All Blacks 2024
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At the end of the day, a team of talented individuals that is regularly going from the sublime to the absurd is a symptom of a poorly coached team. It reminds me of the Chiefs under Foster, or the Hurricanes of old who coined the marketing phrase "expect the unexpected " because nobody knew what fucking version of the Canes was going to show up. That's where we are at with the ABs right now.
I don't know what the story was with Schmidt exactly but NZR should have been moving mountains to get him to take the mantle. His international experience and success would have been invaluable to this group of players. I don't doubt Razor is trying hard, but he's clearly learning on the job right now.
We are in for more of the same until either Razor is replaced, or he hopefully figures out what is needed to beat the big boys in test footy. The former is looking the most likely right now, but time will tell.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:
At the end of the day, a team of talented individuals that is regularly going from the sublime to the absurd is a symptom of a poorly coached team. It reminds me of the Chiefs under Foster, or the Hurricanes of old who coined the marketing phrase "expect the unexpected " because nobody knew what fucking version of the Canes was going to show up. That's where we are at with the ABs right now.
Yes we are, but the comparison isn't really valid. How many years did Foster coach the Chiefs without fixing that? It wasn't really a feature of Robertson's Crusaders, and it is still relatively early days.
The one thing Robertson has done right is keep McKenzie, Jordie, Ioane together in my opinion. You need time to build combinations. Yet every 2nd poster on here seems to want 1, 2, or all 3 of them dropped.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:
At the end of the day, a team of talented individuals that is regularly going from the sublime to the absurd is a symptom of a poorly coached team. It reminds me of the Chiefs under Foster, or the Hurricanes of old who coined the marketing phrase "expect the unexpected " because nobody knew what fucking version of the Canes was going to show up. That's where we are at with the ABs right now.
Yes we are, but the comparison isn't really valid. How many years did Foster coach the Chiefs without fixing that? It wasn't really a feature of Robertson's Crusaders, and it is still relatively early days.
The one thing Robertson has done right is keep McKenzie, Jordie, Ioane together in my opinion. You need time to build combinations. Yet every 2nd poster on here seems to want 1, 2, or all 3 of them dropped.
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:
At the end of the day, a team of talented individuals that is regularly going from the sublime to the absurd is a symptom of a poorly coached team. It reminds me of the Chiefs under Foster, or the Hurricanes of old who coined the marketing phrase "expect the unexpected " because nobody knew what fucking version of the Canes was going to show up. That's where we are at with the ABs right now.
Yes we are, but the comparison isn't really valid. How many years did Foster coach the Chiefs without fixing that? It wasn't really a feature of Robertson's Crusaders, and it is still relatively early days.
The one thing Robertson has done right is keep McKenzie, Jordie, Ioane together in my opinion. You need time to build combinations. Yet every 2nd poster on here seems to want 1, 2, or all 3 of them dropped.
Agree with this.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:
At the end of the day, a team of talented individuals that is regularly going from the sublime to the absurd is a symptom of a poorly coached team. It reminds me of the Chiefs under Foster, or the Hurricanes of old who coined the marketing phrase "expect the unexpected " because nobody knew what fucking version of the Canes was going to show up. That's where we are at with the ABs right now.
Yes we are, but the comparison isn't really valid. How many years did Foster coach the Chiefs without fixing that? It wasn't really a feature of Robertson's Crusaders, and it is still relatively early days.
The one thing Robertson has done right is keep McKenzie, Jordie, Ioane together in my opinion. You need time to build combinations. Yet every 2nd poster on here seems to want 1, 2, or all 3 of them dropped.
@reprobate may be forced to change now due to Jordie’s injury (May be long term). Will be interesting to see who they go with next…because ALB doesn’t scream elite level 12 to me. Serviceable sure, but not remotely close to a DDA or Esterhuizen (Boks), Chocobares (Arg) or Aki (Ireland)
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ALB is not a 12 - I've been repeating this all season.
Yes, he can play there at a pinch, but that should be a last resort. He's a 13 through and through.
