NZ First Five Crisis
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I'd be happy with Plummer just getting a decent crack from the bench to see if he can help our second half woes.
@KiwiMurph said in NZ First Five Crisis:
I'd be happy with Plummer just getting a decent crack from the bench to see if he can help our second half woes.
Distributes well and kicks well from hand, and we can move Dmac out to FB to take advantage of his running game late in the game.
If we aren't starting BB, it is the logical choise as then at least our 4-3 bench starts to make sense as well.
I'm not worried about first five - if you look back to 2004 we had Carlos (who was on the way out) and Aaron Mauger as the two first fives at the AB trial.
Carter was still at 2nd five (at AB level, anyway) until the end of year tour.
I think we'll turn up a youngster in the next two-three years who will play behind Dmac or Mo'unga (I'm sure not both), while we still have Perofeta and Plummer. BB hasn't retired yet either. We may not have a DC but we have plenty of talent - our problems are elsewhere.
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@KiwiMurph said in NZ First Five Crisis:
I'd be happy with Plummer just getting a decent crack from the bench to see if he can help our second half woes.
Distributes well and kicks well from hand, and we can move Dmac out to FB to take advantage of his running game late in the game.
If we aren't starting BB, it is the logical choise as then at least our 4-3 bench starts to make sense as well.
I'm not worried about first five - if you look back to 2004 we had Carlos (who was on the way out) and Aaron Mauger as the two first fives at the AB trial.
Carter was still at 2nd five (at AB level, anyway) until the end of year tour.
I think we'll turn up a youngster in the next two-three years who will play behind Dmac or Mo'unga (I'm sure not both), while we still have Perofeta and Plummer. BB hasn't retired yet either. We may not have a DC but we have plenty of talent - our problems are elsewhere.
@gt12 said in NZ First Five Crisis:
move Dmac out to FB to take advantage of his running game late in the game.
i am not so sure in our current set up that does anything.
Our pattern has him taking the ball on a loop and running a heap. And then when the opposition has the ball he's back for counter-attacking opportunities. As i said elsewhere, we have him doing fucking everything at the moment it's crazy. We're trying to use his running on every second phase, and we have loops created to get him in wide channels as well.
A "game manager" 10 is going to change the entire team, there is no way that is happening in a week
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@BerniesCorner said in NZ First Five Crisis:
@Nepia Fox had massive mental fortitude and intelligence, could land the ball on a dime.
Only thing missing top end speed.Laser like accuracy when kicking from goal too
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@gt12 said in NZ First Five Crisis:
move Dmac out to FB to take advantage of his running game late in the game.
i am not so sure in our current set up that does anything.
Our pattern has him taking the ball on a loop and running a heap. And then when the opposition has the ball he's back for counter-attacking opportunities. As i said elsewhere, we have him doing fucking everything at the moment it's crazy. We're trying to use his running on every second phase, and we have loops created to get him in wide channels as well.
A "game manager" 10 is going to change the entire team, there is no way that is happening in a week
That's fair, but I see it from the other side.
We agree that he's doing plenty right now (likely too much). I think criticism of him is missing that.
For that reason I'd like a bit more from our starting 15 (or 12, hello Jordie!) and whoever we bring on late.
My feeling is that this focus on the run needs balance, especially late in the game. What's interesting to me is that in the first half of the last game, we didn't play in our own half, we got down their end then built phases.
That went missing later. To be honest, I'd like Weepu on the bench - he was excellent at helpin to drive change in approach off the bench, despite limitations. Barrett might be able to do that as well.
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@Nepia said in NZ First Five Crisis:
@BorderJB said in NZ First Five Crisis:
Godfrey
Are you a @Canes4life multi?
Godfrey looked bloody average at 10 when he played there this year, fullback is his current best position. The Canes need to put him in their development team as a 10 to get him more experience.
@Trig None of those 10s have looked AB level, even Ioane who played for the ABs. Of the 3 only Burke appears a real loss outside of depth as someone who could develop into a test 10. Morgan was dross and since making the ABs Ioane has just got shitter and shitter.
I'm more concerned about the development of the 10s that stay. No one apart from Plummer could be considered an orthodox 10. Unorthodox is the NZ orthodoxy right now
@canefan said in NZ First Five Crisis:
@Nepia said in NZ First Five Crisis:
@BorderJB said in NZ First Five Crisis:
Godfrey
Are you a @Canes4life multi?
Godfrey looked bloody average at 10 when he played there this year, fullback is his current best position. The Canes need to put him in their development team as a 10 to get him more experience.
@Trig None of those 10s have looked AB level, even Ioane who played for the ABs. Of the 3 only Burke appears a real loss outside of depth as someone who could develop into a test 10. Morgan was dross and since making the ABs Ioane has just got shitter and shitter.
I'm more concerned about the development of the 10s that stay. No one apart from Plummer could be considered an orthodox 10. Unorthodox is the NZ orthodoxy right now
its like we afraid....we're afraid everyone will get injured and so we would rather have second string people who can play multiple positions than first string specialists
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McKenzie is so far away from the problem the All Blacks have at the moment.
Toggle with the loosies, lock down the first choice fullback and give the guys a few games together and the results will come. The team isn't far away from clicking at all.
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McKenzie is so far away from the problem the All Blacks have at the moment.
Toggle with the loosies, lock down the first choice fullback and give the guys a few games together and the results will come. The team isn't far away from clicking at all.
@Mr-Fish said in NZ First Five Crisis:
McKenzie is so far away from the problem the All Blacks have at the moment.
