All Blacks EOYT
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@pakman said in All Blacks EOYT:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks EOYT:
That first Counties try was a thing of beauty
How Razor can’t find a place for DP baffles me
Roigard looked sharp. His double step offs for his long range try showed he’s fit
Some great sleight of hand in the pass to him from Hoss.
I think Dalton does offer skills and power in attack ( especially at 6 4 and 113kg or whatever the official stats are ) but for whatever reason he hasn’t shown much at the highest level. Anyone care to guess why ?
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Great news about Fabian Holland: https://www.thepost.co.nz/sport/350441206/highlanders-lock-fabian-holland-jumps-all-blacks-frame-after-world-rugby
@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
Great news about Fabian Holland: https://www.thepost.co.nz/sport/350441206/highlanders-lock-fabian-holland-jumps-all-blacks-frame-after-world-rugby
Have to say I’m gutted to find out the province Holland was born in was not Zeeland (it was Noord-Holland).
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Can't wait for Holland to get into the ABs so I can make some Dutch Oven references.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
Can't wait for Holland to get into the ABs so I can make some Dutch Oven references.
If razor doesn’t select him it’ll be a clear cut case of tall poppy syndrome.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
Can't wait for Holland to get into the ABs so I can make some Dutch Oven references.
If razor doesn’t select him it’ll be a clear cut case of tall poppy syndrome.
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
Can't wait for Holland to get into the ABs so I can make some Dutch Oven references.
If razor doesn’t select him it’ll be a clear cut case of tall poppy syndrome.
Word is he will be in AB XV
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
Can't wait for Holland to get into the ABs so I can make some Dutch Oven references.
If razor doesn’t select him it’ll be a clear cut case of tall poppy syndrome.
Word is he will be in AB XV
@Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
Can't wait for Holland to get into the ABs so I can make some Dutch Oven references.
If razor doesn’t select him it’ll be a clear cut case of tall poppy syndrome.
Word is he will be in AB XV
Yeah I suppose promoting him straight to the ABs would require Dutch courage.
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@Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
Can't wait for Holland to get into the ABs so I can make some Dutch Oven references.
If razor doesn’t select him it’ll be a clear cut case of tall poppy syndrome.
Word is he will be in AB XV
Yeah I suppose promoting him straight to the ABs would require Dutch courage.
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
Can't wait for Holland to get into the ABs so I can make some Dutch Oven references.
If razor doesn’t select him it’ll be a clear cut case of tall poppy syndrome.
Word is he will be in AB XV
Yeah I suppose promoting him straight to the ABs would require Dutch courage.
He’ll be fabian in the XV.
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I've compiled these stats from the following source (https://www.espn.com/rugby/scoreboard/_/league/242041)
This was following a discussion in another thread regarding Perofeta/Plummer.
Just some stats (yes they don't tell you the full picture etc etc) covering Dmac/Plummer/Perofeta and their super rugby season. (only using Perofetas games at 10)
Try assists per game
Dmac - 0.375
Perofeta - 0.33
Plummer - 0.27Metres made per carry
Dmac - 6.1
Perofeta - 6.1
Plummer - 4.5Linebreaks made per carry
Perofeta - 0.11
Dmac - 0.07
Plummer - 0.03Defenders beaten per carry
Dmac - 0.36
Perofeta - 0.26
Plummer - 0.19Tackle %
Plummer - 85%
Perofeta - 83%
Dmac - 75%Turnovers conceded per game
Perofeta - 1.5
Plummer - 1.2
Dmac - 1.06Kick %
Dmac - 85%
Plummer - 74%
Perofeta - 66%According to this (caveat that these are assumptions based on the statistics provided and do not guarantee anything)..
Dmac is the best ball in hand with defenders beaten, creates the most for others, is the best kicker by quite a margin, and actually makes the least mistakes (turnovers) per game. He's also the worst tackler (not a horrible tackler but the worst out of the 3, pretty much average tackling percentage per NZ 10s this season).
Perofeta is the worst kicker by far, makes the most mistakes (turnovers), decent tackler, but also very good ball in hand and the most effective at creating linebreaks.
Plummer is the worst ball in hand by quite a margin, creates the least, is the best tackler, is a worse kicker and makes more mistakes than Dmac but is a better kicker and makes less mistakes than Perofeta.
