Leon MacDonald Quits
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McDonald has been a head coach since the last time they worked, so that can change a lot of a dynamic. I think this is totally fine, in a high performance environment you need focus and clarity - if it is not working then you need someone to change or move on.
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Anyone remember a few weeks ago what I was saying about this Leon McDonald situation? I can’t remember what thread it was in, maybe AB’s 2024. I wasn’t just saying stuff for the sake of it after all…
@Landers92 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Anyone remember a few weeks ago what I was saying about this Leon McDonald situation? I can’t remember what thread it was in, maybe AB’s 2024. I wasn’t just saying stuff for the sake of it after all…
Pre or post Poms?
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I wonder what the tipping point was?
Was it when Leon said Breaking wasn't a proper Olympic sport?
Or was it when he said Surfing shouldn't be in the Games either?
@sparky said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
I wonder what the tipping point was?
Was it when Leon said Breaking wasn't a proper Olympic sport?
Or was it when he said Surfing shouldn't be in the Games either?
Comedy Gold
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Without really knowing why MacDonald has left, I am not too surprised apart from how early a change has occurred. From memory it seemed Razor wasn't shy about changing up his assistants when at the Saders.
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@nostrildamus said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
The timing is a bit weird.
Early disagreement on backline for Boks?
@Machpants said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
McDonald has been a head coach since the last time they worked, so that can change a lot of a dynamic.
that's exactly it according to Razor, did you just read the article?
He said he and MacDonald “hadn’t foreseen’’ any potential differences before the coaching team was formed, otherwise “we wouldn’t probably have gone down that line”.
“But as we got into the coaching we realised our philosophies and just the way we click and see the game is a little bit different now.
“Obviously being a head coach for a long period of time, you see things differently.”
“As we started getting hands-on, things have just differed."
understandable, 8 years since they last coached together.
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@Machpants said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
McDonald has been a head coach since the last time they worked, so that can change a lot of a dynamic.
that's exactly it according to Razor, did you just read the article?
He said he and MacDonald “hadn’t foreseen’’ any potential differences before the coaching team was formed, otherwise “we wouldn’t probably have gone down that line”.
“But as we got into the coaching we realised our philosophies and just the way we click and see the game is a little bit different now.
“Obviously being a head coach for a long period of time, you see things differently.”
“As we started getting hands-on, things have just differed."
understandable, 8 years since they last coached together.
@darylmitchell said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Machpants said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
McDonald has been a head coach since the last time they worked, so that can change a lot of a dynamic.
that's exactly it according to Razor, did you just read the article?
He said he and MacDonald “hadn’t foreseen’’ any potential differences before the coaching team was formed, otherwise “we wouldn’t probably have gone down that line”.
“But as we got into the coaching we realised our philosophies and just the way we click and see the game is a little bit different now.
“Obviously being a head coach for a long period of time, you see things differently.”
“As we started getting hands-on, things have just differed."
understandable, 8 years since they last coached together.
Sounds like me before I got married
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Genuinely a concern that the coaching group is falling apart after only 5 tests. They have worked together before and I would hope of known what was expected promised etc. Not sure this is what we were sold.
@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Genuinely a concern that the coaching group is falling apart after only 5 tests. They have worked together before and I would hope of known what was expected promised etc. Not sure this is what we were sold.
Are my eyes deceiving me or are you questioning the coaches?
Is it the status quo actually changing that makes you uncomfortable?
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Prediction:
Rangi won't be the last All Blacks assistant coach to get fired/walk this year.
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@Machpants said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
McDonald has been a head coach since the last time they worked, so that can change a lot of a dynamic.
that's exactly it according to Razor, did you just read the article?
He said he and MacDonald “hadn’t foreseen’’ any potential differences before the coaching team was formed, otherwise “we wouldn’t probably have gone down that line”.
“But as we got into the coaching we realised our philosophies and just the way we click and see the game is a little bit different now.
“Obviously being a head coach for a long period of time, you see things differently.”
“As we started getting hands-on, things have just differed."
understandable, 8 years since they last coached together.
@darylmitchell said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Machpants said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
McDonald has been a head coach since the last time they worked, so that can change a lot of a dynamic.
that's exactly it according to Razor, did you just read the article?
He said he and MacDonald “hadn’t foreseen’’ any potential differences before the coaching team was formed, otherwise “we wouldn’t probably have gone down that line”.
“But as we got into the coaching we realised our philosophies and just the way we click and see the game is a little bit different now.
“Obviously being a head coach for a long period of time, you see things differently.”
“As we started getting hands-on, things have just differed."
understandable, 8 years since they last coached together.
Leon was on standby for the gig as far back as April last year.
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@darylmitchell said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Machpants said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
McDonald has been a head coach since the last time they worked, so that can change a lot of a dynamic.
that's exactly it according to Razor, did you just read the article?
He said he and MacDonald “hadn’t foreseen’’ any potential differences before the coaching team was formed, otherwise “we wouldn’t probably have gone down that line”.
“But as we got into the coaching we realised our philosophies and just the way we click and see the game is a little bit different now.
“Obviously being a head coach for a long period of time, you see things differently.”
“As we started getting hands-on, things have just differed."
understandable, 8 years since they last coached together.
