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All Blacks vs Wallabies 2

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  • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

    @dogmeat fun game for another thread maybe, who are the 7 🤔

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    @Kiwiwomble

    No time for sentimentality when our form is bad, so;

    Cane
    Perenara
    Reece
    Aumua
    Jacobsen
    Havili
    Barrett B

    Now saying I'd be happy not seeing them in Black again isn't quite the same as advocating none of them should play this weekend. That would be too disruptive, but I wouldn't be taking any of them to the NH. They're either past it or haven't got it. Patrick T fits those criteria too in an ideal world.

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      TJ and BB starting just makes me weep, I'd prefer Hotham and Plummer as at least then it would show an intent to try and build something for the future. The coaching pharse I believe is "wasting reps" and this is a complete waste.

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      • dogmeatD dogmeat

        @Kiwiwomble

        No time for sentimentality when our form is bad, so;

        Cane
        Perenara
        Reece
        Aumua
        Jacobsen
        Havili
        Barrett B

        Now saying I'd be happy not seeing them in Black again isn't quite the same as advocating none of them should play this weekend. That would be too disruptive, but I wouldn't be taking any of them to the NH. They're either past it or haven't got it. Patrick T fits those criteria too in an ideal world.

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        @dogmeat said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

        @Kiwiwomble

        No time for sentimentality when our form is bad, so;

        Cane
        Perenara
        Reece
        Aumua
        Jacobsen
        Havili
        Barrett B

        Now saying I'd be happy not seeing them in Black again isn't quite the same as advocating none of them should play this weekend. That would be too disruptive, but I wouldn't be taking any of them to the NH. They're either past it or haven't got it. Patrick T fits those criteria too in an ideal world.

        ....way to kill the game 😉

        savea to the bench?

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          Ha ha BB at 10. Cue the meltdowns

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          • No QuarterN No Quarter

            All I will say is, thanks to terrible squad selections and Crusader bias, the 23 we are putting out this year is nowhere near as strong as it could be.

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            @No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

            All I will say is, thanks to terrible squad selections and Crusader bias, the 23 we are putting out this year is nowhere near as strong as it could be

            Agree Havili shouldn’t be there but isn’t there more of a Chiefs bias in that 23?

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              Wouldn’t think it is a dead rubber as far as the Wallabies are concerned either - they must be pretty keen to improve their world ranking and what better way to do that than against ABs away from home

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                Bell
                Faessler
                Tupou
                Frost
                Williams
                Valetini
                McReight
                Wilson
                Gordon
                Lolesio
                Pietsch
                Paisami
                Ikitau
                Kellaway
                Wright

                BPA
                Kailea
                AAA
                LSL
                Gleeson
                Taint
                Donaldson
                Flook

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                  I don't mind that team but have to question the continued selection of Lolesio. Best of a bad bunch I guess, but I'm not convinced even that is true

                  https://www.instagram.com/p/DAXK9rOTR01/?img_index=1

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                    #373

                    Jeez management a lot more conservative than I thought they would be.
                    Maybe hoping on high emotion as a send off for the seniors.
                    Disappointed Plummer, Darry, Love, Proctor, Paps haven't been given much of a run this year.
                    Coulda, shoulda used the second half sub system better. Putting someone on for 5 minutes is fruitless

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                      Wallabies changes:
                      9 Gordon (White dropped*)
                      11 Pietsch (Marika injured)

                      17 Kailea (Slipper dropped*)
                      22 Donaldson (Lynagh dropped*)
                      23 Flook (Pietsch promoted)

                      *I'm guessing they're dropped.

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                      • M Machpants

                        @nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                        Yes the All Black squad is not supposed to be a training squad for fading Crusaders.

                        I don't give a crap about the 'fading crusaders' they are only part of the problem. Tj and BB, Cane? Two are gone at the end of the season and one is well past his best before, esp at 10. Ardie needs a rcoket and should be on the bench at most. This is a pathetic inwards looking selection of caps, not players. Razor, for all his talk, is frozen in the spotlight and unable to think beyond 'not losing'

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                        @Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                        Razor, for all his talk, is frozen in the spotlight and unable to think beyond 'not losing'

                        Yeah, seems that way.
                        Far less bold than I thought he'd be.

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                          The saving grace is we have a tight 5 of some ability.