Perofeta/Plummer have the top tackling percentage per NZ 10s this season.
This may be useless to people, stats miss many intangibles on the field etc. Just thought some of the data points would be interesting for some.
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
Can't wait for Holland to get into the ABs so I can make some Dutch Oven references.
If razor doesn’t select him it’ll be a clear cut case of tall poppy syndrome.
Word is he will be in AB XV
Yeah I suppose promoting him straight to the ABs would require Dutch courage.
He’ll be fabian in the XV.
@pakman said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
Can't wait for Holland to get into the ABs so I can make some Dutch Oven references.
If razor doesn’t select him it’ll be a clear cut case of tall poppy syndrome.
Word is he will be in AB XV
Yeah I suppose promoting him straight to the ABs would require Dutch courage.
He’ll be fabian in the XV.
If razor needs to borrow him for the ABs will he tell Clayton to pass the dutchie?
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I've compiled these stats from the following source (https://www.espn.com/rugby/scoreboard/_/league/242041)
This was following a discussion in another thread regarding Perofeta/Plummer.
Just some stats (yes they don't tell you the full picture etc etc) covering Dmac/Plummer/Perofeta and their super rugby season. (only using Perofetas games at 10)
Try assists per game
Dmac - 0.375
Perofeta - 0.33
Plummer - 0.27Metres made per carry
Dmac - 6.1
Perofeta - 6.1
Plummer - 4.5Linebreaks made per carry
Perofeta - 0.11
Dmac - 0.07
Plummer - 0.03Defenders beaten per carry
Dmac - 0.36
Perofeta - 0.26
Plummer - 0.19Tackle %
Plummer - 85%
Perofeta - 83%
Dmac - 75%Turnovers conceded per game
Perofeta - 1.5
Plummer - 1.2
Dmac - 1.06Kick %
Dmac - 85%
Plummer - 74%
Perofeta - 66%According to this (caveat that these are assumptions based on the statistics provided and do not guarantee anything)..
Dmac is the best ball in hand with defenders beaten, creates the most for others, is the best kicker by quite a margin, and actually makes the least mistakes (turnovers) per game. He's also the worst tackler (not a horrible tackler but the worst out of the 3, pretty much average tackling percentage per NZ 10s this season).
Perofeta is the worst kicker by far, makes the most mistakes (turnovers), decent tackler, but also very good ball in hand and the most effective at creating linebreaks.
Plummer is the worst ball in hand by quite a margin, creates the least, is the best tackler, is a worse kicker and makes more mistakes than Dmac but is a better kicker and makes less mistakes than Perofeta.
Perofeta/Plummer have the top tackling percentage per NZ 10s this season.
This may be useless to people, stats miss many intangibles on the field etc. Just thought some of the data points would be interesting for some.
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I've compiled these stats from the following source (https://www.espn.com/rugby/scoreboard/_/league/242041)
This was following a discussion in another thread regarding Perofeta/Plummer.
Just some stats (yes they don't tell you the full picture etc etc) covering Dmac/Plummer/Perofeta and their super rugby season. (only using Perofetas games at 10)
Try assists per game
Dmac - 0.375
Perofeta - 0.33
Plummer - 0.27Metres made per carry
Dmac - 6.1
Perofeta - 6.1
Plummer - 4.5Linebreaks made per carry
Perofeta - 0.11
Dmac - 0.07
Plummer - 0.03Defenders beaten per carry
Dmac - 0.36
Perofeta - 0.26
Plummer - 0.19Tackle %
Plummer - 85%
Perofeta - 83%
Dmac - 75%Turnovers conceded per game
Perofeta - 1.5
Plummer - 1.2
Dmac - 1.06Kick %
Dmac - 85%
Plummer - 74%
Perofeta - 66%According to this (caveat that these are assumptions based on the statistics provided and do not guarantee anything)..
Dmac is the best ball in hand with defenders beaten, creates the most for others, is the best kicker by quite a margin, and actually makes the least mistakes (turnovers) per game. He's also the worst tackler (not a horrible tackler but the worst out of the 3, pretty much average tackling percentage per NZ 10s this season).