Havili or Plummer should get a go at 12 next week.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
Havili or Plummer should get a go at 12 next week.
Is that really the best we can do? A bloke proven not to be the solution or one who finally got time at five-eighth during Super Rugby, winning the title in that position?
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Lomax and De Groot have the lowest metres per carry out of all props who have played meaningful minutes in the RC. Newell is pretty hopeless in this facet too.
They're great scrummagers and decent cleaners but they're hopeless with ball in hand. Early on in his career it seemed like this was a strong facet of Lomax but it ain't any more.
Of the starting tight five there isn't a single strong close in runner that can get the tight forwards going up the middle. Taylor makes most of his metres wider.
Metres per carry:
5.5 Tosi
3.6 Taylor
1.9 Darry
1.7 Tuipulotu
1.6 Tu'ungafasi
1.5 Vaa'i
1.3 Williams
1 Barrett
1 Aumua
0.7 Newell
0.5 De Groot
0.4 LomaxUnsurprisingly the 3 Blues tight forwards are strong in this facet but they are clearly out of favour.
There's a lack of variety in our game which makes us predictable. We went more up the middle against the Puma's at Eden Park and that was probably our best game of the year.
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hasn't lomax on more than one occasion this year done some very sexy ball in hand stuff to set up tries and linebreaks?
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hasn't lomax on more than one occasion this year done some very sexy ball in hand stuff to set up tries and linebreaks?
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
hasn't lomax on more than one occasion this year done some very sexy ball in hand stuff to set up tries and linebreaks?
Some might say his dummies and passing in the midfield have been better than Barrett and Ioane's.
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hasn't lomax on more than one occasion this year done some very sexy ball in hand stuff to set up tries and linebreaks?
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
hasn't lomax on more than one occasion this year done some very sexy ball in hand stuff to set up tries and linebreaks?
Yes he has, great hands for a prop. Also frequently one of our top tacklers. He's developing into a real gun.
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ALB is not a 12 - I've been repeating this all season.
Yes, he can play there at a pinch, but that should be a last resort. He's a 13 through and through.
Havili or Plummer should get a go at 12 next week.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
ALB is not a 12 - I've been repeating this all season.
Yes, he can play there at a pinch, but that should be a last resort. He's a 13 through and through.
Havili or Plummer should get a go at 12 next week.
ALB's best performance this season came at 12 vs Fiji
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hasn't lomax on more than one occasion this year done some very sexy ball in hand stuff to set up tries and linebreaks?
He certainly has set up a try for the other team. I'd rather see a prop who can get well over the advantage line.
Ball playing props are overrated
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Lomax and De Groot have the lowest metres per carry out of all props who have played meaningful minutes in the RC. Newell is pretty hopeless in this facet too.
They're great scrummagers and decent cleaners but they're hopeless with ball in hand. Early on in his career it seemed like this was a strong facet of Lomax but it ain't any more.
Of the starting tight five there isn't a single strong close in runner that can get the tight forwards going up the middle. Taylor makes most of his metres wider.
Metres per carry:
5.5 Tosi
3.6 Taylor
1.9 Darry
1.7 Tuipulotu
1.6 Tu'ungafasi
1.5 Vaa'i
1.3 Williams
1 Barrett
1 Aumua
0.7 Newell
0.5 De Groot
0.4 LomaxUnsurprisingly the 3 Blues tight forwards are strong in this facet but they are clearly out of favour.
There's a lack of variety in our game which makes us predictable. We went more up the middle against the Puma's at Eden Park and that was probably our best game of the year.
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
Lomax and De Groot have the lowest metres per carry out of all props who have played meaningful minutes in the RC. Newell is pretty hopeless in this facet too.
They're great scrummagers and decent cleaners but they're hopeless with ball in hand. Early on in his career it seemed like this was a strong facet of Lomax but it ain't any more.
Of the starting tight five there isn't a single strong close in runner that can get the tight forwards going up the middle. Taylor makes most of his metres wider.
