Springboks vs All Blacks 2
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@African-Monkey said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@OomPB said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Billy-Webb We havent won since 2005 in Cape Town, with Willie and Pollard back I will make the All Blacks the favorites. Glad Moodie got the nod. Kitshoff, BJD & Mapimpi straight back in CC this weekend.
Remember that game well. We had just come off the Lions tour and Matfield hit Kelleher with a big swinging arm and late. Kelleher was dazed but stayed on and threw a wild pass that was intercepted. Then he went off and we bought on a young Weepu who was only playing his second test.
Mils started on the left wing for the first (and only) time in his test career. DC had one of his worst tests too.
When rotation was in full swing (and worked well tbf).
Leon MacDonald started the next test between the sides in Dunedin at 10 if memory serves me right.
I think the peak of rotation started in 2006 - the whole 2 sides etc.
It was a little left field Mils starting there given he hadn’t played wing for the ABs prior. I don’t get too worked up when I see coaches trying stuff like that.
Rangi played 10 in the next fixture against the Boks but that was 3 weeks after this one. I think DC got injured in one of the Aussie matches in between those two Bok matches
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@African-Monkey said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@OomPB said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Billy-Webb We havent won since 2005 in Cape Town, with Willie and Pollard back I will make the All Blacks the favorites. Glad Moodie got the nod. Kitshoff, BJD & Mapimpi straight back in CC this weekend.
Remember that game well. We had just come off the Lions tour and Matfield hit Kelleher with a big swinging arm and late. Kelleher was dazed but stayed on and threw a wild pass that was intercepted. Then he went off and we bought on a young Weepu who was only playing his second test.
Mils started on the left wing for the first (and only) time in his test career. DC had one of his worst tests too.
When rotation was in full swing (and worked well tbf).
Leon MacDonald started the next test between the sides in Dunedin at 10 if memory serves me right.
I think the peak of rotation started in 2006 - the whole 2 sides etc.
It was a little left field Mils starting there given he hadn’t played wing for the ABs prior. I don’t get too worked up when I see coaches trying stuff like that.
Rangi played 10 in the next fixture against the Boks but that was 3 weeks after this one. I think DC got injured in one of the Aussie matches in between those two Bok matches
Yeah Carter broke his leg against the Wallabies in Sydney.
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@brodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Ryan's criteria seems a bit random.
Seemingly Ioane, Sotutu, Finau and Papali'i aren't worth developing further but Frizell was.
The worst thing about Ryan and his love in for the thug is he's mentioned wanting him back even after watching the RWC final.
@Nepia said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@brodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Ryan's criteria seems a bit random.
Seemingly Ioane, Sotutu, Finau and Papali'i aren't worth developing further but Frizell was.
The worst thing about Ryan and his love in for the thug is he's mentioned wanting him back even after watching the RWC final.
Ah but one successful tackle in a RWC final is infinitybazillion times more than many current loosies. Ergo better player
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@brodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Blackadder lacks the physicality of Kaino, Read, Messam, Vito, Squire, Luatua, Fifita, Hemopo, Ioane, Jacobson and Frizell.
You have to go back to Adam Thompson to get the same lack of physicality. At least Thompson won turnovers, had genuine pace, and was a seriously good lineout operator.
Elliot Dixon, Stephen Bates, Angus McDonald and ( most of all ) Rueben Thorne must feel stink reading this
I thought of Elliot Dixon but the rest were too far back. Elliot Dixon is only 35.
There's been a tonne of squandered talent at blindside so I'm a bit miffed that the current regime are sinking so much into Blackadder who's barely played much rugby at 29 because he's always injured.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
It’s the chip kicks that killed us. The same chips that killed us when McAlister and Mauger rarely made it happen.
Exactly and we have done them for years, so it must be by design and it utterly rips my shit
@Machpants said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
It’s the chip kicks that killed us. The same chips that killed us when McAlister and Mauger rarely made it happen.
Exactly and we have done them for years, so it must be by design and it utterly rips my shit
I don’t think it’s by design as in some AB coach is saying, hey chip kick it. But there is a natural flair to it. Things you’ve tried in the backyard since you were a boy and then as you move up you try it some more. We’ve seen at super level over years.
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I thought of Elliot Dixon but the rest were too far back. Elliot Dixon is only 35.
There's been a tonne of squandered talent at blindside so I'm a bit miffed that the current regime are sinking so much into Blackadder who's barely played much rugby at 29 because he's always injured.
@brodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
I thought of Elliot Dixon but the rest were too far back. Elliot Dixon is only 35.
There's been a tonne of squandered talent at blindside so I'm a bit miffed that the current regime are sinking so much into Blackadder who's barely played much rugby at 29 because he's always injured.
A tonne squandered? Hyper-bowl
There’s probably 1 or 2 players (max) that could’ve been persisted with in the last 20 years. The rest fall into the category of unlucky timing, not quite there or form/injury issues.
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@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
The comparison of Blackadder to Adam Thomson is a pretty good one. Bit of a star at Super level, bit of a lightweight at test level.
Yeah I think @MN5 made the comparison not long ago. Not the worst comparison.
@African-Monkey said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
The comparison of Blackadder to Adam Thomson is a pretty good one. Bit of a star at Super level, bit of a lightweight at test level.
Yeah I think @MN5 made the comparison not long ago. Not the worst comparison.
Broken clocks etc
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From a mate, which I posted back in early June
Blackadder debuted in 2018 and has played 7 seasons of Super. He's played 42 Super games. There are two seasons where he has played more than 5 matches.
