Leon MacDonald Quits
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I get the sense Leon was selected in the coaching team due to a combination of loyalty and optics - with having the Blues coach in the mix helping to diversify the coaching team.
@KiwiMurph said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
I get the sense Leon was selected in the coaching team due to a combination of loyalty and optics - with having the Blues coach in the mix helping to diversify the coaching team.
Tony Brown would've been better for the optics, no association to the Sadists, a true Otago man.
Razor has created a public perception that rightly or wrongly - he only goes with who he knows, he's also emanating some serious Eddie Jones vibes with his cycling through of coaches and fallouts with his assistants, Crusaders went through a lot of assistants over Razor's 7 years, and many left after 1-2 seasons (Mooar, MacDonald, Mark Jones) didn't seem like a very settled coaching group to me.
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@KiwiMurph said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
I get the sense Leon was selected in the coaching team due to a combination of loyalty and optics - with having the Blues coach in the mix helping to diversify the coaching team.
Tony Brown would've been better for the optics, no association to the Sadists, a true Otago man.
Razor has created a public perception that rightly or wrongly - he only goes with who he knows, he's also emanating some serious Eddie Jones vibes with his cycling through of coaches and fallouts with his assistants, Crusaders went through a lot of assistants over Razor's 7 years, and many left after 1-2 seasons (Mooar, MacDonald, Mark Jones) didn't seem like a very settled coaching group to me.
@darylmitchell there’s been a lot of SR assistant coach turnover over the last decade across the board because often those coaches are the target of either overseas gigs or NPC head coach roles. Especially the teams that have had a little bit of success.
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@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Bovidae said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Hinton, Goile, Cull
this one? Quite a few different takes in that article.
biggest takeaway from that article is from Cully:
"it again shines an unflattering light on the All Blacks coaching appointment process. MacDonald's hasty exit means his recruitment was a mistake from the outset, and there is a further layer to it.
In the period between Scott Robertson getting the job last year and finalising his coaching team, I contacted Tony Brown to see if he had been approached.
Brown, who has always been a straight-shooter with me, said no but he was available and was looking for a job because his old mate Jamie Joseph had already decided to head back to NZ.
So, the All Blacks might have also missed out on Brown by going with MacDonald − to the Springboks' benefit."
@darylmitchell said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Bovidae said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Hinton, Goile, Cull
this one? Quite a few different takes in that article.
biggest takeaway from that article is from Cully:
"it again shines an unflattering light on the All Blacks coaching appointment process. MacDonald's hasty exit means his recruitment was a mistake from the outset, and there is a further layer to it.
In the period between Scott Robertson getting the job last year and finalising his coaching team, I contacted Tony Brown to see if he had been approached.
Brown, who has always been a straight-shooter with me, said no but he was available and was looking for a job because his old mate Jamie Joseph had already decided to head back to NZ.
So, the All Blacks might have also missed out on Brown by going with MacDonald − to the Springboks' benefit."
Jesus that makes you sick
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@KiwiMurph said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
I get the sense Leon was selected in the coaching team due to a combination of loyalty and optics - with having the Blues coach in the mix helping to diversify the coaching team.
Not sure the Blues optics meant much at all. The fact that he had been the head coach of the biggest super franchise and had been part of the turnaround would’ve been a consideration far more. Also lets not forget Leon was in the frame pre the Springbok test in 2022, so a combination of getting their man, the previous connection with Razor and the head coaching experience.
@ACT-Crusader said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@KiwiMurph said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
I get the sense Leon was selected in the coaching team due to a combination of loyalty and optics - with having the Blues coach in the mix helping to diversify the coaching team.
Not sure the Blues optics meant much at all. The fact that he had been the head coach of the biggest super franchise and had been part of the turnaround would’ve been a consideration far more. Also lets not forget Leon was in the frame pre the Springbok test in 2022, so a combination of getting their man, the previous connection with Razor and the head coaching experience.
Yeah, he's still a bloody Crusader.
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@darylmitchell said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@nostrildamus said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
it was probably a sweet deal where Rangi gets to coach the Crusaders with Mark Hammett as his assistant coach.
nah, just bring back Dave Hewitt and Aaron Mauger as forwards and backs coaches to make sure Crusaders don't get close to that bloody trophy for at least a decade, that should do it.