Metres per carry:
5.5 Tosi
3.6 Taylor
1.9 Darry
1.7 Tuipulotu
1.6 Tu'ungafasi
1.5 Vaa'i
1.3 Williams
1 Barrett
1 Aumua
0.7 Newell
0.5 De Groot
0.4 LomaxUnsurprisingly the 3 Blues tight forwards are strong in this facet but they are clearly out of favour.
There's a lack of variety in our game which makes us predictable. We went more up the middle against the Puma's at Eden Park and that was probably our best game of the year.
If you think the All Blacks problems lie in the tight five, I can't help you.
Think there is probably something also to be said for the fact that de Groot and Lomax's minutes come in the first half, where in theory the game is less open... and these stats are incredibly volatile, because one 15m run where a player gets put in a hole could affect this by up to a metre.
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
Lomax and De Groot have the lowest metres per carry out of all props who have played meaningful minutes in the RC. Newell is pretty hopeless in this facet too.
They're great scrummagers and decent cleaners but they're hopeless with ball in hand. Early on in his career it seemed like this was a strong facet of Lomax but it ain't any more.
Of the starting tight five there isn't a single strong close in runner that can get the tight forwards going up the middle. Taylor makes most of his metres wider.
Metres per carry:
5.5 Tosi
3.6 Taylor
1.9 Darry
1.7 Tuipulotu
1.6 Tu'ungafasi
1.5 Vaa'i
1.3 Williams
1 Barrett
1 Aumua
0.7 Newell
0.5 De Groot
0.4 LomaxUnsurprisingly the 3 Blues tight forwards are strong in this facet but they are clearly out of favour.
There's a lack of variety in our game which makes us predictable. We went more up the middle against the Puma's at Eden Park and that was probably our best game of the year.
If you think the All Blacks problems lie in the tight five, I can't help you.
Think there is probably something also to be said for the fact that de Groot and Lomax's minutes come in the first half, where in theory the game is less open... and these stats are incredibly volatile, because one 15m run where a player gets put in a hole could affect this by up to a metre.
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
Lomax and De Groot have the lowest metres per carry out of all props who have played meaningful minutes in the RC. Newell is pretty hopeless in this facet too.
They're great scrummagers and decent cleaners but they're hopeless with ball in hand. Early on in his career it seemed like this was a strong facet of Lomax but it ain't any more.
Of the starting tight five there isn't a single strong close in runner that can get the tight forwards going up the middle. Taylor makes most of his metres wider.
Metres per carry:
5.5 Tosi
3.6 Taylor
1.9 Darry
1.7 Tuipulotu
1.6 Tu'ungafasi
1.5 Vaa'i
1.3 Williams
1 Barrett
1 Aumua
0.7 Newell
0.5 De Groot
0.4 LomaxUnsurprisingly the 3 Blues tight forwards are strong in this facet but they are clearly out of favour.
There's a lack of variety in our game which makes us predictable. We went more up the middle against the Puma's at Eden Park and that was probably our best game of the year.
If you think the All Blacks problems lie in the tight five, I can't help you.
Think there is probably something also to be said for the fact that de Groot and Lomax's minutes come in the first half, where in theory the game is less open... and these stats are incredibly volatile, because one 15m run where a player gets put in a hole could affect this by up to a metre.
The tight 5 is the least of our worries, some of the props coming of the bench may also not have had any or very little carries due to what has been happening in the last 20 minutes.
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
Lomax and De Groot have the lowest metres per carry out of all props who have played meaningful minutes in the RC. Newell is pretty hopeless in this facet too.
They're great scrummagers and decent cleaners but they're hopeless with ball in hand. Early on in his career it seemed like this was a strong facet of Lomax but it ain't any more.
Of the starting tight five there isn't a single strong close in runner that can get the tight forwards going up the middle. Taylor makes most of his metres wider.
