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    It's only the jags, but the bills have possibly got better without Diggs. I thought Allen was a very good QB but would struggle once the quality around him went down as his cap hits went up, but I was wrong.

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      Allen is a stud

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        Not a single punt in the Bengals-Commanders game! Prime time viewing.

        Bengals now have a massive hill to climb. I'd say they're good enough to do it but they've dropped two games that should have been easy wins, so I don't see how you can have any confidence that they'll get things done in any other game an their schedule.

        Next up they're off to play the Panthers, and their old friend Andy Dalton. Again, should be an easy win, so I wonder how they'll stuff this one up.

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          Not a single punt in the Bengals-Commanders game! Prime time viewing.

          Bengals now have a massive hill to climb. I'd say they're good enough to do it but they've dropped two games that should have been easy wins, so I don't see how you can have any confidence that they'll get things done in any other game an their schedule.

          Next up they're off to play the Panthers, and their old friend Andy Dalton. Again, should be an easy win, so I wonder how they'll stuff this one up.

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          @Cyclops their defence got no pressure at all. They will get wrecked until they fix that.

          Burrow was very good I thought

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          • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

            Allen is a stud

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            @mariner4life

            Yeah

            Love josh allen

            Usually hate QBs

            Live to see a pocket passing QB getting cut in half by a D lineman . . . and get loaded on the cart . . . beautiful thing

            But allen not only runs the ball . . . he hits it up . . . and drops his shoulder! . . . takes the hit and then trash talks the defence

            love it

            actually lol with some of his moves

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              notice a few "rugby passes" (what the seppos call them) creeping into the NFL

              Amon Ra (Detroit) caught a QB pass then did a lateral to another player who crossed for the TD

              Travis Kelce seems to be looking to try this move whenever he has the ball now too

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                The hook and ladder has been around a while, but definitely getting more common as a way to break up defensive patterns.

                Will Levis had a crack at an offload and it was a disaster.

                One of the issues with creativity in the NFL is that if you lose doing a 'conventional' thing you generally get forgotten and the league moves on. If you try something and it goes wrong then it ends up being repeated for weeks and the media dine out and owners hate a loser, but hate looking foolish even more (as a general rule). Takes a combination of a creative, aggressive coach in a situation where they feel their job is safe to really go for it.

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                  The hook and ladder has been around a while, but definitely getting more common as a way to break up defensive patterns.

                  Will Levis had a crack at an offload and it was a disaster.

                  One of the issues with creativity in the NFL is that if you lose doing a 'conventional' thing you generally get forgotten and the league moves on. If you try something and it goes wrong then it ends up being repeated for weeks and the media dine out and owners hate a loser, but hate looking foolish even more (as a general rule). Takes a combination of a creative, aggressive coach in a situation where they feel their job is safe to really go for it.

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                  @Cyclops said in NFL 2024:

                  Takes a combination of a creative, aggressive coach in a situation where they feel their job is safe to really go for it.

                  Dan Campbell 😄

                  Went with a fake punt on his 10. Ridiculous.

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                    Yeah Dan Campbell is great.

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                      Yeah Dan Campbell is great.

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                      @Cyclops said in NFL 2024:

                      Yeah Dan Campbell is great.

                      I'd run through a brick wall for him. You can see how the players like playing for him.

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                        @mariner4life

                        Yeah

                        Love josh allen

                        Usually hate QBs

                        Live to see a pocket passing QB getting cut in half by a D lineman . . . and get loaded on the cart . . . beautiful thing

                        But allen not only runs the ball . . . he hits it up . . . and drops his shoulder! . . . takes the hit and then trash talks the defence

                        love it

                        actually lol with some of his moves

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                        Kruse
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                        #75

                        @mohikamo said in NFL 2024:

                        Usually hate QBs

                        Another newbie comment - but I think I know where you're coming from.
                        Of the two games I watched this weekend... the QB would take a run, let his mate take/give a hit on a defender, to give him extra space, and the QB ran straight into "touch", so that he wouldn't get hit.
                        Another play - the bitch just dropping to the ground like Will Jordan so that he wouldn't get tackled, rather than gain another yard and get touched by the big bad oppo.
                        I'm assuming that's standard procedure?