Toggle with the loosies, lock down the first choice fullback and give the guys a few games together and the results will come. The team isn't far away from clicking at all.
I completely agree regarding how close they are to clicking.
Really feels extremely similar to EOYT 2004/2009.
We were trying to adopt a new game plan, not doing it very well but getting closer and closer, and then once it finally clicked it's like the floodgates opened and we never looked back. Each of those wins led to the next decade and a half of complete dominance.
Also interesting is that for both of those iconic games on those tours where it finally 'clicked', it happened against France.
Who we have coming up this tour
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@Mr-Fish said in NZ First Five Crisis:
McKenzie is so far away from the problem the All Blacks have at the moment.
Toggle with the loosies, lock down the first choice fullback and give the guys a few games together and the results will come. The team isn't far away from clicking at all.
I completely agree regarding how close they are to clicking.
Really feels extremely similar to EOYT 2004/2009.
We were trying to adopt a new game plan, not doing it very well but getting closer and closer, and then once it finally clicked it's like the floodgates opened and we never looked back. Each of those wins led to the next decade and a half of complete dominance.
Also interesting is that for both of those iconic games on those tours where it finally 'clicked', it happened against France.
Who we have coming up this tour
@kpkanz said in NZ First Five Crisis:
Really feels extremely similar to EOYT 2004/2009.
We were trying to adopt a new game plan, not doing it very well but getting closer and closer, and then once it finally clicked it's like the floodgates opened and we never looked back. Each of those wins led to the next decade and a half of complete dominance.
Love the optimism. To me it feels more like 1998, where we lost some games badly, some to terrible decisions and our weaknesses got exposed over and over. And that led to 1999 where the same thing ahppened; we were well up in the SF vs France and shat the bed in the second half.
I really hope you're right and I'm wrong!
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I’m just sitting here waiting to see the reaction if Razors son gets close to super rugby. He plays 10 and has just secured a spot in crusaders academy. Some would say inevitable, but he’s actually a decent player. Big boy with a good skill set.
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I’m just sitting here waiting to see the reaction if Razors son gets close to super rugby. He plays 10 and has just secured a spot in crusaders academy. Some would say inevitable, but he’s actually a decent player. Big boy with a good skill set.
@chchfanatic said in NZ First Five Crisis:
I’m just sitting here waiting to see the reaction if Razors son gets close to super rugby. He plays 10 and has just secured a spot in crusaders academy. Some would say inevitable, but he’s actually a decent player. Big boy with a good skill set.
There would be no reaction. Stop trying to claim victim status
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I’m just sitting here waiting to see the reaction if Razors son gets close to super rugby. He plays 10 and has just secured a spot in crusaders academy. Some would say inevitable, but he’s actually a decent player. Big boy with a good skill set.
@chchfanatic said in NZ First Five Crisis:
I’m just sitting here waiting to see the reaction if Razors son gets close to super rugby. He plays 10 and has just secured a spot in crusaders academy. Some would say inevitable, but he’s actually a decent player. Big boy with a good skill set.
same reaction when Carlos' boy got a contract - they're there on merit (presumably)
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@chchfanatic said in NZ First Five Crisis:
I’m just sitting here waiting to see the reaction if Razors son gets close to super rugby. He plays 10 and has just secured a spot in crusaders academy. Some would say inevitable, but he’s actually a decent player. Big boy with a good skill set.
There would be no reaction. Stop trying to claim victim status
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@chchfanatic said in NZ First Five Crisis:
I’m just sitting here waiting to see the reaction if Razors son gets close to super rugby. He plays 10 and has just secured a spot in crusaders academy. Some would say inevitable, but he’s actually a decent player. Big boy with a good skill set.
same reaction when Carlos' boy got a contract - they're there on merit (presumably)
@nzzp is Carlos the All blacks coach.
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I’m just sitting here waiting to see the reaction if Razors son gets close to super rugby. He plays 10 and has just secured a spot in crusaders academy. Some would say inevitable, but he’s actually a decent player. Big boy with a good skill set.
@chchfanatic said in NZ First Five Crisis:
I’m just sitting here waiting to see the reaction if Razors son gets close to super rugby. He plays 10 and has just secured a spot in crusaders academy. Some would say inevitable, but he’s actually a decent player. Big boy with a good skill set.
I think you are trolling but I'll take your question at face value. If the kid is a good 10 with all the skills we're looking for, if he can turn out for a SR side and play well, then sure let's have him.
If Fozzie had passed over a bunch of SR form players and populated his team with undeserving Chiefs players at every opportunity I would expect everyone on here, you included, would call him out on it. As we should
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McKenzie is so far away from the problem the All Blacks have at the moment.
Toggle with the loosies, lock down the first choice fullback and give the guys a few games together and the results will come. The team isn't far away from clicking at all.
@Mr-Fish said in NZ First Five Crisis:
McKenzie is so far away from the problem the All Blacks have at the moment.
Toggle with the loosies, lock down the first choice fullback and give the guys a few games together and the results will come. The team isn't far away from clicking at all.
DMac has been copping it so much this week I assume his middle name must be Ioane.
The three passes seem to be outweighing any decent analysis of his play, and on a rewatch I think only the reverse pass is an actual issue and Razor has taken that better than the fans on here. If the Reece pass had gone to his breadbasket it would have been forward.
Sheesh, I even saw in the match threads claims from a poster that DMac is a shit passer when he's one of the best passers in the game in NZ at the moment.