Metres per carry:
5.5 Tosi
3.6 Taylor
1.9 Darry
1.7 Tuipulotu
1.6 Tu'ungafasi
1.5 Vaa'i
1.3 Williams
1 Barrett
1 Aumua
0.7 Newell
0.5 De Groot
0.4 LomaxUnsurprisingly the 3 Blues tight forwards are strong in this facet but they are clearly out of favour.
There's a lack of variety in our game which makes us predictable. We went more up the middle against the Puma's at Eden Park and that was probably our best game of the year.
If you think the All Blacks problems lie in the tight five, I can't help you.
Think there is probably something also to be said for the fact that de Groot and Lomax's minutes come in the first half, where in theory the game is less open... and these stats are incredibly volatile, because one 15m run where a player gets put in a hole could affect this by up to a metre.
The tight 5 is the least of our worries, some of the props coming of the bench may also not have had any or very little carries due to what has been happening in the last 20 minutes.
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
Lomax and De Groot have the lowest metres per carry out of all props who have played meaningful minutes in the RC. Newell is pretty hopeless in this facet too.
They're great scrummagers and decent cleaners but they're hopeless with ball in hand. Early on in his career it seemed like this was a strong facet of Lomax but it ain't any more.
Of the starting tight five there isn't a single strong close in runner that can get the tight forwards going up the middle. Taylor makes most of his metres wider.
Metres per carry:
5.5 Tosi
3.6 Taylor
1.9 Darry
1.7 Tuipulotu
1.6 Tu'ungafasi
1.5 Vaa'i
1.3 Williams
1 Barrett
1 Aumua
0.7 Newell
0.5 De Groot
0.4 LomaxUnsurprisingly the 3 Blues tight forwards are strong in this facet but they are clearly out of favour.
There's a lack of variety in our game which makes us predictable. We went more up the middle against the Puma's at Eden Park and that was probably our best game of the year.
If you think the All Blacks problems lie in the tight five, I can't help you.
Think there is probably something also to be said for the fact that de Groot and Lomax's minutes come in the first half, where in theory the game is less open... and these stats are incredibly volatile, because one 15m run where a player gets put in a hole could affect this by up to a metre.
The tight 5 is the least of our worries, some of the props coming of the bench may also not have had any or very little carries due to what has been happening in the last 20 minutes.
That’s the twenty where we kick away the ball, drop it, or get a player or 2 sent off right?
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
Lomax and De Groot have the lowest metres per carry out of all props who have played meaningful minutes in the RC. Newell is pretty hopeless in this facet too.
They're great scrummagers and decent cleaners but they're hopeless with ball in hand. Early on in his career it seemed like this was a strong facet of Lomax but it ain't any more.
Of the starting tight five there isn't a single strong close in runner that can get the tight forwards going up the middle. Taylor makes most of his metres wider.
Metres per carry:
5.5 Tosi
3.6 Taylor
1.9 Darry
1.7 Tuipulotu
1.6 Tu'ungafasi
1.5 Vaa'i
1.3 Williams
1 Barrett
1 Aumua
0.7 Newell
0.5 De Groot
0.4 LomaxUnsurprisingly the 3 Blues tight forwards are strong in this facet but they are clearly out of favour.
There's a lack of variety in our game which makes us predictable. We went more up the middle against the Puma's at Eden Park and that was probably our best game of the year.
If you think the All Blacks problems lie in the tight five, I can't help you.
Think there is probably something also to be said for the fact that de Groot and Lomax's minutes come in the first half, where in theory the game is less open... and these stats are incredibly volatile, because one 15m run where a player gets put in a hole could affect this by up to a metre.
The tight 5 is the least of our worries, some of the props coming of the bench may also not have had any or very little carries due to what has been happening in the last 20 minutes.
That’s the twenty where we kick away the ball, drop it, or get a player or 2 sent off right?
@Snowy said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
Lomax and De Groot have the lowest metres per carry out of all props who have played meaningful minutes in the RC. Newell is pretty hopeless in this facet too.
They're great scrummagers and decent cleaners but they're hopeless with ball in hand. Early on in his career it seemed like this was a strong facet of Lomax but it ain't any more.
