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    Yeah Dan Campbell is great.

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      Yeah Dan Campbell is great.

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      @Cyclops said in NFL 2024:

      Yeah Dan Campbell is great.

      I'd run through a brick wall for him. You can see how the players like playing for him.

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      • M mohikamo

        @mariner4life

        Yeah

        Love josh allen

        Usually hate QBs

        Live to see a pocket passing QB getting cut in half by a D lineman . . . and get loaded on the cart . . . beautiful thing

        But allen not only runs the ball . . . he hits it up . . . and drops his shoulder! . . . takes the hit and then trash talks the defence

        love it

        actually lol with some of his moves

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        #75

        @mohikamo said in NFL 2024:

        Usually hate QBs

        Another newbie comment - but I think I know where you're coming from.
        Of the two games I watched this weekend... the QB would take a run, let his mate take/give a hit on a defender, to give him extra space, and the QB ran straight into "touch", so that he wouldn't get hit.
        Another play - the bitch just dropping to the ground like Will Jordan so that he wouldn't get tackled, rather than gain another yard and get touched by the big bad oppo.
        I'm assuming that's standard procedure?

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        • KruseK Kruse

          @mohikamo said in NFL 2024:

          Usually hate QBs

          Another newbie comment - but I think I know where you're coming from.
          Of the two games I watched this weekend... the QB would take a run, let his mate take/give a hit on a defender, to give him extra space, and the QB ran straight into "touch", so that he wouldn't get hit.
          Another play - the bitch just dropping to the ground like Will Jordan so that he wouldn't get tackled, rather than gain another yard and get touched by the big bad oppo.
          I'm assuming that's standard procedure?

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          @Kruse said in NFL 2024:

          I'm assuming that's standard procedure?

          top tier quarterbacks are utterly rare. If you get one, you hold them. So yeah, they get told to make business decisions and stay away from the elite nasty people trying to kill them

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            @Kruse they also take up 15-20% of your salary cap. They are the single most important position on the field. QB economics are borked ... you have to swing and accept you'll probably miss in the draft - but if you don't, you won't win.

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            • nzzpN nzzp

              @Kruse said in NFL 2024:

              I'm assuming that's standard procedure?

              top tier quarterbacks are utterly rare. If you get one, you hold them. So yeah, they get told to make business decisions and stay away from the elite nasty people trying to kill them

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              @nzzp said in NFL 2024:

              @Kruse said in NFL 2024:

              I'm assuming that's standard procedure?

              top tier quarterbacks are utterly rare. If you get one, you hold them. So yeah, they get told to make business decisions and stay away from the elite nasty people trying to kill them

              Yeah - went into the rabbit-hole of the "Saints Bounty Scandal" a couple days back, and it did give me the context where I kinda thought "hmmm... kinda understand that".

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              • nzzpN nzzp

                @Kruse they also take up 15-20% of your salary cap. They are the single most important position on the field. QB economics are borked ... you have to swing and accept you'll probably miss in the draft - but if you don't, you won't win.

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                @nzzp said in NFL 2024:

                @Kruse they also take up 15-20% of your salary cap. They are the single most important position on the field. QB economics are borked ... you have to swing and accept you'll probably miss in the draft - but if you don't, you won't win.

                And yeah - having watched a couple of games... also realised how absolutely critical that one position is. And thought... "That's fucked".

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                • KruseK Kruse

                  @nzzp said in NFL 2024:

                  @Kruse they also take up 15-20% of your salary cap. They are the single most important position on the field. QB economics are borked ... you have to swing and accept you'll probably miss in the draft - but if you don't, you won't win.

                  And yeah - having watched a couple of games... also realised how absolutely critical that one position is. And thought... "That's fucked".

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                  nzzp
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                  #80

                  @Kruse said in NFL 2024:

                  @nzzp said in NFL 2024:

                  @Kruse they also take up 15-20% of your salary cap. They are the single most important position on the field. QB economics are borked ... you have to swing and accept you'll probably miss in the draft - but if you don't, you won't win.

                  And yeah - having watched a couple of games... also realised how absolutely critical that one position is. And thought... "That's fucked".

                  single hardest position in sport.

