All Blacks 2024
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What are the second half goals for these coaches? What's happening at halftime in the sheds?
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
What are the second half goals for these coaches? What's happening at halftime in the sheds?
This much average in the 2nd half is on the coaches and leaders.
Did they pick the wrong captain? Barrett is anonymous and looks like he needs a rest.
Our set piece generally falling apart late in the game is a scandal, but they cant pick their third hooker because he’s almost literally got his learn-to-throw stickers on his back window.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
What are the second half goals for these coaches? What's happening at halftime in the sheds?
This much average in the 2nd half is on the coaches and leaders.
Did they pick the wrong captain? Barrett is anonymous and looks like he needs a rest.
Our set piece generally falling apart late in the game is a scandal, but they cant pick their third hooker because he’s almost literally got his learn-to-throw stickers on his back window.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
Barrett is anonymous and looks like he needs a rest.
Would be pretty gobsmacking if a guy who's hardly played needs a rest. But I wouldn't be surprised....trust is pretty low with this coaching group.
Anyway, thank fuck we won! Bledisloe!
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
Barrett is anonymous and looks like he needs a rest.
Would be pretty gobsmacking if a guy who's hardly played needs a rest. But I wouldn't be surprised....trust is pretty low with this coaching group.
Anyway, thank fuck we won! Bledisloe!
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
Barrett is anonymous and looks like he needs a rest.
Would be pretty gobsmacking if a guy who's hardly played needs a rest. But I wouldn't be surprised....trust is pretty low with this coaching group.
Anyway, thank fuck we won! Bledisloe!
Yeah....woooo!
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I think the reality being discussed here is mostly about our coaching team being so ingrained in super rugby against Australian teams and getting to grips with the differences needed for international rugby against the big guns.
So much online posting, especially away from this forum, seemingly expects us to dominate every match against all international teams and do it by playing the way we do in super rugby.
Give the new coaches a couple of years to mould our players and build new patterns to pressure all our top international opponents. Don't assume that a centre field confrontational Blues forwards approach will dominate South Africa, or that a Hurricanes backline will open up the European guns like super teams.
Why not support the attempts to tweak and develop combo variations so that we can vary our game plan with confidence against stronger international opponents.@ARHS said in All Blacks 2024:
Don't assume that a centre field confrontational Blues forwards approach will dominate South Africa,
I guess I don't assume that it would dominate South Africa. But perhaps that approach would give us a lot more to build from, compared to tonight's latest misfires. Basics first, earn the right to go wide, and all the related rugby clichés...
(Helps that I'll always be a little biased towards Vern after 15 August 2004...)
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Final minute the ABs have scored points in the 2024 Rugby Championship;
Argentina 1: 53'
Argentina 2: 43'
Springboks 1: 53'
Springboks 2: 59'
Aussies 1: 45' -
Final minute the ABs have scored points in the 2024 Rugby Championship;
Argentina 1: 53'
Argentina 2: 43'
Springboks 1: 53'
Springboks 2: 59'
Aussies 1: 45' -
Damning on the team leadership and the guidance provided to them at halftime.
But, we did win the Bledisloe regardless and created a lot of good opportunities.@ARHS said in All Blacks 2024:
Damning on the team leadership and the guidance provided to them at halftime.
But, we did win the Bledisloe regardless and created a lot of good opportunities.Squandered. The word you were looking for was squandered.
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From a grumpy old rugby fan comes this contribution:
The ADHD Blacks
Is Ritalin the best prescription for the compulsively hyperactive, ritually self-destructing 2024 All Blacks?
Clearly, a pattern is emerging. They spend days before each test in media interviews regurgitating vacuous self-help management nostrums about ‘walking toward the pressure’ and ‘embracing the opportunity’ - only to set their dials to full-throttle for 60 minutes on-field before running out of gas.
Perhaps we can put it down to generational change - a break-dancing, surf-riding, Gen-X guru of self-discovery indulging a bunch of over-pampered, over-stimulated, over-praised Gen-Z whizz-kids with a complete deficit of patience, grit or an ability to think on their designer-booted feet.
To me, this looks like attention-deficit, hyperactivity-disorder on the rugby field. It works in flashes as the adrenaline kicks in among the players, eager to impress teacher and add to the highlight reels. Then when the buttons they are pushing on their virtual X-Boxes no longer respond they cave into fits of ill-discipline. “I’m bored now.”
It’s hard to see any grown-up, hard-nosed thinking going on in the AB circles. Perhaps it’s another consequence of what happens when you sell out your culture to US private equity who are all about ‘brand value’ over substance.
Of course, there are the real, practical problems facing the squad - the vacuum left by the departure or retirement of the likes of Whitelock, Retallick, Aaron Smith and Mo’unga, the forced reliance on old warriors past their use-by dates, the absence of impact players off the bench, questions over Scott Barrett’s on-field leadership, questions about poor conditioning and late game fades.
