All Blacks 2024
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
We've become far to conservative.
Christian Cullen would debut at 25 instead of 20 now days.
Ireland beat South Africa in South Africa with 22 year old Jamie Osborne playing his first professional match at 15.
(a position he hadn't played at any level since he was a teenager).We are pearl clutching over giving 26 year old, 33 times capped, Will Jordan and 23 year old Ruben Love (who played whole Super Rugby season at 15 with aplomb) a go at 15.
Meanwhile SA have blooded Sasha at 10 against us, Fassi at 15 while Canan Moodie has 11 caps aged 21.
We are losing both now on the field AND in the development stakes.
Too many underperforming incumbents have a vise like grip on their Allblack jerseys.
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
Too many underperforming incumbents have a vise like grip on their Allblack jerseys.
Bingo and instead of the criticism being against the players or the coaches that selected them - the narrative becomes that we need to select overseas ABs
The ABs talk about pressure but they don't have selection pressure.
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
Too many underperforming incumbents have a vise like grip on their Allblack jerseys.
Bingo and instead of the criticism being against the players or the coaches that selected them - the narrative becomes that we need to select overseas ABs
The ABs talk about pressure but they don't have selection pressure.
@KiwiMurph been the case for many years now TBF, harder to get dropped than get in the ABs...
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:
Roigard has had a great start to his international career but he hasn't been tearing up trees a la Lomu - not meant in the physical sense but in the influence sense
I think far too many people are placing the success of the ABs at his feet
If he turns out to be the next Dupont I will be the first to say I was wrong and shout how good he is from the rooftops
But the weight of expectation, as we're already seeing with 'Surf Jesus, can often be too heavy a load to bear
Or may be expected from the wrong person
Not at all he's no Lomu, but he plays nine and offers a much wider range of threats than all our other 9s. More than Smith who's pass was so important but also his lack of running game made us so much more predictable. He just has to play and offer those threats and it will make a huge difference
Hope he's the answer you're all looking for
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:
Roigard has had a great start to his international career but he hasn't been tearing up trees a la Lomu - not meant in the physical sense but in the influence sense
I think far too many people are placing the success of the ABs at his feet
If he turns out to be the next Dupont I will be the first to say I was wrong and shout how good he is from the rooftops
But the weight of expectation, as we're already seeing with 'Surf Jesus, can often be too heavy a load to bear
Or may be expected from the wrong person
Not at all he's no Lomu, but he plays nine and offers a much wider range of threats than all our other 9s. More than Smith who's pass was so important but also his lack of running game made us so much more predictable. He just has to play and offer those threats and it will make a huge difference
Hope he's the answer you're all looking for
All who?
I just think he will be a significant step up from what we currently have.
As I hope for with the coach over the last one as well, just a significant step up. Not a big ask in that case! Am prepared to give him a bit of breathing space to do that too. People who are expecting miracles probably call him “Jesus”
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
We've become far to conservative.
Christian Cullen would debut at 25 instead of 20 now days.
Ireland beat South Africa in South Africa with 22 year old Jamie Osborne playing his first professional match at 15.
(a position he hadn't played at any level since he was a teenager).We are pearl clutching over giving 26 year old, 33 times capped, Will Jordan and 23 year old Ruben Love (who played whole Super Rugby season at 15 with aplomb) a go at 15.
Meanwhile SA have blooded Sasha at 10 against us, Fassi at 15 while Canan Moodie has 11 caps aged 21.
We are losing both now on the field AND in the development stakes.
Too many underperforming incumbents have a vise like grip on their Allblack jerseys.
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@KiwiMurph been the case for many years now TBF, harder to get dropped than get in the ABs...
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2024:
@KiwiMurph been the case for many years now TBF, harder to get dropped than get in the ABs...
Why don't they rotate players a bit more like SA do.
Savea, JB or Cane maybe a bit below par for example and could take a breather either out of the 23 for a week or on the bench. It would give guys like Love, ALB, Proctor , Sititi, Lakai a chance to shine and keep everyone on their toes. -
Another thing to bullshit the SR is no good thing.
It's noticeable to me that players who had big improvements in SR or consistently performed have been our best ABs this year.
The ones selected from no SR or minimal SR have fluctuated but mostly ordinary.
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What are the second half goals for these coaches? What's happening at halftime in the sheds?
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
What are the second half goals for these coaches? What's happening at halftime in the sheds?
This much average in the 2nd half is on the coaches and leaders.
Did they pick the wrong captain? Barrett is anonymous and looks like he needs a rest.
Our set piece generally falling apart late in the game is a scandal, but they cant pick their third hooker because he’s almost literally got his learn-to-throw stickers on his back window.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
What are the second half goals for these coaches? What's happening at halftime in the sheds?
This much average in the 2nd half is on the coaches and leaders.
