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    hasn't lomax on more than one occasion this year done some very sexy ball in hand stuff to set up tries and linebreaks?

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    • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

      hasn't lomax on more than one occasion this year done some very sexy ball in hand stuff to set up tries and linebreaks?

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      @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:

      hasn't lomax on more than one occasion this year done some very sexy ball in hand stuff to set up tries and linebreaks?

      Some might say his dummies and passing in the midfield have been better than Barrett and Ioane's.

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      • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

        hasn't lomax on more than one occasion this year done some very sexy ball in hand stuff to set up tries and linebreaks?

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        @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:

        hasn't lomax on more than one occasion this year done some very sexy ball in hand stuff to set up tries and linebreaks?

        Yes he has, great hands for a prop. Also frequently one of our top tacklers. He's developing into a real gun.

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        • M Mr Fish

          ALB is not a 12 - I've been repeating this all season.

          Yes, he can play there at a pinch, but that should be a last resort. He's a 13 through and through.

          Havili or Plummer should get a go at 12 next week.

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          @Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:

          ALB is not a 12 - I've been repeating this all season.

          Yes, he can play there at a pinch, but that should be a last resort. He's a 13 through and through.

          Havili or Plummer should get a go at 12 next week.

          ALB's best performance this season came at 12 vs Fiji

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          • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

            hasn't lomax on more than one occasion this year done some very sexy ball in hand stuff to set up tries and linebreaks?

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            @mariner4life

            He certainly has set up a try for the other team. I'd rather see a prop who can get well over the advantage line.

            Ball playing props are overrated

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              Lomax and De Groot have the lowest metres per carry out of all props who have played meaningful minutes in the RC. Newell is pretty hopeless in this facet too.

              They're great scrummagers and decent cleaners but they're hopeless with ball in hand. Early on in his career it seemed like this was a strong facet of Lomax but it ain't any more.

              Of the starting tight five there isn't a single strong close in runner that can get the tight forwards going up the middle. Taylor makes most of his metres wider.

              Metres per carry:

              5.5 Tosi
              3.6 Taylor
              1.9 Darry
              1.7 Tuipulotu
              1.6 Tu'ungafasi
              1.5 Vaa'i
              1.3 Williams
              1 Barrett
              1 Aumua
              0.7 Newell
              0.5 De Groot
              0.4 Lomax

              Unsurprisingly the 3 Blues tight forwards are strong in this facet but they are clearly out of favour.

              There's a lack of variety in our game which makes us predictable. We went more up the middle against the Puma's at Eden Park and that was probably our best game of the year.

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              @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

              Lomax and De Groot have the lowest metres per carry out of all props who have played meaningful minutes in the RC. Newell is pretty hopeless in this facet too.

              They're great scrummagers and decent cleaners but they're hopeless with ball in hand. Early on in his career it seemed like this was a strong facet of Lomax but it ain't any more.

              Of the starting tight five there isn't a single strong close in runner that can get the tight forwards going up the middle. Taylor makes most of his metres wider.

              Metres per carry:

              5.5 Tosi
              3.6 Taylor
              1.9 Darry
              1.7 Tuipulotu
              1.6 Tu'ungafasi
              1.5 Vaa'i
              1.3 Williams
              1 Barrett
              1 Aumua
              0.7 Newell
              0.5 De Groot
              0.4 Lomax

              Unsurprisingly the 3 Blues tight forwards are strong in this facet but they are clearly out of favour.

              There's a lack of variety in our game which makes us predictable. We went more up the middle against the Puma's at Eden Park and that was probably our best game of the year.

              If you think the All Blacks problems lie in the tight five, I can't help you.

              Think there is probably something also to be said for the fact that de Groot and Lomax's minutes come in the first half, where in theory the game is less open... and these stats are incredibly volatile, because one 15m run where a player gets put in a hole could affect this by up to a metre.

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                @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                Lomax and De Groot have the lowest metres per carry out of all props who have played meaningful minutes in the RC. Newell is pretty hopeless in this facet too.

                They're great scrummagers and decent cleaners but they're hopeless with ball in hand. Early on in his career it seemed like this was a strong facet of Lomax but it ain't any more.

                Of the starting tight five there isn't a single strong close in runner that can get the tight forwards going up the middle. Taylor makes most of his metres wider.