Perofeta is the worst kicker by far, makes the most mistakes (turnovers), decent tackler, but also very good ball in hand and the most effective at creating linebreaks.
Plummer is the worst ball in hand by quite a margin, creates the least, is the best tackler, is a worse kicker and makes more mistakes than Dmac but is a better kicker and makes less mistakes than Perofeta.
Perofeta/Plummer have the top tackling percentage per NZ 10s this season.
This may be useless to people, stats miss many intangibles on the field etc. Just thought some of the data points would be interesting for some.
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I've compiled these stats from the following source (https://www.espn.com/rugby/scoreboard/_/league/242041)
This was following a discussion in another thread regarding Perofeta/Plummer.
Just some stats (yes they don't tell you the full picture etc etc) covering Dmac/Plummer/Perofeta and their super rugby season. (only using Perofetas games at 10)
Try assists per game
Dmac - 0.375
Perofeta - 0.33
Plummer - 0.27Metres made per carry
Dmac - 6.1
Perofeta - 6.1
Plummer - 4.5Linebreaks made per carry
Perofeta - 0.11
Dmac - 0.07
Plummer - 0.03Defenders beaten per carry
Dmac - 0.36
Perofeta - 0.26
Plummer - 0.19Tackle %
Plummer - 85%
Perofeta - 83%
Dmac - 75%Turnovers conceded per game
Perofeta - 1.5
Plummer - 1.2
Dmac - 1.06Kick %
Dmac - 85%
Plummer - 74%
Perofeta - 66%According to this (caveat that these are assumptions based on the statistics provided and do not guarantee anything)..
Dmac is the best ball in hand with defenders beaten, creates the most for others, is the best kicker by quite a margin, and actually makes the least mistakes (turnovers) per game. He's also the worst tackler (not a horrible tackler but the worst out of the 3, pretty much average tackling percentage per NZ 10s this season).
Perofeta is the worst kicker by far, makes the most mistakes (turnovers), decent tackler, but also very good ball in hand and the most effective at creating linebreaks.
Plummer is the worst ball in hand by quite a margin, creates the least, is the best tackler, is a worse kicker and makes more mistakes than Dmac but is a better kicker and makes less mistakes than Perofeta.
Perofeta/Plummer have the top tackling percentage per NZ 10s this season.
This may be useless to people, stats miss many intangibles on the field etc. Just thought some of the data points would be interesting for some.
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@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz Those are terrible tackle stats for DMac.
I think Plummers underwhelming attacking stats while also making the most mistakes (turnovers) per game is more damning personally.
Dmacs tackling stats aren't actually terrible at all relative to other NZ super rugby first fives this season. He's actually bang on average or slightly above the average rate. The Blues 10s were both the top in the country.
Source - https://theanalyst.com/eu/2024/01/club-rugby-stats-hub
Tackling % 2024 Super Rugby
Blues
Perofeta - 83%
Plummer - 83%Chiefs
McKenzie - 75%Crusaders
Fergus Burke - 71%
Riley Hohepa - 76%
Rivez Reihana - 80%Highlanders
Ajay Faleafaga - 67%
Cameron Millar - 80%Hurricanes
Brett Cameron 62%
Ruben Love 70% -
@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz Those are terrible tackle stats for DMac.
I think Plummers underwhelming attacking stats while also making the most mistakes (turnovers) per game is more damning personally.
Dmacs tackling stats aren't actually terrible at all relative to other NZ super rugby first fives this season. He's actually bang on average or slightly above the average rate. The Blues 10s were both the top in the country.
Source - https://theanalyst.com/eu/2024/01/club-rugby-stats-hub
Tackling % 2024 Super Rugby
Blues
Perofeta - 83%
Plummer - 83%Chiefs
McKenzie - 75%Crusaders
Fergus Burke - 71%
Riley Hohepa - 76%
Rivez Reihana - 80%Highlanders
Ajay Faleafaga - 67%
Cameron Millar - 80%Hurricanes
Brett Cameron 62%
Ruben Love 70%@kpkanz said in All Blacks EOYT:
@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz Those are terrible tackle stats for DMac.
Dmacs tackling stats aren't actually terrible at all relative to other NZ super rugby first fives this season. He's actually bang on average or slightly above the average rate. The Blues 10s were both the top in the country.