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                        • KruseK Kruse

                          @mohikamo said in NFL 2024:

                          Usually hate QBs

                          Another newbie comment - but I think I know where you're coming from.
                          Of the two games I watched this weekend... the QB would take a run, let his mate take/give a hit on a defender, to give him extra space, and the QB ran straight into "touch", so that he wouldn't get hit.
                          Another play - the bitch just dropping to the ground like Will Jordan so that he wouldn't get tackled, rather than gain another yard and get touched by the big bad oppo.
                          I'm assuming that's standard procedure?

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                          @Kruse said in NFL 2024:

                          I'm assuming that's standard procedure?

                          top tier quarterbacks are utterly rare. If you get one, you hold them. So yeah, they get told to make business decisions and stay away from the elite nasty people trying to kill them

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                            @Kruse they also take up 15-20% of your salary cap. They are the single most important position on the field. QB economics are borked ... you have to swing and accept you'll probably miss in the draft - but if you don't, you won't win.

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                              @Kruse said in NFL 2024:

                              I'm assuming that's standard procedure?

                              top tier quarterbacks are utterly rare. If you get one, you hold them. So yeah, they get told to make business decisions and stay away from the elite nasty people trying to kill them

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                              @nzzp said in NFL 2024:

                              @Kruse said in NFL 2024:

                              I'm assuming that's standard procedure?

                              top tier quarterbacks are utterly rare. If you get one, you hold them. So yeah, they get told to make business decisions and stay away from the elite nasty people trying to kill them

                              Yeah - went into the rabbit-hole of the "Saints Bounty Scandal" a couple days back, and it did give me the context where I kinda thought "hmmm... kinda understand that".

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                                @Kruse they also take up 15-20% of your salary cap. They are the single most important position on the field. QB economics are borked ... you have to swing and accept you'll probably miss in the draft - but if you don't, you won't win.

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                                @nzzp said in NFL 2024:

                                @Kruse they also take up 15-20% of your salary cap. They are the single most important position on the field. QB economics are borked ... you have to swing and accept you'll probably miss in the draft - but if you don't, you won't win.

                                And yeah - having watched a couple of games... also realised how absolutely critical that one position is. And thought... "That's fucked".

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                                  @nzzp said in NFL 2024:

                                  @Kruse they also take up 15-20% of your salary cap. They are the single most important position on the field. QB economics are borked ... you have to swing and accept you'll probably miss in the draft - but if you don't, you won't win.

                                  And yeah - having watched a couple of games... also realised how absolutely critical that one position is. And thought... "That's fucked".

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                                  @Kruse said in NFL 2024:

                                  @nzzp said in NFL 2024:

                                  @Kruse they also take up 15-20% of your salary cap. They are the single most important position on the field. QB economics are borked ... you have to swing and accept you'll probably miss in the draft - but if you don't, you won't win.

                                  And yeah - having watched a couple of games... also realised how absolutely critical that one position is. And thought... "That's fucked".

                                  single hardest position in sport.

                                  You have to read the field, sense the pressure, throw the ball - all in about 2 seconds or so. And it's incredibly hard to predict who will do that well. And you need the right coordinators around you, and the right Oline, and good receivers, and so on ... it's incredibly tough.

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                                    @Kruse said in NFL 2024:

                                    @nzzp said in NFL 2024:

                                    @Kruse they also take up 15-20% of your salary cap. They are the single most important position on the field. QB economics are borked ... you have to swing and accept you'll probably miss in the draft - but if you don't, you won't win.

                                    And yeah - having watched a couple of games... also realised how absolutely critical that one position is. And thought... "That's fucked".

                                    single hardest position in sport.

                                    You have to read the field, sense the pressure, throw the ball - all in about 2 seconds or so. And it's incredibly hard to predict who will do that well. And you need the right coordinators around you, and the right Oline, and good receivers, and so on ... it's incredibly tough.