Nah nah, time for Toddy to have a redemption tour.
First father and son coach / player combination in NZ Super rugby?
@ACT-Crusader said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@darylmitchell said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@nostrildamus said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
it was probably a sweet deal where Rangi gets to coach the Crusaders with Mark Hammett as his assistant coach.
nah, just bring back Dave Hewitt and Aaron Mauger as forwards and backs coaches to make sure Crusaders don't get close to that bloody trophy for at least a decade, that should do it.
Nah nah, time for Toddy to have a redemption tour.
First father and son coach / player combination in NZ Super rugby?
I’ve heard even Todd reckons Ethan Blackadder is massively overrated
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Has there been any word who is replacing Rangi as outside back coach? Or does Razor agree with me that the coaching group was/is a bit big??:winking_face_with_tongue:
@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Has there been any word who is replacing Rangi as outside back coach? Or does Razor agree with me that the coaching group was/is a bit big??:winking_face_with_tongue:
He's already said they will share the load
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@darylmitchell said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Bovidae said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Hinton, Goile, Cull
this one? Quite a few different takes in that article.
biggest takeaway from that article is from Cully:
"it again shines an unflattering light on the All Blacks coaching appointment process. MacDonald's hasty exit means his recruitment was a mistake from the outset, and there is a further layer to it.
In the period between Scott Robertson getting the job last year and finalising his coaching team, I contacted Tony Brown to see if he had been approached.
Brown, who has always been a straight-shooter with me, said no but he was available and was looking for a job because his old mate Jamie Joseph had already decided to head back to NZ.
So, the All Blacks might have also missed out on Brown by going with MacDonald − to the Springboks' benefit."
Jesus that makes you sick
@Machpants is a tough one really, I mean i have no issues with the head coach wanting to pit together his coaching team and expect Leon was always top of Razors list, meaning he was likely not gonna go to the likes of Brown unless Leon knocked him back.
That said, I expect the whole point of the coach putting his team together is to avoid what happened with Fozzie and now Leon.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@KiwiMurph said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
I get the sense Leon was selected in the coaching team due to a combination of loyalty and optics - with having the Blues coach in the mix helping to diversify the coaching team.
Not sure the Blues optics meant much at all. The fact that he had been the head coach of the biggest super franchise and had been part of the turnaround would’ve been a consideration far more. Also lets not forget Leon was in the frame pre the Springbok test in 2022, so a combination of getting their man, the previous connection with Razor and the head coaching experience.
Yeah, he's still a bloody Crusader.
@Nepia said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@ACT-Crusader said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@KiwiMurph said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
I get the sense Leon was selected in the coaching team due to a combination of loyalty and optics - with having the Blues coach in the mix helping to diversify the coaching team.
Not sure the Blues optics meant much at all. The fact that he had been the head coach of the biggest super franchise and had been part of the turnaround would’ve been a consideration far more. Also lets not forget Leon was in the frame pre the Springbok test in 2022, so a combination of getting their man, the previous connection with Razor and the head coaching experience.
Yeah, he's still a bloody Crusader.
Exactly. There’s no hiding that fact.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@darylmitchell said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@nostrildamus said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
it was probably a sweet deal where Rangi gets to coach the Crusaders with Mark Hammett as his assistant coach.
nah, just bring back Dave Hewitt and Aaron Mauger as forwards and backs coaches to make sure Crusaders don't get close to that bloody trophy for at least a decade, that should do it.
Nah nah, time for Toddy to have a redemption tour.
First father and son coach / player combination in NZ Super rugby?
I’ve heard even Todd reckons Ethan Blackadder is massively overrated
@MN5 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@ACT-Crusader said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@darylmitchell said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@nostrildamus said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
it was probably a sweet deal where Rangi gets to coach the Crusaders with Mark Hammett as his assistant coach.
nah, just bring back Dave Hewitt and Aaron Mauger as forwards and backs coaches to make sure Crusaders don't get close to that bloody trophy for at least a decade, that should do it.
Nah nah, time for Toddy to have a redemption tour.
First father and son coach / player combination in NZ Super rugby?