Of the starting tight five there isn't a single strong close in runner that can get the tight forwards going up the middle. Taylor makes most of his metres wider.
Metres per carry:
5.5 Tosi
3.6 Taylor
1.9 Darry
1.7 Tuipulotu
1.6 Tu'ungafasi
1.5 Vaa'i
1.3 Williams
1 Barrett
1 Aumua
0.7 Newell
0.5 De Groot
0.4 LomaxUnsurprisingly the 3 Blues tight forwards are strong in this facet but they are clearly out of favour.
There's a lack of variety in our game which makes us predictable. We went more up the middle against the Puma's at Eden Park and that was probably our best game of the year.
If you think the All Blacks problems lie in the tight five, I can't help you.
Think there is probably something also to be said for the fact that de Groot and Lomax's minutes come in the first half, where in theory the game is less open... and these stats are incredibly volatile, because one 15m run where a player gets put in a hole could affect this by up to a metre.
The tight 5 is the least of our worries, some of the props coming of the bench may also not have had any or very little carries due to what has been happening in the last 20 minutes.
That’s the twenty where we kick away the ball, drop it, or get a player or 2 sent off right?
yep
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This team is just absolutely fucked mentally.
It's not so much this player, or that player but as a team they crumble under pressure and are unable to maintain consistency throughout the game.
They play like they don't want to lose, rather than that they want to win, there's some odd saying like "the dirve to win must overcome the fear of loosing" and this team is abjectily petrified of loosing to the point they freeze totally in the last 20 minutes NO MATTER WHO THEY PLAY.
The AB's used to be about excellence, about trying to play the perfect game and chasing perfection in each moment of the game.
This bunch of clowns is chasing their own shadows.
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This team is just absolutely fucked mentally.
It's not so much this player, or that player but as a team they crumble under pressure and are unable to maintain consistency throughout the game.
They play like they don't want to lose, rather than that they want to win, there's some odd saying like "the dirve to win must overcome the fear of loosing" and this team is abjectily petrified of loosing to the point they freeze totally in the last 20 minutes NO MATTER WHO THEY PLAY.
The AB's used to be about excellence, about trying to play the perfect game and chasing perfection in each moment of the game.
This bunch of clowns is chasing their own shadows.
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
It's not so much this player, or that player but as a team they crumble under pressure and are unable to maintain consistency throughout the game.
it's astonishing the difference between this mental toughness and that of the Crusaders, particularly under Robertson. Their whole hallmark was mental toughness and playing championship minutes. We are not seeing that with this AB side at all.
Maybe this is Clive without Martin; Razor without Sam?
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@Snowy said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
Lomax and De Groot have the lowest metres per carry out of all props who have played meaningful minutes in the RC. Newell is pretty hopeless in this facet too.
They're great scrummagers and decent cleaners but they're hopeless with ball in hand. Early on in his career it seemed like this was a strong facet of Lomax but it ain't any more.
Of the starting tight five there isn't a single strong close in runner that can get the tight forwards going up the middle. Taylor makes most of his metres wider.
Metres per carry:
5.5 Tosi
3.6 Taylor
1.9 Darry
1.7 Tuipulotu
1.6 Tu'ungafasi
1.5 Vaa'i
1.3 Williams
1 Barrett
1 Aumua
0.7 Newell
0.5 De Groot
0.4 LomaxUnsurprisingly the 3 Blues tight forwards are strong in this facet but they are clearly out of favour.
There's a lack of variety in our game which makes us predictable. We went more up the middle against the Puma's at Eden Park and that was probably our best game of the year.
If you think the All Blacks problems lie in the tight five, I can't help you.
Think there is probably something also to be said for the fact that de Groot and Lomax's minutes come in the first half, where in theory the game is less open... and these stats are incredibly volatile, because one 15m run where a player gets put in a hole could affect this by up to a metre.
The tight 5 is the least of our worries, some of the props coming of the bench may also not have had any or very little carries due to what has been happening in the last 20 minutes.
That’s the twenty where we kick away the ball, drop it, or get a player or 2 sent off right?
yep