Plummer's attacking stats would be fine for a European 10, but DMac's defence stats (and I take your point a host of others in SuperSnore) would be off the scale awful in a major Euroepan competition.
A poor defending 10 is a millstone around a team's neck if you are playing a side with decent ball-carriers.
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@kpkanz said in All Blacks EOYT:
@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz Those are terrible tackle stats for DMac.
Dmacs tackling stats aren't actually terrible at all relative to other NZ super rugby first fives this season. He's actually bang on average or slightly above the average rate. The Blues 10s were both the top in the country.
Plummer's attacking stats would be fine for a European 10, but DMac's defence stats (and I take your point a host of others in SuperSnore) would be off the scale awful in a major Euroepan competition.
A poor defending 10 is a millstone around a team's neck if you are playing a side with decent ball-carriers.
@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks EOYT:
@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz Those are terrible tackle stats for DMac.
Dmacs tackling stats aren't actually terrible at all relative to other NZ super rugby first fives this season. He's actually bang on average or slightly above the average rate. The Blues 10s were both the top in the country.
Plummer's attacking stats would be fine for a European 10, but DMac's defence stats (and I take your point a host of others in SuperSnore) would be off the scale awful in a major Euroepan competition.
But that's just not true. We have the stats for the European 10s from the last season as well from that same source.
Ireland
Jack Crowley - 89%
Ciaran Frawley - 79%
Harry Byrne - 73%France
Romain Ntamack - 88%
Matthieu Jallibert - 66%England
George Ford - 85%
Marcus Smith - 74%Scotland
Finn Russell - 71%It's not like Dmac would stick out here in any way compared to some of the numbers present.
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@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks EOYT:
@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz Those are terrible tackle stats for DMac.
Dmacs tackling stats aren't actually terrible at all relative to other NZ super rugby first fives this season. He's actually bang on average or slightly above the average rate. The Blues 10s were both the top in the country.
Plummer's attacking stats would be fine for a European 10, but DMac's defence stats (and I take your point a host of others in SuperSnore) would be off the scale awful in a major Euroepan competition.
But that's just not true. We have the stats for the European 10s from the last season as well from that same source.
Ireland
Jack Crowley - 89%
Ciaran Frawley - 79%
Harry Byrne - 73%France
Romain Ntamack - 88%
Matthieu Jallibert - 66%England
George Ford - 85%
Marcus Smith - 74%Scotland
Finn Russell - 71%It's not like Dmac would stick out here in any way compared to some of the numbers present.
@kpkanz said in All Blacks EOYT:
@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks EOYT:
@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz Those are terrible tackle stats for DMac.
Dmacs tackling stats aren't actually terrible at all relative to other NZ super rugby first fives this season. He's actually bang on average or slightly above the average rate. The Blues 10s were both the top in the country.
Plummer's attacking stats would be fine for a European 10, but DMac's defence stats (and I take your point a host of others in SuperSnore) would be off the scale awful in a major Euroepan competition.
But that's just not true. We have the stats for the European 10s from the last season as well from that same source.
Ireland
Jack Crowley - 89%
Ciaran Frawley - 79%
Harry Byrne - 73%France
Romain Ntamack - 88%
Matthieu Jallibert - 66%England
George Ford - 85%
Marcus Smith - 74%Scotland
Finn Russell - 71%It's not like Dmac would stick out here in any way compared to some of the numbers present.
They are more than 10% worse than the top 10 for three of the four nations you mention. And I really hope the All Blacks aren't going to lose to Scotland any time soon.
You want to be entertained. I don't want my side to lose. These days the NZR thinks like you.
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@kpkanz said in All Blacks EOYT:
@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks EOYT:
@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz Those are terrible tackle stats for DMac.
Dmacs tackling stats aren't actually terrible at all relative to other NZ super rugby first fives this season. He's actually bang on average or slightly above the average rate. The Blues 10s were both the top in the country.
Plummer's attacking stats would be fine for a European 10, but DMac's defence stats (and I take your point a host of others in SuperSnore) would be off the scale awful in a major Euroepan competition.
But that's just not true. We have the stats for the European 10s from the last season as well from that same source.