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                            The same thing I said before last weeks match applies to this one

                            I expect NZ to win by 30. Pass/fail mark is ~20 points

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                            • frugbyF frugby

                              @gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                              Not sure why we need Jacobson on the bench - it would seem a good test to get Finau on to hit some bodies. Clearly, he’s on the outer until he moves south.

                              Get off it. Finau was our starting blindside at the start of the year and was dropped because he was poor - universally agreed by everyone. You'll never guess where Jacobson comes from either...

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                              @frugby

                              Finau wasn't poor. He was good enough for us to win.

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                              • Landers92L Landers92

                                Well folks, the much anticipated post is here. You can all stop with the backline predictions and start chatting about this weekends backline that you’ll see below. I was unable to get the forward pack but have heard that Tuipolotu is a real chance to be in the 23 this week.

                                Again, and as I usually say, a very reliable source who hasn’t led me astray yet. If it’s wrong I’ll own it.

                                If there are any late week updates in regards to the team, I’ll post that in this thread.

                                Backline for this weekend as follows.

                                1. T.Perenara
                                2. B.Barrett
                                3. C.Clarke
                                4. A. Lienart-Brown
                                5. R.Ioane
                                6. S.Reece
                                7. W.Jordan

                                Bench
                                21. C.Ratima
                                22. D.Mckenzie
                                23. D.Havili

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                                @Landers92 your worcestershire is top shelf

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                                • NTAN NTA

                                  I don't mind that team but have to question the continued selection of Lolesio. Best of a bad bunch I guess, but I'm not convinced even that is true

                                  https://www.instagram.com/p/DAXK9rOTR01/?img_index=1

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                                  @NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                  I don't mind that team but have to question the continued selection of Lolesio. Best of a bad bunch I guess, but I'm not convinced even that is true

                                  https://www.instagram.com/p/DAXK9rOTR01/?img_index=1

                                  Lolesio > BBarrett

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                                    McCaw would seem to be the perfect ex-player to present Cane's 100th test cap.

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                                    • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                      @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                      @gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                      @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                      @Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                      @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                      Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.

                                      The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.

                                      Not in the squad, no. But there are several players that would improve things.

                                      Nawera for Reece or Telea.
                                      Sotutu
                                      Any back for Havilli (I’d look at Lam)
                                      Akira or Suafoa for Blackadder or Jacobson
                                      Plummer to actually be used

                                      And that’s just the tip of my head.

                                      Loosies are a huge problem. Picking too many sevens, and players either out of form or not good enough.

                                      I don't entirely disagree with most of that, but I am not convinced that those players improve things.

                                      I would pay that potentially Sotutu could be a good impact sub, but lets not forget he has been tried and failed by the All Blacks before.

                                      Glad you weren't selecting when Nonu or Kaino were around.

                                      I've literally said I'd pick Sotutu. More just pointing out that there is no guarantee he is a success like some people think he would be.

                                      just so i am clear, your argument is, that while the current guys suck, we shouldn't drop them because the replacements might suck too?

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                                      @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                      @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                      @gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                      @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                      @Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                      @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                      Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.

                                      The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.

                                      Not in the squad, no. But there are several players that would improve things.

                                      Nawera for Reece or Telea.
                                      Sotutu
                                      Any back for Havilli (I’d look at Lam)
                                      Akira or Suafoa for Blackadder or Jacobson
                                      Plummer to actually be used

                                      And that’s just the tip of my head.

                                      Loosies are a huge problem. Picking too many sevens, and players either out of form or not good enough.

                                      I don't entirely disagree with most of that, but I am not convinced that those players improve things.

                                      I would pay that potentially Sotutu could be a good impact sub, but lets not forget he has been tried and failed by the All Blacks before.

                                      Glad you weren't selecting when Nonu or Kaino were around.

                                      I've literally said I'd pick Sotutu. More just pointing out that there is no guarantee he is a success like some people think he would be.

                                      just so i am clear, your argument is, that while the current guys suck, we shouldn't drop them because the replacements might suck too?

                                      No, my argument is that we could change them, but I don't think it will really make a difference, so I am fairly indifferent to it.

                                      I think a lot of people think that by picking other players it will improve the All Blacks performance, but I honestly think last week's team as pretty close to the best 23 players in the country.

                                      Certainly 7 out of 8 of that pack are. Cane v Papalii v Whoever else is negligible. Take out Reece for whoever you like, and I think most would say that is the best backline.