@nzzp said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
From a mate, which I posted back in early June
Blackadder debuted in 2018 and has played 7 seasons of Super. He's played 42 Super games. There are two seasons where he has played more than 5 matches.
and apparently 26 months since he played 4 games in a row.
I haven't checked this stat, but it sounds plausible
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@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@KiwiMurph said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
This AB pack is starting to remind me of 99-01 AB era packs
Undersized try hards.
That were superior to the SA forwards for the majority of the first game.
ABs were also bigger.
We are not a small side, regardless of how strongly that myth is embedded.
@Chester-Draws said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@KiwiMurph said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
This AB pack is starting to remind me of 99-01 AB era packs
Undersized try hards.
That were superior to the SA forwards for the majority of the first game.
ABs were also bigger.
We are not a small side, regardless of how strongly that myth is embedded.
We are not small, but we play small. The way our pack carts the ball - flat-footed, trying to put on a step, and then power through a weak shoulder - could not be more different than what the best - RSA, Ireland, France - are doing - running onto the ball at pace and using momentum and plan physics to get over the advantage line.
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On Sititi, the guy has FAB written all over him, including the captaincy. The 'F' is the most import letter in that acronym though, I just hope like hell he plays well, it's a huge gamble and one that didn't have to be taken if they got the initial squad selection right.
@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
On Sititi, the guy has FAB written all over him, including the captaincy. The 'F' is the most import letter in that acronym though, I just hope like hell he plays well, it's a huge gamble and one that didn't have to be taken if they got the initial squad selection right.
pedant alert
Given he has already played for the ABs that acronym is redundant, I think what you meant was FABG...
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@Chester-Draws said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@KiwiMurph said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
This AB pack is starting to remind me of 99-01 AB era packs
Undersized try hards.
That were superior to the SA forwards for the majority of the first game.
ABs were also bigger.
We are not a small side, regardless of how strongly that myth is embedded.
We are not small, but we play small. The way our pack carts the ball - flat-footed, trying to put on a step, and then power through a weak shoulder - could not be more different than what the best - RSA, Ireland, France - are doing - running onto the ball at pace and using momentum and plan physics to get over the advantage line.
@junior said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Chester-Draws said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@KiwiMurph said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
This AB pack is starting to remind me of 99-01 AB era packs
Undersized try hards.
That were superior to the SA forwards for the majority of the first game.
ABs were also bigger.
We are not a small side, regardless of how strongly that myth is embedded.
We are not small, but we play small. The way our pack carts the ball - flat-footed, trying to put on a step, and then power through a weak shoulder - could not be more different than what the best - RSA, Ireland, France - are doing - running onto the ball at pace and using momentum and plan physics to get over the advantage line.
I was watching this last weekend trying to figure out why. All I can think is we're trying to play safe with the ball while also forcing the opposition to do all the work on defence. We make them come to us instead of going to them, I assume with the theory we get more secure ball and they tire out quicker.
But yeah it's not really working when our bench comes on and pretend they're in some unimportant exhibition match eh.
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@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
How about Perofeta at 15? He seemed ok there for the ABs I thought..
me too, it really bugs me when these guys get a shot...actually do well...but are forgotten as soon as the first choice is free again, shows a rigidity and makes me question how much the coaches are actually making decisions based on what they see on the field or rather just sticking to their preseason plans regardless
@Kiwiwomble said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
How about Perofeta at 15? He seemed ok there for the ABs I thought..
me too, it really bugs me when these guys get a shot...actually do well...but are forgotten as soon as the first choice is free again, shows a rigidity and makes me question how much the coaches are actually making decisions based on what they see on the field or rather just sticking to their preseason plans regardless
I thought Perofeta did really well. I'd have him in the side and remove a wing.
These days wingers are not so high profile with rush defences and highly skilled back defenders.
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@pakman said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Brandon said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Some fragility there. Lineout will be under pressure if Nortje doesn’t go full 80. If a lock needs replacing and Kolisi plays the usual 60, Wiese will have to play the full 80.
What do you reckon they're thinking about our lineout with one small lock, and 3 small loosies, with another small loosie on the bench?
@reprobate said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@pakman said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Brandon said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Some fragility there. Lineout will be under pressure if Nortje doesn’t go full 80. If a lock needs replacing and Kolisi plays the usual 60, Wiese will have to play the full 80.
What do you reckon they're thinking about our lineout with one small lock, and 3 small loosies, with another small loosie on the bench?
They will see the back of our lineout as vulnerable.
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@brodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Sititi is an immense talent but realistically he's 7 sized. You could get away with 8.
And then there's Kwagga
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@brodean I have loved the Michael Jones and Ardie Savea type of 7s who are great runners. Richie was not as good but could do a job. Sam Cane in comparison was not good and seems a bit slow but he’s grown on me. He tackles well, and if he hits a heap of rucks then, I think he can do enough to contribute toward a good game for the team. Just don’t expect him to be a great runner.
I’m guessing they are hoping that if South Africa are looking to shut Ardies go forward down, then hopefully Satiti can provide another dynamic running game to split the defence.
@Boston-Boy
While not as fast GOAT contributed more to the win than virtually anybody. On a par with DC.
If DC was fit we probably would have won the WC 2011 in a canter. -
This thread is why we need to bring back tours. Idiots like us need something to distract us in between tests so we don’t end up arguing endlessly about the same bloke and his tackle stats and his perfect doppelgänger
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I was just going to ask, has LJ not played well for the ABs this year? Granted he didn't have many minutes...
@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
I was just going to ask, has LJ not played well for the ABs this year? Granted he didn't have many minutes...
Only started Fiji, which is hard to judge on.