Ireland
Jack Crowley - 89%
Ciaran Frawley - 79%
Harry Byrne - 73%France
Romain Ntamack - 88%
Matthieu Jallibert - 66%England
George Ford - 85%
Marcus Smith - 74%Scotland
Finn Russell - 71%It's not like Dmac would stick out here in any way compared to some of the numbers present.
They are more than 10% worse than the top 10 for three of the four nations you mention. And I really hope the All Blacks aren't going to lose to Scotland any time soon.
You want to be entertained. I don't want my side to lose. These days the NZR thinks like you.
@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks EOYT:
@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks EOYT:
@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz Those are terrible tackle stats for DMac.
Dmacs tackling stats aren't actually terrible at all relative to other NZ super rugby first fives this season. He's actually bang on average or slightly above the average rate. The Blues 10s were both the top in the country.
Plummer's attacking stats would be fine for a European 10, but DMac's defence stats (and I take your point a host of others in SuperSnore) would be off the scale awful in a major Euroepan competition.
But that's just not true. We have the stats for the European 10s from the last season as well from that same source.
Ireland
Jack Crowley - 89%
Ciaran Frawley - 79%
Harry Byrne - 73%France
Romain Ntamack - 88%
Matthieu Jallibert - 66%England
George Ford - 85%
Marcus Smith - 74%Scotland
Finn Russell - 71%It's not like Dmac would stick out here in any way compared to some of the numbers present.
They are more than 10% worse than the top 10 for three of the four nations you mention. And I really hope the All Blacks aren't going to lose to Scotland any time soon.
You want to be entertained. I don't want my side to lose. These days the NZR thinks like you.
It sounds like you're shifting the goal posts now. You claimed Dmacs tackling percentage is unheard of in 'major European competitions', yet every player I named there is leading MAJOR European clubs/countries in Europe today in the Champions cup and their respective leagues. These players are all in starting Six Nations 23 man squads.
You cant just cherry pick the top tacklers here while ignoring half the list that has a worse tackling percentage and claim it proves Dmacs inadequacy vs northern teams.
And if you are saying you'd drop Dmac for his tackling percentage (which is 75 to Plummers 83) and in turn take all of Plummers negatives (worse kicker, more turnovers/mistakes, inferior by a massive margin on attack) then we just fundamentally disagree.
I'm not taking a vastly inferior player in nearly every metric because his tackling percentage is 7% higher.
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@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks EOYT:
@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks EOYT:
@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@kpkanz Those are terrible tackle stats for DMac.
Dmacs tackling stats aren't actually terrible at all relative to other NZ super rugby first fives this season. He's actually bang on average or slightly above the average rate. The Blues 10s were both the top in the country.
Plummer's attacking stats would be fine for a European 10, but DMac's defence stats (and I take your point a host of others in SuperSnore) would be off the scale awful in a major Euroepan competition.
But that's just not true. We have the stats for the European 10s from the last season as well from that same source.
Ireland
Jack Crowley - 89%
Ciaran Frawley - 79%
Harry Byrne - 73%France
Romain Ntamack - 88%
Matthieu Jallibert - 66%England
George Ford - 85%
Marcus Smith - 74%Scotland
Finn Russell - 71%It's not like Dmac would stick out here in any way compared to some of the numbers present.
They are more than 10% worse than the top 10 for three of the four nations you mention. And I really hope the All Blacks aren't going to lose to Scotland any time soon.
You want to be entertained. I don't want my side to lose. These days the NZR thinks like you.
It sounds like you're shifting the goal posts now. You claimed Dmacs tackling percentage is unheard of in 'major European competitions', yet every player I named there is leading MAJOR European clubs/countries in Europe today in the Champions cup and their respective leagues. These players are all in starting Six Nations 23 man squads.
You cant just cherry pick the top tacklers here while ignoring half the list that has a worse tackling percentage and claim it proves Dmacs inadequacy vs northern teams.
And if you are saying you'd drop Dmac for his tackling percentage (which is 75 to Plummers 83) and in turn take all of Plummers negatives (worse kicker, more turnovers/mistakes, inferior by a massive margin on attack) then we just fundamentally disagree.
I'm not taking a vastly inferior player in nearly every metric because his tackling percentage is 7% higher.
