Leon MacDonald Quits
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@DaGrubster said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Probably signed an NDA for filthy lucre
If other posters' accounts are true, the guy is not one to say much. Perhaps he just wants to quietly get on with his life and find another gig
@canefan said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@DaGrubster said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Probably signed an NDA for filthy lucre
If other posters' accounts are true, the guy is not one to say much. Perhaps he just wants to quietly get on with his life and find another gig
If he got a payoff, which I am sure he would have, then a compromise agreement will include confidentiality clauses.
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it was probably a sweet deal where Rangi gets to coach the Crusaders with Mark Hammett as his assistant coach.
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@sparky why does he need to say anything?
Its not like Razor has come out and said hes a fluffybunny, a useless coach, players thought he was a twat and needs to defend himself...there doesnt have to be drama
Am sure he will talk about it when he is ready, I expect he is probably quite gutted about what has transpired, but if as Razor has said, things just werent gelling, I am sure he knew that as well.
@taniwharugby said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@sparky why does he need to say anything?
Its not like Razor has come out and said hes a fluffybunny, a useless coach, players thought he was a twat and needs to defend himself...there doesnt have to be drama
Am sure he will talk about it when he is ready, I expect he is probably quite gutted about what has transpired, but if as Razor has said, things just werent gelling, I am sure he knew that as well.
Oh yes there does. Ingrained in NZ male culture and people are addicted to it.
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@Bovidae said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Hinton, Goile, Cull
this one? Quite a few different takes in that article.
@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Bovidae said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Hinton, Goile, Cull
this one? Quite a few different takes in that article.
biggest takeaway from that article is from Cully:
"it again shines an unflattering light on the All Blacks coaching appointment process. MacDonald's hasty exit means his recruitment was a mistake from the outset, and there is a further layer to it.
In the period between Scott Robertson getting the job last year and finalising his coaching team, I contacted Tony Brown to see if he had been approached.
Brown, who has always been a straight-shooter with me, said no but he was available and was looking for a job because his old mate Jamie Joseph had already decided to head back to NZ.
So, the All Blacks might have also missed out on Brown by going with MacDonald − to the Springboks' benefit."
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it was probably a sweet deal where Rangi gets to coach the Crusaders with Mark Hammett as his assistant coach.
@nostrildamus said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
it was probably a sweet deal where Rangi gets to coach the Crusaders with Mark Hammett as his assistant coach.
nah, just bring back Dave Hewitt and Aaron Mauger as forwards and backs coaches to make sure Crusaders don't get close to that bloody trophy for at least a decade, that should do it.
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I get the sense Leon was selected in the coaching team due to a combination of loyalty and optics - with having the Blues coach in the mix helping to diversify the coaching team.
@KiwiMurph said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
I get the sense Leon was selected in the coaching team due to a combination of loyalty and optics - with having the Blues coach in the mix helping to diversify the coaching team.
Not sure the Blues optics meant much at all. The fact that he had been the head coach of the biggest super franchise and had been part of the turnaround would’ve been a consideration far more. Also lets not forget Leon was in the frame pre the Springbok test in 2022, so a combination of getting their man, the previous connection with Razor and the head coaching experience.
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@nostrildamus said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
it was probably a sweet deal where Rangi gets to coach the Crusaders with Mark Hammett as his assistant coach.
nah, just bring back Dave Hewitt and Aaron Mauger as forwards and backs coaches to make sure Crusaders don't get close to that bloody trophy for at least a decade, that should do it.
@darylmitchell said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@nostrildamus said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
it was probably a sweet deal where Rangi gets to coach the Crusaders with Mark Hammett as his assistant coach.
nah, just bring back Dave Hewitt and Aaron Mauger as forwards and backs coaches to make sure Crusaders don't get close to that bloody trophy for at least a decade, that should do it.
Nah nah, time for Toddy to have a redemption tour.
First father and son coach / player combination in NZ Super rugby?
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I get the sense Leon was selected in the coaching team due to a combination of loyalty and optics - with having the Blues coach in the mix helping to diversify the coaching team.
@KiwiMurph said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
I get the sense Leon was selected in the coaching team due to a combination of loyalty and optics - with having the Blues coach in the mix helping to diversify the coaching team.
Tony Brown would've been better for the optics, no association to the Sadists, a true Otago man.
Razor has created a public perception that rightly or wrongly - he only goes with who he knows, he's also emanating some serious Eddie Jones vibes with his cycling through of coaches and fallouts with his assistants, Crusaders went through a lot of assistants over Razor's 7 years, and many left after 1-2 seasons (Mooar, MacDonald, Mark Jones) didn't seem like a very settled coaching group to me.
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@KiwiMurph said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
I get the sense Leon was selected in the coaching team due to a combination of loyalty and optics - with having the Blues coach in the mix helping to diversify the coaching team.