But beyond all that is a suspicion that apart from motivational New Age nostrums about self-expression, there really is little going on below Razor’s sun-bleached locks. If there were, why is his team throwing the same tantrums in every test? It is becoming so predictable - his charges race out of the blocks like men possessed, build a handy lead and then blow it in a flurry of low-percentage miracle passes, Hail Mary high-balls to nowhere and brain-dead ill-discipline.
Are boots applied to backsides anymore, or are the grieving miscreants ‘counselled’ and denied their PlayStations for a day?
Nurse?
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From a grumpy old rugby fan comes this contribution:
The ADHD Blacks
Is Ritalin the best prescription for the compulsively hyperactive, ritually self-destructing 2024 All Blacks?
Clearly, a pattern is emerging. They spend days before each test in media interviews regurgitating vacuous self-help management nostrums about ‘walking toward the pressure’ and ‘embracing the opportunity’ - only to set their dials to full-throttle for 60 minutes on-field before running out of gas.
Perhaps we can put it down to generational change - a break-dancing, surf-riding, Gen-X guru of self-discovery indulging a bunch of over-pampered, over-stimulated, over-praised Gen-Z whizz-kids with a complete deficit of patience, grit or an ability to think on their designer-booted feet.
To me, this looks like attention-deficit, hyperactivity-disorder on the rugby field. It works in flashes as the adrenaline kicks in among the players, eager to impress teacher and add to the highlight reels. Then when the buttons they are pushing on their virtual X-Boxes no longer respond they cave into fits of ill-discipline. “I’m bored now.”
It’s hard to see any grown-up, hard-nosed thinking going on in the AB circles. Perhaps it’s another consequence of what happens when you sell out your culture to US private equity who are all about ‘brand value’ over substance.
Of course, there are the real, practical problems facing the squad - the vacuum left by the departure or retirement of the likes of Whitelock, Retallick, Aaron Smith and Mo’unga, the forced reliance on old warriors past their use-by dates, the absence of impact players off the bench, questions over Scott Barrett’s on-field leadership, questions about poor conditioning and late game fades.
But beyond all that is a suspicion that apart from motivational New Age nostrums about self-expression, there really is little going on below Razor’s sun-bleached locks. If there were, why is his team throwing the same tantrums in every test? It is becoming so predictable - his charges race out of the blocks like men possessed, build a handy lead and then blow it in a flurry of low-percentage miracle passes, Hail Mary high-balls to nowhere and brain-dead ill-discipline.
Are boots applied to backsides anymore, or are the grieving miscreants ‘counselled’ and denied their PlayStations for a day?
Nurse?
@His-Bobness as you’ve pointed out - they’re building handy leads against what are the best teams in the world, which is surely a positive. So rather than having a go at Razor because you don’t like his style or what he stands for, what do you think are the reasons they’re falling away later in games? The coaching team control tactics and when the bench is introduced etc, but Razor’s not actually out there playing the game.
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So we're going for a fast game, there's room in the win/loss ratio to go for it/develop it etc and eventually it's going to stick as combos develop and fitness improves.
Not committing too many players to rucks, keeping as many players alive as possible, but against the north, we won't protect the ruck enough for this too work.
I'm wondering if MacDonald left as he wanted the backs/gameplay tighter? -
From a grumpy old rugby fan comes this contribution:
The ADHD Blacks
Is Ritalin the best prescription for the compulsively hyperactive, ritually self-destructing 2024 All Blacks?
Clearly, a pattern is emerging. They spend days before each test in media interviews regurgitating vacuous self-help management nostrums about ‘walking toward the pressure’ and ‘embracing the opportunity’ - only to set their dials to full-throttle for 60 minutes on-field before running out of gas.
Perhaps we can put it down to generational change - a break-dancing, surf-riding, Gen-X guru of self-discovery indulging a bunch of over-pampered, over-stimulated, over-praised Gen-Z whizz-kids with a complete deficit of patience, grit or an ability to think on their designer-booted feet.
To me, this looks like attention-deficit, hyperactivity-disorder on the rugby field. It works in flashes as the adrenaline kicks in among the players, eager to impress teacher and add to the highlight reels. Then when the buttons they are pushing on their virtual X-Boxes no longer respond they cave into fits of ill-discipline. “I’m bored now.”
It’s hard to see any grown-up, hard-nosed thinking going on in the AB circles. Perhaps it’s another consequence of what happens when you sell out your culture to US private equity who are all about ‘brand value’ over substance.
Of course, there are the real, practical problems facing the squad - the vacuum left by the departure or retirement of the likes of Whitelock, Retallick, Aaron Smith and Mo’unga, the forced reliance on old warriors past their use-by dates, the absence of impact players off the bench, questions over Scott Barrett’s on-field leadership, questions about poor conditioning and late game fades.
But beyond all that is a suspicion that apart from motivational New Age nostrums about self-expression, there really is little going on below Razor’s sun-bleached locks. If there were, why is his team throwing the same tantrums in every test? It is becoming so predictable - his charges race out of the blocks like men possessed, build a handy lead and then blow it in a flurry of low-percentage miracle passes, Hail Mary high-balls to nowhere and brain-dead ill-discipline.