Leon was on standby for the gig as far back as April last year.
@pakman said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@darylmitchell said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Machpants said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
McDonald has been a head coach since the last time they worked, so that can change a lot of a dynamic.
that's exactly it according to Razor, did you just read the article?
He said he and MacDonald “hadn’t foreseen’’ any potential differences before the coaching team was formed, otherwise “we wouldn’t probably have gone down that line”.
“But as we got into the coaching we realised our philosophies and just the way we click and see the game is a little bit different now.
“Obviously being a head coach for a long period of time, you see things differently.”
“As we started getting hands-on, things have just differed."
understandable, 8 years since they last coached together.
Leon was on standby for the gig as far back as April last year.
He also agreed to assistant role under Jamie Joseph last year according to NZ Herald, was going to be coaching the AB backs with Brown on attack if Razor didn't get the job in 2023, now Leon's probably lamenting Joseph not getting the job over Razor?
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Regardless of who is in the right , I love the ruthlessness.
This is what we have been lacking since 2015.
If It’s not working. Something has to change.
As I always say…
The crest on the front is bigger than any name on the back.
Now move Will Jordan to fullback post haste you floppy haired surf nonce.
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Regardless of who is in the right , I love the ruthlessness.
This is what we have been lacking since 2015.
If It’s not working. Something has to change.
As I always say…
The crest on the front is bigger than any name on the back.
Now move Will Jordan to fullback post haste you floppy haired surf nonce.
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@Jet said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Now move Will Jordan to fullback post haste you floppy haired surf nonce.
Did you watch the last game? He sucked at fullback as much as he was good on the wing
@Machpants said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Jet said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Now move Will Jordan to fullback post haste you floppy haired surf nonce.
Did you watch the last game? He sucked at fullback as much as he was good on the wing
Yeah he was pants. But the whole team was. The second half was a non event. Surely he is to be given more of a chance than that?
Like full test week prep knowing he is the 15.
The whole back line was reshuffled when Jordan moved to 15. Rieko went to the wing.
They need time in the saddle to get the comms right. The back 3 working the pendulum etc.
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@nzzp said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Surprised at the kicking that Leon is now getting on here. He has been a very solid coach for a long time - no surprises that Razor wanted to work with him. His influence at Blues was incredible; we may not have won, but he took us from a toxic, dysfunctional mess to a competitive outfit. Vern got us over the line, but the groundwork and big changes were led by Leon.
I think this is debateable. Better than the dreadful era of Sir JK and Tana, but statistics made easier by the competition becoming beat the worst NZ team and a bunch of Oz ones.
I don't know if it was messaging or philosophy but the attack for the Blues looked disjointed and lethargic. The difference in style and outcome from one year under Vern speaks volumes.
@antipodean said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
I don't know if it was messaging or philosophy but the attack for the Blues looked disjointed and lethargic. The difference in style and outcome from one year under Vern speaks volumes.
There were signs of the same aimless attack in the ABs that we saw in the Blues under McDonald so can't say I'm too surprised by this. Something wasn't quite gelling behind the scenes. I guess it explains Razor's initial comments after the Pumas loss of disjointed play.
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@pakman said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@darylmitchell said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Machpants said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
McDonald has been a head coach since the last time they worked, so that can change a lot of a dynamic.
that's exactly it according to Razor, did you just read the article?
He said he and MacDonald “hadn’t foreseen’’ any potential differences before the coaching team was formed, otherwise “we wouldn’t probably have gone down that line”.
“But as we got into the coaching we realised our philosophies and just the way we click and see the game is a little bit different now.
“Obviously being a head coach for a long period of time, you see things differently.”
“As we started getting hands-on, things have just differed."
understandable, 8 years since they last coached together.
Leon was on standby for the gig as far back as April last year.
He also agreed to assistant role under Jamie Joseph last year according to NZ Herald, was going to be coaching the AB backs with Brown on attack if Razor didn't get the job in 2023, now Leon's probably lamenting Joseph not getting the job over Razor?
@darylmitchell said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@pakman said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@darylmitchell said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Machpants said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
McDonald has been a head coach since the last time they worked, so that can change a lot of a dynamic.
that's exactly it according to Razor, did you just read the article?
He said he and MacDonald “hadn’t foreseen’’ any potential differences before the coaching team was formed, otherwise “we wouldn’t probably have gone down that line”.
“But as we got into the coaching we realised our philosophies and just the way we click and see the game is a little bit different now.
“Obviously being a head coach for a long period of time, you see things differently.”
“As we started getting hands-on, things have just differed."
understandable, 8 years since they last coached together.
Leon was on standby for the gig as far back as April last year.
He also agreed to assistant role under Jamie Joseph last year according to NZ Herald, was going to be coaching the AB backs with Brown on attack if Razor didn't get the job in 2023, now Leon's probably lamenting Joseph not getting the job over Razor?
It’s very debatable whether Rangi and Joseph’s philosophies would’ve meshed also. The only thing I think that would’ve been in Rangi’s favour with Joseph as opposed to Razor, Joseph has been away from the NZ rugby scene for a while and Rangi’s familiarity with players and current Super structures would’ve been relied on.