Tony Brown would've been better for the optics, no association to the Sadists, a true Otago man.
Razor has created a public perception that rightly or wrongly - he only goes with who he knows, he's also emanating some serious Eddie Jones vibes with his cycling through of coaches and fallouts with his assistants, Crusaders went through a lot of assistants over Razor's 7 years, and many left after 1-2 seasons (Mooar, MacDonald, Mark Jones) didn't seem like a very settled coaching group to me.
@darylmitchell there’s been a lot of SR assistant coach turnover over the last decade across the board because often those coaches are the target of either overseas gigs or NPC head coach roles. Especially the teams that have had a little bit of success.
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@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Bovidae said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Hinton, Goile, Cull
this one? Quite a few different takes in that article.
biggest takeaway from that article is from Cully:
"it again shines an unflattering light on the All Blacks coaching appointment process. MacDonald's hasty exit means his recruitment was a mistake from the outset, and there is a further layer to it.
In the period between Scott Robertson getting the job last year and finalising his coaching team, I contacted Tony Brown to see if he had been approached.
Brown, who has always been a straight-shooter with me, said no but he was available and was looking for a job because his old mate Jamie Joseph had already decided to head back to NZ.
So, the All Blacks might have also missed out on Brown by going with MacDonald − to the Springboks' benefit."
@darylmitchell said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Bovidae said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Hinton, Goile, Cull
this one? Quite a few different takes in that article.
biggest takeaway from that article is from Cully:
"it again shines an unflattering light on the All Blacks coaching appointment process. MacDonald's hasty exit means his recruitment was a mistake from the outset, and there is a further layer to it.
In the period between Scott Robertson getting the job last year and finalising his coaching team, I contacted Tony Brown to see if he had been approached.
Brown, who has always been a straight-shooter with me, said no but he was available and was looking for a job because his old mate Jamie Joseph had already decided to head back to NZ.
So, the All Blacks might have also missed out on Brown by going with MacDonald − to the Springboks' benefit."
Jesus that makes you sick
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@KiwiMurph said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
I get the sense Leon was selected in the coaching team due to a combination of loyalty and optics - with having the Blues coach in the mix helping to diversify the coaching team.
Not sure the Blues optics meant much at all. The fact that he had been the head coach of the biggest super franchise and had been part of the turnaround would’ve been a consideration far more. Also lets not forget Leon was in the frame pre the Springbok test in 2022, so a combination of getting their man, the previous connection with Razor and the head coaching experience.
@ACT-Crusader said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@KiwiMurph said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
I get the sense Leon was selected in the coaching team due to a combination of loyalty and optics - with having the Blues coach in the mix helping to diversify the coaching team.
Not sure the Blues optics meant much at all. The fact that he had been the head coach of the biggest super franchise and had been part of the turnaround would’ve been a consideration far more. Also lets not forget Leon was in the frame pre the Springbok test in 2022, so a combination of getting their man, the previous connection with Razor and the head coaching experience.
Yeah, he's still a bloody Crusader.
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@darylmitchell said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@nostrildamus said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
it was probably a sweet deal where Rangi gets to coach the Crusaders with Mark Hammett as his assistant coach.
nah, just bring back Dave Hewitt and Aaron Mauger as forwards and backs coaches to make sure Crusaders don't get close to that bloody trophy for at least a decade, that should do it.
Nah nah, time for Toddy to have a redemption tour.
First father and son coach / player combination in NZ Super rugby?
@ACT-Crusader said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@darylmitchell said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@nostrildamus said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
it was probably a sweet deal where Rangi gets to coach the Crusaders with Mark Hammett as his assistant coach.
nah, just bring back Dave Hewitt and Aaron Mauger as forwards and backs coaches to make sure Crusaders don't get close to that bloody trophy for at least a decade, that should do it.
Nah nah, time for Toddy to have a redemption tour.
First father and son coach / player combination in NZ Super rugby?
I’ve heard even Todd reckons Ethan Blackadder is massively overrated
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Has there been any word who is replacing Rangi as outside back coach? Or does Razor agree with me that the coaching group was/is a bit big??:winking_face_with_tongue:
@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Has there been any word who is replacing Rangi as outside back coach? Or does Razor agree with me that the coaching group was/is a bit big??:winking_face_with_tongue:
He's already said they will share the load
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@darylmitchell said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Bovidae said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Hinton, Goile, Cull
this one? Quite a few different takes in that article.
biggest takeaway from that article is from Cully:
"it again shines an unflattering light on the All Blacks coaching appointment process. MacDonald's hasty exit means his recruitment was a mistake from the outset, and there is a further layer to it.
In the period between Scott Robertson getting the job last year and finalising his coaching team, I contacted Tony Brown to see if he had been approached.