                                      Aumua would miss out to Samasoni if fit, Tosi v Newell is negligible, Darry v Tuipulotu is negligible, Perenara would miss out to Roigard if fit, Beauden would be in for Plummer as an impact sub.

                                      In other words, the only place where you could potentially change things and see real change would be the loose forwards.

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                                      • dogmeatD dogmeat

                                        @Kirwan Of the 23 there are seven I would happily never see in an AB side again and another I would drop

                                        Time for a 1974 style clean-out (15 debutants in a squad of 25)?

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                                        @dogmeat said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                        Time for a 1974 style clean-out (15 debutants in a squad of 25)

                                        We need a Cavaliers tour to Russia.

                                        I'm intrigued as to whether we are going to learn anything new from this team. I would suggest not. It is quite possible that we will be shit a the beginning and finish well, as opposed to the other way around though.

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                                        • frugbyF frugby

                                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                          @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                          @gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                          @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                          @Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                          @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                          Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.

                                          The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.

                                          Not in the squad, no. But there are several players that would improve things.

                                          Nawera for Reece or Telea.
                                          Sotutu
                                          Any back for Havilli (I’d look at Lam)
                                          Akira or Suafoa for Blackadder or Jacobson
                                          Plummer to actually be used

                                          And that’s just the tip of my head.

                                          Loosies are a huge problem. Picking too many sevens, and players either out of form or not good enough.

                                          I don't entirely disagree with most of that, but I am not convinced that those players improve things.

                                          I would pay that potentially Sotutu could be a good impact sub, but lets not forget he has been tried and failed by the All Blacks before.

                                          Glad you weren't selecting when Nonu or Kaino were around.

                                          I've literally said I'd pick Sotutu. More just pointing out that there is no guarantee he is a success like some people think he would be.

                                          just so i am clear, your argument is, that while the current guys suck, we shouldn't drop them because the replacements might suck too?

                                          No, my argument is that we could change them, but I don't think it will really make a difference, so I am fairly indifferent to it.

                                          I think a lot of people think that by picking other players it will improve the All Blacks performance, but I honestly think last week's team as pretty close to the best 23 players in the country.

                                          Certainly 7 out of 8 of that pack are. Cane v Papalii v Whoever else is negligible. Take out Reece for whoever you like, and I think most would say that is the best backline.

                                          Aumua would miss out to Samasoni if fit, Tosi v Newell is negligible, Darry v Tuipulotu is negligible, Perenara would miss out to Roigard if fit, Beauden would be in for Plummer as an impact sub.

                                          In other words, the only place where you could potentially change things and see real change would be the loose forwards.

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                                          @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                          @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                          @gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                          @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                          @Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                          @frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                          Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.

                                          The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.

                                          Not in the squad, no. But there are several players that would improve things.

                                          Nawera for Reece or Telea.
                                          Sotutu
                                          Any back for Havilli (I’d look at Lam)
                                          Akira or Suafoa for Blackadder or Jacobson
                                          Plummer to actually be used

                                          And that’s just the tip of my head.

                                          Loosies are a huge problem. Picking too many sevens, and players either out of form or not good enough.

                                          I don't entirely disagree with most of that, but I am not convinced that those players improve things.

                                          I would pay that potentially Sotutu could be a good impact sub, but lets not forget he has been tried and failed by the All Blacks before.

                                          Glad you weren't selecting when Nonu or Kaino were around.

                                          I've literally said I'd pick Sotutu. More just pointing out that there is no guarantee he is a success like some people think he would be.

                                          just so i am clear, your argument is, that while the current guys suck, we shouldn't drop them because the replacements might suck too?

                                          No, my argument is that we could change them, but I don't think it will really make a difference, so I am fairly indifferent to it.

                                          I think a lot of people think that by picking other players it will improve the All Blacks performance, but I honestly think last week's team as pretty close to the best 23 players in the country.

                                          Certainly 7 out of 8 of that pack are. Cane v Papalii v Whoever else is negligible. Take out Reece for whoever you like, and I think most would say that is the best backline.

                                          Aumua would miss out to Samasoni if fit, Tosi v Newell is negligible, Darry v Tuipulotu is negligible, Perenara would miss out to Roigard if fit, Beauden would be in for Plummer as an impact sub.

                                          In other words, the only place where you could potentially change things and see real change would be the loose forwards.

                                          OK.
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