Leon MacDonald Quits
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@sparky said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@pakman Do we have any better sauces than that?
A guy at the pub said the same thing.
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@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Genuinely a concern that the coaching group is falling apart after only 5 tests. They have worked together before and I would hope of known what was expected promised etc. Not sure this is what we were sold.
Are my eyes deceiving me or are you questioning the coaches?
Is it the status quo actually changing that makes you uncomfortable?
@Frank said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Genuinely a concern that the coaching group is falling apart after only 5 tests. They have worked together before and I would hope of known what was expected promised etc. Not sure this is what we were sold.
Are my eyes deceiving me or are you questioning the coaches?
Is it the status quo actually changing that makes you uncomfortable?
I questioning the fact that coaching group seems to be falling apart? Yes.
I genuinely thought before you put group together you kind of make sure you have same philosophy on coaching.
Seems if you read it I just actually agreeing with Razor, he f***ed up forming his team.
Interesting thing is I recall reading a Jason Holland interview where he said he left Crusaders because his and Razor had piliosophical differences in coaching. It was in Rugby News in last couple if years, said they were good mates but didn't work as a group. -
These coaches in the public eye earn every last penny IMO.
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Just throwing my two cents out there.
I remember Razor made a relevant point in the recent documentary how he and Leon approached the game differently, he was saying how he tends to look for 'what could go right' whereas Leon tends to look for 'what could go wrong'.
I think it comes down to their mindset. Razor is an optimist by nature and risk-taking individual while Leon's coaching and selections have always tended to be conservative and low-risk in nature - see his Blues tenure.
Leon is conventional and coaches more by the book while Razor is the opposite of that, he's more of an unshackled unorthodox free-spirited individual Lol.... maybe Razor is right into that new age stuff?
@darylmitchell said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Just throwing my two cents out there.
I remember Razor made a relevant point in the recent documentary how he and Leon approached the game differently, he was saying how he tends to look for 'what could go right' whereas Leon tends to look for 'what could go wrong'.
I think it comes down to their mindset. Razor is an optimist by nature and risk-taking individual while Leon's coaching and selections have always tended to be conservative and low-risk in nature - see his Blues tenure.
Leon is conventional and coaches more by the book while Razor is the opposite of that, he's more of an unshackled unorthodox free-spirited individual Lol.... maybe Razor is right into that new age stuff?
So Willy J to 15 instead of Beaudy or Perofeta.
Its going to be raining fucking tries to NZ with "Air Jordan" at the back.
Strap yourselves in, the positivity express is leaving the station. Choo Choooooooooo
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@Frank said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Genuinely a concern that the coaching group is falling apart after only 5 tests. They have worked together before and I would hope of known what was expected promised etc. Not sure this is what we were sold.
Are my eyes deceiving me or are you questioning the coaches?
Is it the status quo actually changing that makes you uncomfortable?
I questioning the fact that coaching group seems to be falling apart? Yes.
I genuinely thought before you put group together you kind of make sure you have same philosophy on coaching.
Seems if you read it I just actually agreeing with Razor, he f***ed up forming his team.
Interesting thing is I recall reading a Jason Holland interview where he said he left Crusaders because his and Razor had piliosophical differences in coaching. It was in Rugby News in last couple if years, said they were good mates but didn't work as a group.@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Frank said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Genuinely a concern that the coaching group is falling apart after only 5 tests. They have worked together before and I would hope of known what was expected promised etc. Not sure this is what we were sold.
Are my eyes deceiving me or are you questioning the coaches?
Is it the status quo actually changing that makes you uncomfortable?
I questioning the fact that coaching group seems to be falling apart? Yes.
I genuinely thought before you put group together you kind of make sure you have same philosophy on coaching.
Seems if you read it I just actually agreeing with Razor, he f***ed up forming his team.
Interesting thing is I recall reading a Jason Holland interview where he said he left Crusaders because his and Razor had piliosophical differences in coaching. It was in Rugby News in last couple if years, said they were good mates but didn't work as a group.Its like marrying a bird and finding out 3 months in she doesnt want kids.
Bizarre that they didnt do their "due diligence" on each other before proposing/accepting the roles.
Appreciate the ruthlessness in moving on quickly though.
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Start Ratima
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Start Ratima
@BerniesCorner said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Start Ratima
This is my philosophy. We have to select positively. I hope Leons departure leads to a sea change.
We have to roll the dice with our potential upsides.
Ratima, Jordan, Roigard in the RWC final.
Pick the team based on posing the other teams problems, dont select based on what problems they will cause us.
Line breaks and pace and having their fatties running back towards their own poles gets us penalties, advantage, and maybe yellow cards for offside or cynical play etc.
We have to get in behind them.
They will lap up a slow scrum half and slow midfield plodders all day.
Lets move them around the pitch, and be in the refs ear about time wasting all week and at every stoppage in the match so as to negate strategic breathers.
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100%
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@Cyclops said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Didn't this happen after Razor's first year at the Crusaders as well?