I’ve heard even Todd reckons Ethan Blackadder is massively overrated
No that’s not true at all. Toddy reckons Ethan is excellent and one of the top loose forwards in NZ, especially when he plays the three games a season.
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@MN5 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@ACT-Crusader said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@darylmitchell said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@nostrildamus said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
it was probably a sweet deal where Rangi gets to coach the Crusaders with Mark Hammett as his assistant coach.
nah, just bring back Dave Hewitt and Aaron Mauger as forwards and backs coaches to make sure Crusaders don't get close to that bloody trophy for at least a decade, that should do it.
Nah nah, time for Toddy to have a redemption tour.
First father and son coach / player combination in NZ Super rugby?
I’ve heard even Todd reckons Ethan Blackadder is massively overrated
No that’s not true at all. Toddy reckons Ethan is excellent and one of the top loose forwards in NZ, especially when he plays the three games a season.
@ACT-Crusader said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@MN5 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@ACT-Crusader said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@darylmitchell said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@nostrildamus said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
it was probably a sweet deal where Rangi gets to coach the Crusaders with Mark Hammett as his assistant coach.
nah, just bring back Dave Hewitt and Aaron Mauger as forwards and backs coaches to make sure Crusaders don't get close to that bloody trophy for at least a decade, that should do it.
Nah nah, time for Toddy to have a redemption tour.
First father and son coach / player combination in NZ Super rugby?
I’ve heard even Todd reckons Ethan Blackadder is massively overrated
No that’s not true at all. Toddy reckons Ethan is excellent and one of the top loose forwards in NZ, especially when he plays the three games a season.
If only Razor knew Waisaki Sotutu and Eddie ( thanks Google ) Ioane just a bit better huh ?
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@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Has there been any word who is replacing Rangi as outside back coach? Or does Razor agree with me that the coaching group was/is a bit big??:winking_face_with_tongue:
He's already said they will share the load
@canefan said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Has there been any word who is replacing Rangi as outside back coach? Or does Razor agree with me that the coaching group was/is a bit big??:winking_face_with_tongue:
He's already said they will share the load
Ok so they had too many obviously.
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@canefan said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Has there been any word who is replacing Rangi as outside back coach? Or does Razor agree with me that the coaching group was/is a bit big??:winking_face_with_tongue:
He's already said they will share the load
Ok so they had too many obviously.
@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@canefan said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Has there been any word who is replacing Rangi as outside back coach? Or does Razor agree with me that the coaching group was/is a bit big??:winking_face_with_tongue:
He's already said they will share the load
Ok so they had too many obviously.
Yes and no. Maybe they just feel it's too late to add another coach this season. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing. It is what it is
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@canefan said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Has there been any word who is replacing Rangi as outside back coach? Or does Razor agree with me that the coaching group was/is a bit big??:winking_face_with_tongue:
He's already said they will share the load
Ok so they had too many obviously.
@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@canefan said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Has there been any word who is replacing Rangi as outside back coach? Or does Razor agree with me that the coaching group was/is a bit big??:winking_face_with_tongue:
He's already said they will share the load
Ok so they had too many obviously.
No.
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@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Has there been any word who is replacing Rangi as outside back coach? Or does Razor agree with me that the coaching group was/is a bit big??:winking_face_with_tongue:
He's already said they will share the load
@canefan said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Has there been any word who is replacing Rangi as outside back coach? Or does Razor agree with me that the coaching group was/is a bit big??:winking_face_with_tongue:
He's already said they will share the load
Sorry but that immediately made me think about the "carry his load" scene from Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
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@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Bovidae said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Hinton, Goile, Cull
this one? Quite a few different takes in that article.
biggest takeaway from that article is from Cully:
"it again shines an unflattering light on the All Blacks coaching appointment process. MacDonald's hasty exit means his recruitment was a mistake from the outset, and there is a further layer to it.
In the period between Scott Robertson getting the job last year and finalising his coaching team, I contacted Tony Brown to see if he had been approached.
Brown, who has always been a straight-shooter with me, said no but he was available and was looking for a job because his old mate Jamie Joseph had already decided to head back to NZ.