                Metres per carry:

                5.5 Tosi
                3.6 Taylor
                1.9 Darry
                1.7 Tuipulotu
                1.6 Tu'ungafasi
                1.5 Vaa'i
                1.3 Williams
                1 Barrett
                1 Aumua
                0.7 Newell
                0.5 De Groot
                0.4 Lomax

                Unsurprisingly the 3 Blues tight forwards are strong in this facet but they are clearly out of favour.

                There's a lack of variety in our game which makes us predictable. We went more up the middle against the Puma's at Eden Park and that was probably our best game of the year.

                If you think the All Blacks problems lie in the tight five, I can't help you.

                Think there is probably something also to be said for the fact that de Groot and Lomax's minutes come in the first half, where in theory the game is less open... and these stats are incredibly volatile, because one 15m run where a player gets put in a hole could affect this by up to a metre.

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                @frugby said in All Blacks 2024:

                @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                Lomax and De Groot have the lowest metres per carry out of all props who have played meaningful minutes in the RC. Newell is pretty hopeless in this facet too.

                They're great scrummagers and decent cleaners but they're hopeless with ball in hand. Early on in his career it seemed like this was a strong facet of Lomax but it ain't any more.

                Of the starting tight five there isn't a single strong close in runner that can get the tight forwards going up the middle. Taylor makes most of his metres wider.

                Metres per carry:

                5.5 Tosi
                3.6 Taylor
                1.9 Darry
                1.7 Tuipulotu
                1.6 Tu'ungafasi
                1.5 Vaa'i
                1.3 Williams
                1 Barrett
                1 Aumua
                0.7 Newell
                0.5 De Groot
                0.4 Lomax

                Unsurprisingly the 3 Blues tight forwards are strong in this facet but they are clearly out of favour.

                There's a lack of variety in our game which makes us predictable. We went more up the middle against the Puma's at Eden Park and that was probably our best game of the year.

                If you think the All Blacks problems lie in the tight five, I can't help you.

                Think there is probably something also to be said for the fact that de Groot and Lomax's minutes come in the first half, where in theory the game is less open... and these stats are incredibly volatile, because one 15m run where a player gets put in a hole could affect this by up to a metre.

                The tight 5 is the least of our worries, some of the props coming of the bench may also not have had any or very little carries due to what has been happening in the last 20 minutes.

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                • ChrisC Chris

                  @frugby said in All Blacks 2024:

                  @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                  Lomax and De Groot have the lowest metres per carry out of all props who have played meaningful minutes in the RC. Newell is pretty hopeless in this facet too.

                  They're great scrummagers and decent cleaners but they're hopeless with ball in hand. Early on in his career it seemed like this was a strong facet of Lomax but it ain't any more.

                  Of the starting tight five there isn't a single strong close in runner that can get the tight forwards going up the middle. Taylor makes most of his metres wider.

                  Metres per carry:

                  5.5 Tosi
                  3.6 Taylor
                  1.9 Darry
                  1.7 Tuipulotu
                  1.6 Tu'ungafasi
                  1.5 Vaa'i
                  1.3 Williams
                  1 Barrett
                  1 Aumua
                  0.7 Newell
                  0.5 De Groot
                  0.4 Lomax

                  Unsurprisingly the 3 Blues tight forwards are strong in this facet but they are clearly out of favour.

                  There's a lack of variety in our game which makes us predictable. We went more up the middle against the Puma's at Eden Park and that was probably our best game of the year.

                  If you think the All Blacks problems lie in the tight five, I can't help you.

                  Think there is probably something also to be said for the fact that de Groot and Lomax's minutes come in the first half, where in theory the game is less open... and these stats are incredibly volatile, because one 15m run where a player gets put in a hole could affect this by up to a metre.

                  The tight 5 is the least of our worries, some of the props coming of the bench may also not have had any or very little carries due to what has been happening in the last 20 minutes.

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                  @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

                  @frugby said in All Blacks 2024:

                  @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                  Lomax and De Groot have the lowest metres per carry out of all props who have played meaningful minutes in the RC. Newell is pretty hopeless in this facet too.

                  They're great scrummagers and decent cleaners but they're hopeless with ball in hand. Early on in his career it seemed like this was a strong facet of Lomax but it ain't any more.

                  Of the starting tight five there isn't a single strong close in runner that can get the tight forwards going up the middle. Taylor makes most of his metres wider.

                  Metres per carry:

                  5.5 Tosi
                  3.6 Taylor
                  1.9 Darry
                  1.7 Tuipulotu
                  1.6 Tu'ungafasi
                  1.5 Vaa'i
                  1.3 Williams
                  1 Barrett
                  1 Aumua
                  0.7 Newell
                  0.5 De Groot
                  0.4 Lomax

                  Unsurprisingly the 3 Blues tight forwards are strong in this facet but they are clearly out of favour.