Are boots applied to backsides anymore, or are the grieving miscreants ‘counselled’ and denied their PlayStations for a day?
Nurse?
@His-Bobness said in All Blacks 2024:
Perhaps we can put it down to generational change - a break-dancing, surf-riding, Gen-X guru of self-discovery indulging a bunch of over-pampered, over-stimulated, over-praised Gen-Z whizz-kids with a complete deficit of patience, grit or an ability to think on their designer-booted feet
Yeah nah.
The young Gen Z players are the ones who actually deliver.
It's the elder players who are going missing.
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@His-Bobness said in All Blacks 2024:
Perhaps we can put it down to generational change - a break-dancing, surf-riding, Gen-X guru of self-discovery indulging a bunch of over-pampered, over-stimulated, over-praised Gen-Z whizz-kids with a complete deficit of patience, grit or an ability to think on their designer-booted feet
Yeah nah.
The young Gen Z players are the ones who actually deliver.
It's the elder players who are going missing.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:
@His-Bobness said in All Blacks 2024:
Perhaps we can put it down to generational change - a break-dancing, surf-riding, Gen-X guru of self-discovery indulging a bunch of over-pampered, over-stimulated, over-praised Gen-Z whizz-kids with a complete deficit of patience, grit or an ability to think on their designer-booted feet
Yeah nah.
The young Gen Z players are the ones who actually deliver.
It's the elder players who are going missing.
Bloody Millenials, eh?
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From a grumpy old rugby fan comes this contribution:
The ADHD Blacks
Is Ritalin the best prescription for the compulsively hyperactive, ritually self-destructing 2024 All Blacks?
Clearly, a pattern is emerging. They spend days before each test in media interviews regurgitating vacuous self-help management nostrums about ‘walking toward the pressure’ and ‘embracing the opportunity’ - only to set their dials to full-throttle for 60 minutes on-field before running out of gas.
Perhaps we can put it down to generational change - a break-dancing, surf-riding, Gen-X guru of self-discovery indulging a bunch of over-pampered, over-stimulated, over-praised Gen-Z whizz-kids with a complete deficit of patience, grit or an ability to think on their designer-booted feet.
To me, this looks like attention-deficit, hyperactivity-disorder on the rugby field. It works in flashes as the adrenaline kicks in among the players, eager to impress teacher and add to the highlight reels. Then when the buttons they are pushing on their virtual X-Boxes no longer respond they cave into fits of ill-discipline. “I’m bored now.”
It’s hard to see any grown-up, hard-nosed thinking going on in the AB circles. Perhaps it’s another consequence of what happens when you sell out your culture to US private equity who are all about ‘brand value’ over substance.
Of course, there are the real, practical problems facing the squad - the vacuum left by the departure or retirement of the likes of Whitelock, Retallick, Aaron Smith and Mo’unga, the forced reliance on old warriors past their use-by dates, the absence of impact players off the bench, questions over Scott Barrett’s on-field leadership, questions about poor conditioning and late game fades.
But beyond all that is a suspicion that apart from motivational New Age nostrums about self-expression, there really is little going on below Razor’s sun-bleached locks. If there were, why is his team throwing the same tantrums in every test? It is becoming so predictable - his charges race out of the blocks like men possessed, build a handy lead and then blow it in a flurry of low-percentage miracle passes, Hail Mary high-balls to nowhere and brain-dead ill-discipline.
Are boots applied to backsides anymore, or are the grieving miscreants ‘counselled’ and denied their PlayStations for a day?
Nurse?
I think the rot started in the early 2010s as PlayStation culture arrived in the All Blacks. Players began doing individual "special dances" after they scored, needless attention-seeking off the field. It all spoke of a generation who thought they knew best and ignored the All Blacks' traditional way. But the team at the time had old-school types among the leadership group and were good enough to get away with it.
We've ended up with four massive problems.
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An obsession with high-paced Rugby opposed to the grunt and wrestle that Test match rugby often becomes.
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A lack of awareness and knowledge about how the rest of the world play and officiate the game.
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An inability to do the basics consistently well under pressure.
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A lack of leaders who can communicate how to stay cool under fire to other players.
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@His-Bobness as you’ve pointed out - they’re building handy leads against what are the best teams in the world, which is surely a positive. So rather than having a go at Razor because you don’t like his style or what he stands for, what do you think are the reasons they’re falling away later in games? The coaching team control tactics and when the bench is introduced etc, but Razor’s not actually out there playing the game.
@Darth-Sader Good question but hard to answer because it’s not evident to me what he is actually bringing to the coaching beyond setting the overall direction and culture. From what I’ve read, he leaves the on-field tactics to his coaching staff. I do wonder about the falling out with MacDonald and what was behind it. Whatever the truth, the buck stops with him and the fact the team is doing the same things every test is something he has to fix and take responsibility for.