                  You have to read the field, sense the pressure, throw the ball - all in about 2 seconds or so. And it's incredibly hard to predict who will do that well. And you need the right coordinators around you, and the right Oline, and good receivers, and so on ... it's incredibly tough.

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                  • nzzpN nzzp

                    @Kruse said in NFL 2024:

                    @nzzp said in NFL 2024:

                    @Kruse they also take up 15-20% of your salary cap. They are the single most important position on the field. QB economics are borked ... you have to swing and accept you'll probably miss in the draft - but if you don't, you won't win.

                    And yeah - having watched a couple of games... also realised how absolutely critical that one position is. And thought... "That's fucked".

                    single hardest position in sport.

                    You have to read the field, sense the pressure, throw the ball - all in about 2 seconds or so. And it's incredibly hard to predict who will do that well. And you need the right coordinators around you, and the right Oline, and good receivers, and so on ... it's incredibly tough.

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                    Kruse
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                    #81

                    @nzzp said in NFL 2024:

                    @Kruse said in NFL 2024:

                    @nzzp said in NFL 2024:

                    @Kruse they also take up 15-20% of your salary cap. They are the single most important position on the field. QB economics are borked ... you have to swing and accept you'll probably miss in the draft - but if you don't, you won't win.

                    And yeah - having watched a couple of games... also realised how absolutely critical that one position is. And thought... "That's fucked".

                    single hardest position in sport.

                    You have to read the field, sense the pressure, throw the ball - all in about 2 seconds or so. And it's incredibly hard to predict who will do that well. And you need the right coordinators around you, and the right Oline, and good receivers, and so on ... it's incredibly tough.

                    I'm still figuring out the rules, and the tactics based on the rules, etc, etc. But yeah... what the actual fuck. It seems like an absurd amount of pressure to put on a single position, at this early stage in my NFL-journey/Seahawks-bandwagon.
                    And I'm sure I will have many many more questions around the "Oline" and other positions... I'm taking baby-steps at the moment... looking up penalties/fouls as I see them, and go "what the fuck?"

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                    • KruseK Kruse

                      @nzzp said in NFL 2024:

                      @Kruse said in NFL 2024:

                      @nzzp said in NFL 2024:

                      @Kruse they also take up 15-20% of your salary cap. They are the single most important position on the field. QB economics are borked ... you have to swing and accept you'll probably miss in the draft - but if you don't, you won't win.

                      And yeah - having watched a couple of games... also realised how absolutely critical that one position is. And thought... "That's fucked".

                      single hardest position in sport.

                      You have to read the field, sense the pressure, throw the ball - all in about 2 seconds or so. And it's incredibly hard to predict who will do that well. And you need the right coordinators around you, and the right Oline, and good receivers, and so on ... it's incredibly tough.

                      I'm still figuring out the rules, and the tactics based on the rules, etc, etc. But yeah... what the actual fuck. It seems like an absurd amount of pressure to put on a single position, at this early stage in my NFL-journey/Seahawks-bandwagon.
                      And I'm sure I will have many many more questions around the "Oline" and other positions... I'm taking baby-steps at the moment... looking up penalties/fouls as I see them, and go "what the fuck?"

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                      #82

                      @Kruse just watch. The commentators are top tier, the analysis is excellent (generally) - and you can google what things mean.

                      Slot receivers, nickle, hook and ladder ... you name it 🙂

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                      • nzzpN nzzp

                        @Kruse said in NFL 2024:

                        @nzzp said in NFL 2024:

                        @Kruse they also take up 15-20% of your salary cap. They are the single most important position on the field. QB economics are borked ... you have to swing and accept you'll probably miss in the draft - but if you don't, you won't win.

                        And yeah - having watched a couple of games... also realised how absolutely critical that one position is. And thought... "That's fucked".

                        single hardest position in sport.

                        You have to read the field, sense the pressure, throw the ball - all in about 2 seconds or so. And it's incredibly hard to predict who will do that well. And you need the right coordinators around you, and the right Oline, and good receivers, and so on ... it's incredibly tough.

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                        Cyclops
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #83

                        @nzzp

                        The windows for throws are insane! If you pause the video when you throw the ball, the receiver generally won't have made his break yet, so you're literally targeting a random space on the field. Being 'open' in the NFL is just having a slight leverage advantage so the QB can put the ball on a spot the defender can't reach.

