All Blacks 2024
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Razor is getting some slack and rightly so. Building quite nicely actually.
The next step is to accept some of the incumbents need to be put out to pasture. A few of the subs are so so. -
@Victor-Meldrew he had coached at international level. He got his arse handed to him in 2004 and had to adjust.
Robertson has had his arse handed to him. Now he needs to adjust. Let’s see if he does.
@stodders said in All Blacks 2024:
@Victor-Meldrew he had coached at international level. He got his arse handed to him in 2004 and had to adjust.
Robertson has had his arse handed to him. Now he needs to adjust. Let’s see if he does.
Henry lost 2 games out of 11 in '04 - a 5 point loss in Sydney and a 14 point loss at Ellis Park - so hardly had his arse handed to him. Robertson has to win all his games against Oz, Ireland, England and France to match that.
Now I don't know if Robertson's been unlucky, is adjusting or needs more support, but it's fair to say the jury's out on if he can hack it at Test level.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2024:
@stodders Henry also saw a massive rise than the collapse in Welsh fortunes too in his international career. He would have learned heaps from that. He also had 2 fabulous assistant coaches to drive his message through - and even then, they had to switch roles to get the best out of the playing group. Coaching isn’t easy.
I think Robertson will come right. He isn’t Mitchell and you aren’t on a journey at least
Let's not forget that Henry's ABs fell in RWC07 and he could consider himself lucky to be reappointed based on the standard operating procedure regarding losing RWC coaches of the NZRFU at the time
Yeah we did choke, but it was our performances from 2005 up until that loss which made sense keeping Graham Henry. We had a lean year in 2009, but other than that and the shock 07 loss, we were very dominant.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
Yeah we did choke, but it was our performances from 2005 up until that loss which made sense keeping Graham Henry.
The issue now is we choke every second game we play.
The sort of fight we showed in tough games like against Ireland and Sth Africa in the RWC seems to have vanished.
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I've been thinking...
Jordie and Rieko aren't a good midfield, not creative enough.
Put Jordie and Proctor together.
Try Rieko more with ALB or even (gasp) with Lam, who arguably even as a winger wouldn't have been that bad last night.
Combinations, coaches! -
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
What the fuck is up with the kicking?
We know we have good kickers in the side, we've seen them do it.
Why is DMac taking a shot at goal from 60 when his range is 40? Why do we make so little ground when kicking for touch?
The rest of your post I completely agree with, but why do you keep saying McKenzie's range is 40m when it's not?
He can kick them from 50 comfortably and has done many times in the past. Not a good night off the tee, but to say his range is 40m is just plain wrong.@reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
What the fuck is up with the kicking?
We know we have good kickers in the side, we've seen them do it.
Why is DMac taking a shot at goal from 60 when his range is 40? Why do we make so little ground when kicking for touch?
The rest of your post I completely agree with, but why do you keep saying McKenzie's range is 40m when it's not?
He can kick them from 50 comfortably and has done many times in the past. Not a good night off the tee, but to say his range is 40m is just plain wrong.At test level? When we know Jordie can comfortably cover the distance? At least he only has to worry about direction and not hope he can kick it 20m further than he usually does.
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I've been thinking...
Jordie and Rieko aren't a good midfield, not creative enough.
Put Jordie and Proctor together.
Try Rieko more with ALB or even (gasp) with Lam, who arguably even as a winger wouldn't have been that bad last night.
Combinations, coaches!@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
I've been thinking...
Jordie and Rieko aren't a good midfield, not creative enough.
Put Jordie and Proctor together.
Try Rieko more with ALB or even (gasp) with Lam, who arguably even as a winger wouldn't have been that bad last night.
Combinations, coaches!I'll go one step further. Have a Chiefs - Hurricane combo
7-Cane 8-Sititi 9-Ratima 10-DMac 12-JB 13-Proctor -
@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
I've been thinking...
Jordie and Rieko aren't a good midfield, not creative enough.
Put Jordie and Proctor together.
Try Rieko more with ALB or even (gasp) with Lam, who arguably even as a winger wouldn't have been that bad last night.
Combinations, coaches!I'll go one step further. Have a Chiefs - Hurricane combo
7-Cane 8-Sititi 9-Ratima 10-DMac 12-JB 13-Proctor@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
I've been thinking...
Jordie and Rieko aren't a good midfield, not creative enough.
Put Jordie and Proctor together.
Try Rieko more with ALB or even (gasp) with Lam, who arguably even as a winger wouldn't have been that bad last night.
Combinations, coaches!I'll go one step further. Have a Chiefs - Hurricane combo
7-Cane 8-Sititi 9-Ratima 10-DMac 12-JB 13-ProctorI notice you left out 6!
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
Yeah we did choke, but it was our performances from 2005 up until that loss which made sense keeping Graham Henry.
The issue now is we choke every second game we play.
The sort of fight we showed in tough games like against Ireland and Sth Africa in the RWC seems to have vanished.
@Victor-Meldrew no Smith, Coles, Retallick, Whitelock doesn't help with that.
