 Ireland test was probably the greatest example of this especially when the defensive ruck pressure from Ireland was high.
Perenara has good speed also and he’s also excellent supporting whether for an offload or if the ball carrier is tackled and we need clean out support. It’s what happens when we need quick ball that concerns me. Against the Boks ruck pressure we will need him to clear ball quickly.
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Perenara has good speed also and he’s also excellent supporting whether for an offload or if the ball carrier is tackled and we need clean out support. It’s what happens when we need quick ball that concerns me. Against the Boks ruck pressure we will need him to clear ball quickly
to me the main difference is they can both get the ball out fast, but A Smith almost every time finds the right guy to give it to, where as TJ seems to find the wrong guy too often. Smith's quick ball keeps movements flowing, TJs make everything look rushed and disorganised. One of those small things that only the truly great can just do?
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Can we keep this thread about the match please
There's a thread for the MacDonald news:
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/6826/leon-macdonald-quits -
@kiwiinmelb said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Nuggie was the best passing halfback I’ve seen , I know there have been other great halfbacks , better running games or kicking games perhaps.
But when it comes to distribution, he was the goat .
The passing is enhanced by his speed to the ruck and the lines he runs across the field. The close out of the 2013 Ireland test was probably the greatest example of this especially when the defensive ruck pressure from Ireland was high.
Perenara has good speed also and he’s also excellent supporting whether for an offload or if the ball carrier is tackled and we need clean out support. It’s what happens when we need quick ball that concerns me. Against the Boks ruck pressure we will need him to clear ball quickly.
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
The close out of the 2013 Ireland test was probably the greatest example of this especially when the defensive ruck pressure from Ireland was high.
Agreed, that long passage right there was an example for how crucial he was to our play, he touched the ball so many times.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Perenara has good speed also and he’s also excellent supporting whether for an offload or if the ball carrier is tackled and we need clean out support. It’s what happens when we need quick ball that concerns me. Against the Boks ruck pressure we will need him to clear ball quickly
to me the main difference is they can both get the ball out fast, but A Smith almost every time finds the right guy to give it to, where as TJ seems to find the wrong guy too often. Smith's quick ball keeps movements flowing, TJs make everything look rushed and disorganised. One of those small things that only the truly great can just do?
@mariner4life said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Perenara has good speed also and he’s also excellent supporting whether for an offload or if the ball carrier is tackled and we need clean out support. It’s what happens when we need quick ball that concerns me. Against the Boks ruck pressure we will need him to clear ball quickly
to me the main difference is they can both get the ball out fast, but A Smith almost every time finds the right guy to give it to, where as TJ seems to find the wrong guy too often. Smith's quick ball keeps movements flowing, TJs make everything look rushed and disorganised. One of those small things that only the truly great can just do?
Noticed that, too. Imagine current backline with Nugget at 9.
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@mariner4life said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Perenara has good speed also and he’s also excellent supporting whether for an offload or if the ball carrier is tackled and we need clean out support. It’s what happens when we need quick ball that concerns me. Against the Boks ruck pressure we will need him to clear ball quickly
to me the main difference is they can both get the ball out fast, but A Smith almost every time finds the right guy to give it to, where as TJ seems to find the wrong guy too often. Smith's quick ball keeps movements flowing, TJs make everything look rushed and disorganised. One of those small things that only the truly great can just do?
Noticed that, too. Imagine current backline with Nugget at 9.
@pakman said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@mariner4life said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Perenara has good speed also and he’s also excellent supporting whether for an offload or if the ball carrier is tackled and we need clean out support. It’s what happens when we need quick ball that concerns me. Against the Boks ruck pressure we will need him to clear ball quickly
to me the main difference is they can both get the ball out fast, but A Smith almost every time finds the right guy to give it to, where as TJ seems to find the wrong guy too often. Smith's quick ball keeps movements flowing, TJs make everything look rushed and disorganised. One of those small things that only the truly great can just do?
Noticed that, too. Imagine current backline with Nugget at 9.
2023 says hi?