Did they pick the wrong captain? Barrett is anonymous and looks like he needs a rest.
Our set piece generally falling apart late in the game is a scandal, but they cant pick their third hooker because he’s almost literally got his learn-to-throw stickers on his back window.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
Barrett is anonymous and looks like he needs a rest.
Would be pretty gobsmacking if a guy who's hardly played needs a rest. But I wouldn't be surprised....trust is pretty low with this coaching group.
Anyway, thank fuck we won! Bledisloe!
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
Barrett is anonymous and looks like he needs a rest.
Would be pretty gobsmacking if a guy who's hardly played needs a rest. But I wouldn't be surprised....trust is pretty low with this coaching group.
Anyway, thank fuck we won! Bledisloe!
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
Barrett is anonymous and looks like he needs a rest.
Would be pretty gobsmacking if a guy who's hardly played needs a rest. But I wouldn't be surprised....trust is pretty low with this coaching group.
Anyway, thank fuck we won! Bledisloe!
Yeah....woooo!
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I think the reality being discussed here is mostly about our coaching team being so ingrained in super rugby against Australian teams and getting to grips with the differences needed for international rugby against the big guns.
So much online posting, especially away from this forum, seemingly expects us to dominate every match against all international teams and do it by playing the way we do in super rugby.
Give the new coaches a couple of years to mould our players and build new patterns to pressure all our top international opponents. Don't assume that a centre field confrontational Blues forwards approach will dominate South Africa, or that a Hurricanes backline will open up the European guns like super teams.
Why not support the attempts to tweak and develop combo variations so that we can vary our game plan with confidence against stronger international opponents.@ARHS said in All Blacks 2024:
Don't assume that a centre field confrontational Blues forwards approach will dominate South Africa,
I guess I don't assume that it would dominate South Africa. But perhaps that approach would give us a lot more to build from, compared to tonight's latest misfires. Basics first, earn the right to go wide, and all the related rugby clichés...
(Helps that I'll always be a little biased towards Vern after 15 August 2004...)
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Final minute the ABs have scored points in the 2024 Rugby Championship;
Argentina 1: 53'
Argentina 2: 43'
Springboks 1: 53'
Springboks 2: 59'
Aussies 1: 45' -
Final minute the ABs have scored points in the 2024 Rugby Championship;
Argentina 1: 53'
Argentina 2: 43'
Springboks 1: 53'
Springboks 2: 59'
Aussies 1: 45' -
Damning on the team leadership and the guidance provided to them at halftime.
But, we did win the Bledisloe regardless and created a lot of good opportunities.@ARHS said in All Blacks 2024:
Damning on the team leadership and the guidance provided to them at halftime.
But, we did win the Bledisloe regardless and created a lot of good opportunities.Squandered. The word you were looking for was squandered.
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From a grumpy old rugby fan comes this contribution:
The ADHD Blacks
Is Ritalin the best prescription for the compulsively hyperactive, ritually self-destructing 2024 All Blacks?
Clearly, a pattern is emerging. They spend days before each test in media interviews regurgitating vacuous self-help management nostrums about ‘walking toward the pressure’ and ‘embracing the opportunity’ - only to set their dials to full-throttle for 60 minutes on-field before running out of gas.
Perhaps we can put it down to generational change - a break-dancing, surf-riding, Gen-X guru of self-discovery indulging a bunch of over-pampered, over-stimulated, over-praised Gen-Z whizz-kids with a complete deficit of patience, grit or an ability to think on their designer-booted feet.
To me, this looks like attention-deficit, hyperactivity-disorder on the rugby field. It works in flashes as the adrenaline kicks in among the players, eager to impress teacher and add to the highlight reels. Then when the buttons they are pushing on their virtual X-Boxes no longer respond they cave into fits of ill-discipline. “I’m bored now.”
It’s hard to see any grown-up, hard-nosed thinking going on in the AB circles. Perhaps it’s another consequence of what happens when you sell out your culture to US private equity who are all about ‘brand value’ over substance.
Of course, there are the real, practical problems facing the squad - the vacuum left by the departure or retirement of the likes of Whitelock, Retallick, Aaron Smith and Mo’unga, the forced reliance on old warriors past their use-by dates, the absence of impact players off the bench, questions over Scott Barrett’s on-field leadership, questions about poor conditioning and late game fades.
But beyond all that is a suspicion that apart from motivational New Age nostrums about self-expression, there really is little going on below Razor’s sun-bleached locks. If there were, why is his team throwing the same tantrums in every test? It is becoming so predictable - his charges race out of the blocks like men possessed, build a handy lead and then blow it in a flurry of low-percentage miracle passes, Hail Mary high-balls to nowhere and brain-dead ill-discipline.
Are boots applied to backsides anymore, or are the grieving miscreants ‘counselled’ and denied their PlayStations for a day?
Nurse?