BB & TJP are not the refuse-to-lose leaders those guys are. One wants to win it with a miracle chip kick every time, and one would rather chirp at the ref than play the game. -
@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
I've been thinking...
Jordie and Rieko aren't a good midfield, not creative enough.
Put Jordie and Proctor together.
Try Rieko more with ALB or even (gasp) with Lam, who arguably even as a winger wouldn't have been that bad last night.
Combinations, coaches!I'll go one step further. Have a Chiefs - Hurricane combo
7-Cane 8-Sititi 9-Ratima 10-DMac 12-JB 13-ProctorI notice you left out 6!
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
What the fuck is up with the kicking?
We know we have good kickers in the side, we've seen them do it.
Why is DMac taking a shot at goal from 60 when his range is 40? Why do we make so little ground when kicking for touch?
The rest of your post I completely agree with, but why do you keep saying McKenzie's range is 40m when it's not?
He can kick them from 50 comfortably and has done many times in the past. Not a good night off the tee, but to say his range is 40m is just plain wrong.At test level? When we know Jordie can comfortably cover the distance? At least he only has to worry about direction and not hope he can kick it 20m further than he usually does.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
What the fuck is up with the kicking?
We know we have good kickers in the side, we've seen them do it.
Why is DMac taking a shot at goal from 60 when his range is 40? Why do we make so little ground when kicking for touch?
The rest of your post I completely agree with, but why do you keep saying McKenzie's range is 40m when it's not?
He can kick them from 50 comfortably and has done many times in the past. Not a good night off the tee, but to say his range is 40m is just plain wrong.At test level? When we know Jordie can comfortably cover the distance? At least he only has to worry about direction and not hope he can kick it 20m further than he usually does.
Is 50m longer at test level?
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@nostrildamus Savea
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024:
@nostrildamus Savea
Ah yes that solves the lineout height problem .. but only from a Hurricane perspective!
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We did alright in the lineouts.
Height is way overstated in importance these days with the lifters available.
You don't catch the ball with your head it's lifters plus wingspan. -
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
What the fuck is up with the kicking?
We know we have good kickers in the side, we've seen them do it.
Why is DMac taking a shot at goal from 60 when his range is 40? Why do we make so little ground when kicking for touch?
The rest of your post I completely agree with, but why do you keep saying McKenzie's range is 40m when it's not?
He can kick them from 50 comfortably and has done many times in the past. Not a good night off the tee, but to say his range is 40m is just plain wrong. -
I haven't read the match thread yet but Robertson needs to take the blame for his poor substitutions. TJP was brought on far too early, and had the exact opposite effect despite all of his experience.
Lomax was subbed too late as he clearly looked gassed before the YC incident.
Looking at the greater squad who now wouldn't prefer Narawa on the right wing? The wrong winger got cut.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
Lomax was subbed too late as he clearly looked gassed before the YC incident.
Agreed.
The fact Tamaiti Williams played until the 68th minute and Lomax still being on in the 72nd minute tells you all you need to know about how they feel about Ofa and Newell in big tests/moments. EDG coming back is a big addition and helps in that regard. I wouldn’t mind never seeing Ofa have another cap in the black jersey.
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I don't get the call for Lam to be added to the midfield. We have yet to see if he can pass the ball effectively.
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If Fozzie was 1/4 in a Rugby Championship would he be allowed back in the country?
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Bottle - whether you have the nerve to take on something.
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
But the experienced heads are letting him down. Barrett kicking the ball away week in week out, McKenzie missing kicks. The captain dropping a pass cold today while hot on attack. Two completely avoidable yellow cards today.
This isn’t aimed at you in particular but it’s a prime example so don’t take this the wrong way.
I don’t think I ever saw these kind of excuses for Foster and poor performances. It’s funny how things change when it suits someone’s narrative lol
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
But the experienced heads are letting him down. Barrett kicking the ball away week in week out, McKenzie missing kicks. The captain dropping a pass cold today while hot on attack. Two completely avoidable yellow cards today.
This isn’t aimed at you in particular but it’s a prime example so don’t take this the wrong way.
I don’t think I ever saw these kind of excuses for Foster and poor performances. It’s funny how things change when it suits someone’s narrative lol
Oh no, its 100% on Razor.
Because he keeps picking them, and/or tells them to do this dumb shit like bombs in our own 22.
The point of my post was that he is at 3 losses already, with Ireland England and France to come.
He has painted himself into a corner.Is he bold enough now to bring in a couple of new guys to do what the old guys cant/wont do.
Razors biggest issue (and biggest shock to me from his tenure so far) is that he is essentially trying to play Razor ball (whatever that is) with Fosters team.
His first squad was Fosters squad. No real bolters. A lot of youth that was drafted in hasnt been used. Tosi, Proctor, Love, Sititi until yesterday. And we wouldnt have seen Darry only for scooter getting injured. We may not have seen Sititi yesterday only for Blackadder being injured.
I dont see that its materially any better than what Foster served up, and he copped plenty of welly from all and sundry.