From memory, LM quit the Crusaders for family reasons after 2017 and was happy just doing NPC. Then he took the Blues job in 2019
@Duluth said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Cyclops said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Didn't this happen after Razor's first year at the Crusaders as well?
From memory, LM quit the Crusaders for family reasons after 2017 and was happy just doing NPC. Then he took the Blues job in 2019
I missed a step in this post
The job LM originally took at the Blues was as an assistant coach. Umaga got sacked not long after and he became the head coach
So his exit from the Crusaders never made sense. He quit as assistant coach for family reasons.. a few months later he takes a different SR assistant coach job
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Kind of feels like we are back in the pre-Henry days before the Henry, Smith, Hanson tidied up the management of the ABs.
Back the Deans/Mitchell period of weirdness.
Some voices from outside of Canterbury would be nice, not even having the Blues Canterbury voice able to work is concerning. All very insular.
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Razor seems to be coming across as a "my way or the highway" type of coach. Coaches with differing views and approaches should be a good thing in a high performance environment really as they should be able to challenge each others ideas.
Not rugby, but I remember reading McCullum's book and he and Hesson had very different approaches to the game; McCullum was all out attack and risk taking, and Hesson was conservative. McCullum said this worked really well as they found a good middle ground where they would play attacking cricket, while reigning in some of the risk taking McCullum was famous for, and they were hugely successful as a result as they were always challenging each other.
I hope Razor is not just surrounding himself with 'yes men' instead of wanting to be challenged by his coaching team on what the best approach is.
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Razor seems to be coming across as a "my way or the highway" type of coach. Coaches with differing views and approaches should be a good thing in a high performance environment really as they should be able to challenge each others ideas.
Not rugby, but I remember reading McCullum's book and he and Hesson had very different approaches to the game; McCullum was all out attack and risk taking, and Hesson was conservative. McCullum said this worked really well as they found a good middle ground where they would play attacking cricket, while reigning in some of the risk taking McCullum was famous for, and they were hugely successful as a result as they were always challenging each other.
I hope Razor is not just surrounding himself with 'yes men' instead of wanting to be challenged by his coaching team on what the best approach is.
@No-Quarter said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
I hope Razor is not just surrounding himself with 'yes men' instead of wanting to be challenged by his coaching team on what the best approach is.
genuine question, but why? Like it or not, the buck stops with the head coach. He's the one who gets judged on the results. If Razor is very clear on how he wants to do things, and wants guys who will support and drive that, then that to me is a good thing. One chef, a bunch of line cooks to take care of the detail.
And if the food sucks, then he gets fired.
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I wonder if the AB performance during Argie test 1 was a major reason for this.
@nostrildamus said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
I wonder if the AB performance during Argie test 1 was a major reason for this.
May not be a direct reason like blaming him , but I remember Ted used to say a loss always makes you look within more at what’s not working well
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@Duluth said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Cyclops said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Didn't this happen after Razor's first year at the Crusaders as well?
From memory, LM quit the Crusaders for family reasons after 2017 and was happy just doing NPC. Then he took the Blues job in 2019
I missed a step in this post
The job LM originally took at the Blues was as an assistant coach. Umaga got sacked not long after and he became the head coach
So his exit from the Crusaders never made sense. He quit as assistant coach for family reasons.. a few months later he takes a different SR assistant coach job
@Duluth said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Duluth said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Cyclops said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Didn't this happen after Razor's first year at the Crusaders as well?
From memory, LM quit the Crusaders for family reasons after 2017 and was happy just doing NPC. Then he took the Blues job in 2019
I missed a step in this post
The job LM originally took at the Blues was as an assistant coach. Umaga got sacked not long after and he became the head coach
So his exit from the Crusaders never made sense. He quit as assistant coach for family reasons.. a few months later he takes a different SR assistant coach job
Unless family reasons meant we have to move to AKL for some reason
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@Duluth said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Duluth said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Cyclops said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Didn't this happen after Razor's first year at the Crusaders as well?
From memory, LM quit the Crusaders for family reasons after 2017 and was happy just doing NPC. Then he took the Blues job in 2019
I missed a step in this post
The job LM originally took at the Blues was as an assistant coach. Umaga got sacked not long after and he became the head coach
So his exit from the Crusaders never made sense. He quit as assistant coach for family reasons.. a few months later he takes a different SR assistant coach job
Unless family reasons meant we have to move to AKL for some reason
@canefan said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Duluth said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Duluth said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Cyclops said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Didn't this happen after Razor's first year at the Crusaders as well?
From memory, LM quit the Crusaders for family reasons after 2017 and was happy just doing NPC. Then he took the Blues job in 2019
I missed a step in this post
The job LM originally took at the Blues was as an assistant coach. Umaga got sacked not long after and he became the head coach
So his exit from the Crusaders never made sense. He quit as assistant coach for family reasons.. a few months later he takes a different SR assistant coach job
Unless family reasons meant we have to move to AKL for some reason
No, he specifically said family reasons that meant staying in Ta$man. His wifes business, kids schools & spending more time with them in general
Clearly that wasn't the reason he left the Crusaders