                  There's a lack of variety in our game which makes us predictable. We went more up the middle against the Puma's at Eden Park and that was probably our best game of the year.

                  If you think the All Blacks problems lie in the tight five, I can't help you.

                  Think there is probably something also to be said for the fact that de Groot and Lomax's minutes come in the first half, where in theory the game is less open... and these stats are incredibly volatile, because one 15m run where a player gets put in a hole could affect this by up to a metre.

                  The tight 5 is the least of our worries, some of the props coming of the bench may also not have had any or very little carries due to what has been happening in the last 20 minutes.

                  That’s the twenty where we kick away the ball, drop it, or get a player or 2 sent off right?

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                  • SnowyS Snowy

                    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

                    @frugby said in All Blacks 2024:

                    @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                    Lomax and De Groot have the lowest metres per carry out of all props who have played meaningful minutes in the RC. Newell is pretty hopeless in this facet too.

                    They're great scrummagers and decent cleaners but they're hopeless with ball in hand. Early on in his career it seemed like this was a strong facet of Lomax but it ain't any more.

                    Of the starting tight five there isn't a single strong close in runner that can get the tight forwards going up the middle. Taylor makes most of his metres wider.

                    Metres per carry:

                    5.5 Tosi
                    3.6 Taylor
                    1.9 Darry
                    1.7 Tuipulotu
                    1.6 Tu'ungafasi
                    1.5 Vaa'i
                    1.3 Williams
                    1 Barrett
                    1 Aumua
                    0.7 Newell
                    0.5 De Groot
                    0.4 Lomax

                    Unsurprisingly the 3 Blues tight forwards are strong in this facet but they are clearly out of favour.

                    There's a lack of variety in our game which makes us predictable. We went more up the middle against the Puma's at Eden Park and that was probably our best game of the year.

                    If you think the All Blacks problems lie in the tight five, I can't help you.

                    Think there is probably something also to be said for the fact that de Groot and Lomax's minutes come in the first half, where in theory the game is less open... and these stats are incredibly volatile, because one 15m run where a player gets put in a hole could affect this by up to a metre.

                    The tight 5 is the least of our worries, some of the props coming of the bench may also not have had any or very little carries due to what has been happening in the last 20 minutes.

                    That’s the twenty where we kick away the ball, drop it, or get a player or 2 sent off right?

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                    #6203

                    @Snowy said in All Blacks 2024:

                    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

                    @frugby said in All Blacks 2024:

                    @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                    Lomax and De Groot have the lowest metres per carry out of all props who have played meaningful minutes in the RC. Newell is pretty hopeless in this facet too.

                    They're great scrummagers and decent cleaners but they're hopeless with ball in hand. Early on in his career it seemed like this was a strong facet of Lomax but it ain't any more.

                    Of the starting tight five there isn't a single strong close in runner that can get the tight forwards going up the middle. Taylor makes most of his metres wider.

                    Metres per carry:

                    5.5 Tosi
                    3.6 Taylor
                    1.9 Darry
                    1.7 Tuipulotu
                    1.6 Tu'ungafasi
                    1.5 Vaa'i
                    1.3 Williams
                    1 Barrett
                    1 Aumua
                    0.7 Newell
                    0.5 De Groot
                    0.4 Lomax

                    Unsurprisingly the 3 Blues tight forwards are strong in this facet but they are clearly out of favour.

                    There's a lack of variety in our game which makes us predictable. We went more up the middle against the Puma's at Eden Park and that was probably our best game of the year.

                    If you think the All Blacks problems lie in the tight five, I can't help you.

                    Think there is probably something also to be said for the fact that de Groot and Lomax's minutes come in the first half, where in theory the game is less open... and these stats are incredibly volatile, because one 15m run where a player gets put in a hole could affect this by up to a metre.

                    The tight 5 is the least of our worries, some of the props coming of the bench may also not have had any or very little carries due to what has been happening in the last 20 minutes.

                    That’s the twenty where we kick away the ball, drop it, or get a player or 2 sent off right?

                    yep

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                      This team is just absolutely fucked mentally.

                      It's not so much this player, or that player but as a team they crumble under pressure and are unable to maintain consistency throughout the game.