Brown, who has always been a straight-shooter with me, said no but he was available and was looking for a job because his old mate Jamie Joseph had already decided to head back to NZ.
So, the All Blacks might have also missed out on Brown by going with MacDonald − to the Springboks' benefit."
Jesus that makes you sick
@Machpants is a tough one really, I mean i have no issues with the head coach wanting to pit together his coaching team and expect Leon was always top of Razors list, meaning he was likely not gonna go to the likes of Brown unless Leon knocked him back.
That said, I expect the whole point of the coach putting his team together is to avoid what happened with Fozzie and now Leon.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@KiwiMurph said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
I get the sense Leon was selected in the coaching team due to a combination of loyalty and optics - with having the Blues coach in the mix helping to diversify the coaching team.
Not sure the Blues optics meant much at all. The fact that he had been the head coach of the biggest super franchise and had been part of the turnaround would’ve been a consideration far more. Also lets not forget Leon was in the frame pre the Springbok test in 2022, so a combination of getting their man, the previous connection with Razor and the head coaching experience.
Yeah, he's still a bloody Crusader.
@Nepia said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@ACT-Crusader said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@KiwiMurph said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
I get the sense Leon was selected in the coaching team due to a combination of loyalty and optics - with having the Blues coach in the mix helping to diversify the coaching team.
Not sure the Blues optics meant much at all. The fact that he had been the head coach of the biggest super franchise and had been part of the turnaround would’ve been a consideration far more. Also lets not forget Leon was in the frame pre the Springbok test in 2022, so a combination of getting their man, the previous connection with Razor and the head coaching experience.
Yeah, he's still a bloody Crusader.
Exactly. There’s no hiding that fact.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@darylmitchell said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@nostrildamus said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
it was probably a sweet deal where Rangi gets to coach the Crusaders with Mark Hammett as his assistant coach.
nah, just bring back Dave Hewitt and Aaron Mauger as forwards and backs coaches to make sure Crusaders don't get close to that bloody trophy for at least a decade, that should do it.
Nah nah, time for Toddy to have a redemption tour.
First father and son coach / player combination in NZ Super rugby?
I’ve heard even Todd reckons Ethan Blackadder is massively overrated
@MN5 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@ACT-Crusader said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@darylmitchell said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@nostrildamus said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
it was probably a sweet deal where Rangi gets to coach the Crusaders with Mark Hammett as his assistant coach.
nah, just bring back Dave Hewitt and Aaron Mauger as forwards and backs coaches to make sure Crusaders don't get close to that bloody trophy for at least a decade, that should do it.
Nah nah, time for Toddy to have a redemption tour.
First father and son coach / player combination in NZ Super rugby?
I’ve heard even Todd reckons Ethan Blackadder is massively overrated
No that’s not true at all. Toddy reckons Ethan is excellent and one of the top loose forwards in NZ, especially when he plays the three games a season.
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@MN5 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@ACT-Crusader said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@darylmitchell said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@nostrildamus said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
it was probably a sweet deal where Rangi gets to coach the Crusaders with Mark Hammett as his assistant coach.
nah, just bring back Dave Hewitt and Aaron Mauger as forwards and backs coaches to make sure Crusaders don't get close to that bloody trophy for at least a decade, that should do it.
Nah nah, time for Toddy to have a redemption tour.
First father and son coach / player combination in NZ Super rugby?
I’ve heard even Todd reckons Ethan Blackadder is massively overrated
No that’s not true at all. Toddy reckons Ethan is excellent and one of the top loose forwards in NZ, especially when he plays the three games a season.
@ACT-Crusader said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@MN5 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@ACT-Crusader said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@darylmitchell said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@nostrildamus said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
it was probably a sweet deal where Rangi gets to coach the Crusaders with Mark Hammett as his assistant coach.
nah, just bring back Dave Hewitt and Aaron Mauger as forwards and backs coaches to make sure Crusaders don't get close to that bloody trophy for at least a decade, that should do it.
Nah nah, time for Toddy to have a redemption tour.
First father and son coach / player combination in NZ Super rugby?
I’ve heard even Todd reckons Ethan Blackadder is massively overrated
No that’s not true at all. Toddy reckons Ethan is excellent and one of the top loose forwards in NZ, especially when he plays the three games a season.
If only Razor knew Waisaki Sotutu and Eddie ( thanks Google ) Ioane just a bit better huh ?
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@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Has there been any word who is replacing Rangi as outside back coach? Or does Razor agree with me that the coaching group was/is a bit big??:winking_face_with_tongue:
He's already said they will share the load
@canefan said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Has there been any word who is replacing Rangi as outside back coach? Or does Razor agree with me that the coaching group was/is a bit big??:winking_face_with_tongue:
He's already said they will share the load
Ok so they had too many obviously.