So, the All Blacks might have also missed out on Brown by going with MacDonald − to the Springboks' benefit."
@darylmitchell said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Bovidae said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Hinton, Goile, Cull
this one? Quite a few different takes in that article.
biggest takeaway from that article is from Cully:
"it again shines an unflattering light on the All Blacks coaching appointment process. MacDonald's hasty exit means his recruitment was a mistake from the outset, and there is a further layer to it.
In the period between Scott Robertson getting the job last year and finalising his coaching team, I contacted Tony Brown to see if he had been approached.
Brown, who has always been a straight-shooter with me, said no but he was available and was looking for a job because his old mate Jamie Joseph had already decided to head back to NZ.
So, the All Blacks might have also missed out on Brown by going with MacDonald − to the Springboks' benefit."
Oh my oh my.
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@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@canefan said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Has there been any word who is replacing Rangi as outside back coach? Or does Razor agree with me that the coaching group was/is a bit big??:winking_face_with_tongue:
He's already said they will share the load
Ok so they had too many obviously.
Yes and no. Maybe they just feel it's too late to add another coach this season. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing. It is what it is
@canefan said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@canefan said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Has there been any word who is replacing Rangi as outside back coach? Or does Razor agree with me that the coaching group was/is a bit big??:winking_face_with_tongue:
He's already said they will share the load
Ok so they had too many obviously.
Yes and no. Maybe they just feel it's too late to add another coach this season. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing. It is what it is
Not even halfway through the season, but genuinely don't think they will replace him.
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@darylmitchell said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Bovidae said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Hinton, Goile, Cull
this one? Quite a few different takes in that article.
biggest takeaway from that article is from Cully:
"it again shines an unflattering light on the All Blacks coaching appointment process. MacDonald's hasty exit means his recruitment was a mistake from the outset, and there is a further layer to it.
In the period between Scott Robertson getting the job last year and finalising his coaching team, I contacted Tony Brown to see if he had been approached.
Brown, who has always been a straight-shooter with me, said no but he was available and was looking for a job because his old mate Jamie Joseph had already decided to head back to NZ.
So, the All Blacks might have also missed out on Brown by going with MacDonald − to the Springboks' benefit."
Jesus that makes you sick
@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@canefan said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@canefan said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Has there been any word who is replacing Rangi as outside back coach? Or does Razor agree with me that the coaching group was/is a bit big??:winking_face_with_tongue:
He's already said they will share the load
Ok so they had too many obviously.
Yes and no. Maybe they just feel it's too late to add another coach this season. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing. It is what it is
Not even halfway through the season, but genuinely don't think they will replace him.
But they haven't said they won't replace him in the long term, Ellison is being lined up for Crusaders job in 2026, best case scenario is Byleendal comes back from Leinster in 2 years, or ask Nick Evans if he's keen.
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@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@canefan said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@canefan said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Has there been any word who is replacing Rangi as outside back coach? Or does Razor agree with me that the coaching group was/is a bit big??:winking_face_with_tongue:
He's already said they will share the load
Ok so they had too many obviously.
Yes and no. Maybe they just feel it's too late to add another coach this season. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing. It is what it is
Not even halfway through the season, but genuinely don't think they will replace him.
But they haven't said they won't replace him in the long term, Ellison is being lined up for Crusaders job in 2026, best case scenario is Byleendal comes back from Leinster in 2 years, or ask Nick Evans if he's keen.
@darylmitchell said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@canefan said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@canefan said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
@Dan54 said in Leon MacDonald Quits:
Has there been any word who is replacing Rangi as outside back coach? Or does Razor agree with me that the coaching group was/is a bit big??:winking_face_with_tongue:
He's already said they will share the load
Ok so they had too many obviously.
Yes and no. Maybe they just feel it's too late to add another coach this season. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing. It is what it is
Not even halfway through the season, but genuinely don't think they will replace him.
But they haven't said they won't replace him in the long term, Ellison is being lined up for Crusaders job in 2026, best case scenario is Byleendal comes back from Leinster in 2 years, or ask Nick Evans if he's keen.
I bet they don't replace him with same thing. They may actually have use for another skills coach at some stage, but will not have someone who will set tactics . But anyway we will know more eventually.