                      They play like they don't want to lose, rather than that they want to win, there's some odd saying like "the dirve to win must overcome the fear of loosing" and this team is abjectily petrified of loosing to the point they freeze totally in the last 20 minutes NO MATTER WHO THEY PLAY.

                      The AB's used to be about excellence, about trying to play the perfect game and chasing perfection in each moment of the game.

                      This bunch of clowns is chasing their own shadows.

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                      • Windows97W Windows97

                        This team is just absolutely fucked mentally.

                        It's not so much this player, or that player but as a team they crumble under pressure and are unable to maintain consistency throughout the game.

                        They play like they don't want to lose, rather than that they want to win, there's some odd saying like "the dirve to win must overcome the fear of loosing" and this team is abjectily petrified of loosing to the point they freeze totally in the last 20 minutes NO MATTER WHO THEY PLAY.

                        The AB's used to be about excellence, about trying to play the perfect game and chasing perfection in each moment of the game.

                        This bunch of clowns is chasing their own shadows.

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                        @Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:

                        It's not so much this player, or that player but as a team they crumble under pressure and are unable to maintain consistency throughout the game.

                        it's astonishing the difference between this mental toughness and that of the Crusaders, particularly under Robertson. Their whole hallmark was mental toughness and playing championship minutes. We are not seeing that with this AB side at all.

                        Maybe this is Clive without Martin; Razor without Sam?

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                        • ChrisC Chris

                          @Snowy said in All Blacks 2024:

                          @Chris said in All Blacks 2024:

                          @frugby said in All Blacks 2024:

                          @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                          Lomax and De Groot have the lowest metres per carry out of all props who have played meaningful minutes in the RC. Newell is pretty hopeless in this facet too.

                          They're great scrummagers and decent cleaners but they're hopeless with ball in hand. Early on in his career it seemed like this was a strong facet of Lomax but it ain't any more.

                          Of the starting tight five there isn't a single strong close in runner that can get the tight forwards going up the middle. Taylor makes most of his metres wider.

                          Metres per carry:

                          5.5 Tosi
                          3.6 Taylor
                          1.9 Darry
                          1.7 Tuipulotu
                          1.6 Tu'ungafasi
                          1.5 Vaa'i
                          1.3 Williams
                          1 Barrett
                          1 Aumua
                          0.7 Newell
                          0.5 De Groot
                          0.4 Lomax

                          Unsurprisingly the 3 Blues tight forwards are strong in this facet but they are clearly out of favour.

                          There's a lack of variety in our game which makes us predictable. We went more up the middle against the Puma's at Eden Park and that was probably our best game of the year.

                          If you think the All Blacks problems lie in the tight five, I can't help you.

                          Think there is probably something also to be said for the fact that de Groot and Lomax's minutes come in the first half, where in theory the game is less open... and these stats are incredibly volatile, because one 15m run where a player gets put in a hole could affect this by up to a metre.

                          The tight 5 is the least of our worries, some of the props coming of the bench may also not have had any or very little carries due to what has been happening in the last 20 minutes.

                          That’s the twenty where we kick away the ball, drop it, or get a player or 2 sent off right?

                          yep

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                          @Chris is Chay Finaki joining ABs ? That's the noise

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                            @Chris is Chay Finaki joining ABs ? That's the noise

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                            @george33 said in All Blacks 2024:

                            @Chris is Chay Finaki joining ABs ? That's the noise

                            I have not heard that mate.

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                              @george33 said in All Blacks 2024:

                              @Chris is Chay Finaki joining ABs ? That's the noise

                              I have not heard that mate.

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                              @Chris ok u would no, but rumors are floating around, cheers

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                                @Chris ok u would no, but rumors are floating around, cheers

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                                @george33 so he has joined the squad confirmed

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                                  @george33 so he has joined the squad confirmed

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                                  @george33 you were right George, it is bizarre tho as Fihaki wouldn't even start at the Landers these days 😂

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                                      @Chris is Chay Finaki joining ABs ? That's the noise

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                                      @george33 said in All Blacks 2024:

                                      @Chris is Chay Finaki joining ABs ? That's the noise

                                      Well played sir you're right again. You cop a lot of flak on here, but at least you share what you hear.

                                      Gee I wonder why Fihaki got called up......

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                                        @george33 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                        Rumour is Chay Fihaki is called in

                                        Good. The squad was missing a Crusader or two.

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                                          @george33 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                          Rumour is Chay Fihaki is called in

                                          Good. The squad was missing a Crusader or two.

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                                          @antipodean as the results say.

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