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                                    @nzzp said in NFL 2024:

                                    @Kruse said in NFL 2024:

                                    @nzzp said in NFL 2024:

                                    @Kruse they also take up 15-20% of your salary cap. They are the single most important position on the field. QB economics are borked ... you have to swing and accept you'll probably miss in the draft - but if you don't, you won't win.

                                    And yeah - having watched a couple of games... also realised how absolutely critical that one position is. And thought... "That's fucked".

                                    single hardest position in sport.

                                    You have to read the field, sense the pressure, throw the ball - all in about 2 seconds or so. And it's incredibly hard to predict who will do that well. And you need the right coordinators around you, and the right Oline, and good receivers, and so on ... it's incredibly tough.

                                    I'm still figuring out the rules, and the tactics based on the rules, etc, etc. But yeah... what the actual fuck. It seems like an absurd amount of pressure to put on a single position, at this early stage in my NFL-journey/Seahawks-bandwagon.
                                    And I'm sure I will have many many more questions around the "Oline" and other positions... I'm taking baby-steps at the moment... looking up penalties/fouls as I see them, and go "what the fuck?"

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                                    • KruseK Kruse

                                      @nzzp said in NFL 2024:

                                      @Kruse said in NFL 2024:

                                      @nzzp said in NFL 2024:

                                      @Kruse they also take up 15-20% of your salary cap. They are the single most important position on the field. QB economics are borked ... you have to swing and accept you'll probably miss in the draft - but if you don't, you won't win.

                                      And yeah - having watched a couple of games... also realised how absolutely critical that one position is. And thought... "That's fucked".

                                      single hardest position in sport.

                                      You have to read the field, sense the pressure, throw the ball - all in about 2 seconds or so. And it's incredibly hard to predict who will do that well. And you need the right coordinators around you, and the right Oline, and good receivers, and so on ... it's incredibly tough.

                                      I'm still figuring out the rules, and the tactics based on the rules, etc, etc. But yeah... what the actual fuck. It seems like an absurd amount of pressure to put on a single position, at this early stage in my NFL-journey/Seahawks-bandwagon.
                                      And I'm sure I will have many many more questions around the "Oline" and other positions... I'm taking baby-steps at the moment... looking up penalties/fouls as I see them, and go "what the fuck?"

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                                      @Kruse just watch. The commentators are top tier, the analysis is excellent (generally) - and you can google what things mean.

                                      Slot receivers, nickle, hook and ladder ... you name it 🙂

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                                      • nzzpN nzzp

                                        @Kruse said in NFL 2024:

                                        @nzzp said in NFL 2024:

                                        @Kruse they also take up 15-20% of your salary cap. They are the single most important position on the field. QB economics are borked ... you have to swing and accept you'll probably miss in the draft - but if you don't, you won't win.

                                        And yeah - having watched a couple of games... also realised how absolutely critical that one position is. And thought... "That's fucked".

                                        single hardest position in sport.

                                        You have to read the field, sense the pressure, throw the ball - all in about 2 seconds or so. And it's incredibly hard to predict who will do that well. And you need the right coordinators around you, and the right Oline, and good receivers, and so on ... it's incredibly tough.

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                                        @nzzp

                                        The windows for throws are insane! If you pause the video when you throw the ball, the receiver generally won't have made his break yet, so you're literally targeting a random space on the field. Being 'open' in the NFL is just having a slight leverage advantage so the QB can put the ball on a spot the defender can't reach.

                                        I'd agree with you that it's the hardest position to play in any sport, because the US produces literally thousands of players that are draft eligible every year and most years you might find one or two that good (not great) at the position. It's crazy to think that before they had helmet radios the QB was also responsible for make the play call!

                                        It's also the favourite scope goat - fans love to blame qbs and play callers when things go bad, but there's a lot more too it. A bad oline in particular can destroy a team no matter who else is there.

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                                          Yes, a well organised O line is absolutely critical

                                          crap O line and the QB is guna get killed

                                          like having a crap front row in rugby, you've got no hope

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