                        I'd agree with you that it's the hardest position to play in any sport, because the US produces literally thousands of players that are draft eligible every year and most years you might find one or two that good (not great) at the position. It's crazy to think that before they had helmet radios the QB was also responsible for make the play call!

                        It's also the favourite scope goat - fans love to blame qbs and play callers when things go bad, but there's a lot more too it. A bad oline in particular can destroy a team no matter who else is there.

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                          mohikamo
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                          Yes, a well organised O line is absolutely critical

                          crap O line and the QB is guna get killed

                          like having a crap front row in rugby, you've got no hope

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                            mohikamo
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                            QBs have not always been as important as they are now
                            rule changes over the past couple of decades have been all in their favour
                            for commercial reasons . . . star player QBs and spectacular way downfield plays are easy to hype to the GP
                            if the defenses start to get on top, they'll just tweak the rules for the QBs again
                            the NFL is an extremely well run league, everything is "up and to the right"
                            as a league they dwarf every other sports league in the world
                            if you are a sports fan you have to watch

                            makes the efforts of rugby to improve their game (by game i mean commercial product) look pretty pathetic
                            rugby is my game, but i watch far more american football (college and NFL) now than i do rugby

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                            • nzzpN nzzp

                              @Kruse just watch. The commentators are top tier, the analysis is excellent (generally) - and you can google what things mean.

                              Slot receivers, nickle, hook and ladder ... you name it 🙂

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                              Kruse
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                              #86

                              @nzzp said in NFL 2024:

                              @Kruse just watch. The commentators are top tier, the analysis is excellent (generally) - and you can google what things mean.

                              That's exactly what I've been doing... just watching, with my phone in my hand, constantly Asking-Jeeves "what the fuck is a Pass Interference, I thought the whole game was constant interfering with passes being thrown/caught?" ... followed by "... aahhh... shit, that changes everything, I know nothing, like Jon Snow - do I qualify for a hot redhead?"

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                              • KruseK Kruse

                                @nzzp said in NFL 2024:

                                @Kruse just watch. The commentators are top tier, the analysis is excellent (generally) - and you can google what things mean.

                                That's exactly what I've been doing... just watching, with my phone in my hand, constantly Asking-Jeeves "what the fuck is a Pass Interference, I thought the whole game was constant interfering with passes being thrown/caught?" ... followed by "... aahhh... shit, that changes everything, I know nothing, like Jon Snow - do I qualify for a hot redhead?"

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                                nzzp
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                                @Kruse said in NFL 2024:

                                do I qualify for a hot redhead?"

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                                  it's week 4 and we are supposed to be working out what each team is.

                                  good luck with that.

                                  The Chiefs are 4-0, but are they any good? They look terrible for large stretches of each game. But they keep winning.
                                  Remember a couple of weeks ago when we were worried about the Ravens? Well they are okay, and gave the Bills a beat down. Derrick Henry is a fucking freak.
                                  The Bengals got on the board.
                                  The Saints went down again.
                                  Sam Darnold and the Vikings are 4-0
                                  The Washington Commanders are racking up scores.
                                  The Titans got on the board.

                                  TLDR i have no idea who is actually good

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                                  • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                    it's week 4 and we are supposed to be working out what each team is.

                                    good luck with that.

                                    The Chiefs are 4-0, but are they any good? They look terrible for large stretches of each game. But they keep winning.
                                    Remember a couple of weeks ago when we were worried about the Ravens? Well they are okay, and gave the Bills a beat down. Derrick Henry is a fucking freak.
                                    The Bengals got on the board.
                                    The Saints went down again.
                                    Sam Darnold and the Vikings are 4-0
                                    The Washington Commanders are racking up scores.
                                    The Titans got on the board.

                                    TLDR i have no idea who is actually good

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                                    @mariner4life the first month is basically the new preseason now

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                                      Kirk Cousins just threw for 509 yards

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                                      • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                        Kirk Cousins just threw for 509 yards

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                                        @mariner4life said in NFL 2024:

                                        Kirk Cousins just threw for 509 yards

                                        YA LIKE THAT?

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                                          Yes
                                          Cousins was great
                                          but so was mayfield and Tampa are probably a bit pissed they lost!
                                          that's NFL

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