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@pakman said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@mariner4life said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Perenara has good speed also and he’s also excellent supporting whether for an offload or if the ball carrier is tackled and we need clean out support. It’s what happens when we need quick ball that concerns me. Against the Boks ruck pressure we will need him to clear ball quickly
to me the main difference is they can both get the ball out fast, but A Smith almost every time finds the right guy to give it to, where as TJ seems to find the wrong guy too often. Smith's quick ball keeps movements flowing, TJs make everything look rushed and disorganised. One of those small things that only the truly great can just do?
Noticed that, too. Imagine current backline with Nugget at 9.
2023 says hi?
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@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Perenara has good speed also and he’s also excellent supporting whether for an offload or if the ball carrier is tackled and we need clean out support. It’s what happens when we need quick ball that concerns me. Against the Boks ruck pressure we will need him to clear ball quickly
to me the main difference is they can both get the ball out fast, but A Smith almost every time finds the right guy to give it to, where as TJ seems to find the wrong guy too often. Smith's quick ball keeps movements flowing, TJs make everything look rushed and disorganised. One of those small things that only the truly great can just do?
@mariner4life said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
to me the main difference is they can both get the ball out fast, but A Smith almost every time finds the right guy to give it to, where as TJ seems to find the wrong guy too often.
Moreover
I think another issue is how the guy gets hit - I.e. Smith was incredible in regards to being able to hit the player in the chest/breadbasket/hands out in front again and again and again
Perenara might pick out the right player - but the pass is often high or low or behind
Makes an enormous difference in the ability of the ball runner to get over the gain line or the ball being able to be spun wide for an opportunity or helping your kicker in his clearance etc
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Nuggie was the best passing halfback I’ve seen , I know there have been other great halfbacks , better running games or kicking games perhaps.
But when it comes to distribution, he was the goat .
@kiwiinmelb said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Nuggie was the best passing halfback I’ve seen , I know there have been other great halfbacks , better running games or kicking games perhaps.
But when it comes to distribution, he was the goat .
It would have been great to see what Dave Loveridge could do now if he was 40 years younger. His passing was outstanding too and he was class with ball in hand.
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@kiwiinmelb said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Nuggie was the best passing halfback I’ve seen , I know there have been other great halfbacks , better running games or kicking games perhaps.
But when it comes to distribution, he was the goat .
It would have been great to see what Dave Loveridge could do now if he was 40 years younger. His passing was outstanding too and he was class with ball in hand.
@cgrant said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@kiwiinmelb said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Nuggie was the best passing halfback I’ve seen , I know there have been other great halfbacks , better running games or kicking games perhaps.
But when it comes to distribution, he was the goat .
It would have been great to see what Dave Loveridge could do now if he was 40 years younger. His passing was outstanding too and he was class with ball in hand.
I was only young when I watched him, but Loveridge would probably be A Smith before A Smith. His pass was always spoken highly about
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The backline I am hoping to see for both tests is:
Ratima
DMac
Clarke
Jordie
Rieko
Jordan
BeaudenTJP
ALB
ReeceTJP as insurance if Ratima is battling but I think we need Ratima starting to help counter the rush a bit.
Clarke and Jordan are two of the most lethal wingers in world rugby right now, and with Rieko attracting defenders inside them that frees them up a bit more.
Reece would be a bit of a nightmare to defend against coming on fresh with 20 to go.
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The backline I am hoping to see for both tests is:
Ratima
DMac
Clarke
Jordie
Rieko
Jordan
BeaudenTJP
ALB
ReeceTJP as insurance if Ratima is battling but I think we need Ratima starting to help counter the rush a bit.
Clarke and Jordan are two of the most lethal wingers in world rugby right now, and with Rieko attracting defenders inside them that frees them up a bit more.
Reece would be a bit of a nightmare to defend against coming on fresh with 20 to go.
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@No-Quarter Like that backline mate, though at this early stage I suspect TJ will start at 9 and leave Ratima for against hopefully tiring team, where perhaps his speed of break may come into play. But genuinely comfortable with whoever starts.
@Dan54 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@No-Quarter Like that backline mate, though at this early stage I suspect TJ will start at 9 and leave Ratima for against hopefully tiring team, where perhaps his speed of break may come into play. But genuinely comfortable with whoever starts.
None of these young guys have played in the Republic. It might be a shock to the system
