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  • BerniesCornerB BerniesCorner

    @MiketheSnow said in All Blacks EOYT:

    How Razor can’t find a place for DP baffles me

    I agree

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    @BerniesCorner said in All Blacks EOYT:

    @MiketheSnow said in All Blacks EOYT:

    How Razor can’t find a place for DP baffles me

    I agree

    The only explanation is that he didn’t play alongside his old man

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      At the moment Paps, Sititi and Savea looks an option.
      I'll be disappointed if they don't give JB-Proctor-Ioane a run (12-13-14). They need to try various options.

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      • Landers92L Landers92

        @BerniesCorner said in All Blacks EOYT:

        @Landers92 Have you got the Hollandaise Sauce?

        Haha not bad from you.

        Got tagged above earlier too for any other squad chat but haven’t heard a lot so far. Things seem tight lipped this far which leads me to believe there won’t be a lot/if any changes other than Roigard added.

        Only thing I have been told is not to expect all 3 of Plummer, Perofeta and Love. Its expected only 2 of them will be named in the AB squad with the 1 missing out to be in the AB XV.

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        @Landers92 said in All Blacks EOYT:

        @BerniesCorner said in All Blacks EOYT:

        @Landers92 Have you got the Hollandaise Sauce?

        Haha not bad from you.

        Got tagged above earlier too for any other squad chat but haven’t heard a lot so far. Things seem tight lipped this far which leads me to believe there won’t be a lot/if any changes other than Roigard added.

        Only thing I have been told is not to expect all 3 of Plummer, Perofeta and Love. Its expected only 2 of them will be named in the AB squad with the 1 missing out to be in the AB XV.

        LIFO?

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        • MiketheSnowM MiketheSnow

          That first Counties try was a thing of beauty

          How Razor can’t find a place for DP baffles me

          Roigard looked sharp. His double step offs for his long range try showed he’s fit

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          @MiketheSnow said in All Blacks EOYT:

          That first Counties try was a thing of beauty

          How Razor can’t find a place for DP baffles me

          Roigard looked sharp. His double step offs for his long range try showed he’s fit

          Some great sleight of hand in the pass to him from Hoss.

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            Roigard was sharp for counties eh. Reckon he could open up an avenue to cover ten and have better impact from the bench in the midfield/outside.

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            • P pakman

              @MiketheSnow said in All Blacks EOYT:

              That first Counties try was a thing of beauty

              How Razor can’t find a place for DP baffles me

              Roigard looked sharp. His double step offs for his long range try showed he’s fit

              Some great sleight of hand in the pass to him from Hoss.

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              #152

              @pakman said in All Blacks EOYT:

              @MiketheSnow said in All Blacks EOYT:

              That first Counties try was a thing of beauty

              How Razor can’t find a place for DP baffles me

              Roigard looked sharp. His double step offs for his long range try showed he’s fit

              Some great sleight of hand in the pass to him from Hoss.

              I think Dalton does offer skills and power in attack ( especially at 6 4 and 113kg or whatever the official stats are ) but for whatever reason he hasn’t shown much at the highest level. Anyone care to guess why ?

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                Great news about Fabian Holland: https://www.thepost.co.nz/sport/350441206/highlanders-lock-fabian-holland-jumps-all-blacks-frame-after-world-rugby

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                • MN5M MN5

                  @pakman said in All Blacks EOYT:

                  @MiketheSnow said in All Blacks EOYT:

                  That first Counties try was a thing of beauty

                  How Razor can’t find a place for DP baffles me

                  Roigard looked sharp. His double step offs for his long range try showed he’s fit

                  Some great sleight of hand in the pass to him from Hoss.

                  I think Dalton does offer skills and power in attack ( especially at 6 4 and 113kg or whatever the official stats are ) but for whatever reason he hasn’t shown much at the highest level. Anyone care to guess why ?

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                  @MN5

                  The role of the AB 7 is to be a workhorse in defense and secure the ball.

                  We did see some good running from him 2021 and 2022.

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                  • sparkyS sparky

                    Great news about Fabian Holland: https://www.thepost.co.nz/sport/350441206/highlanders-lock-fabian-holland-jumps-all-blacks-frame-after-world-rugby

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                    @sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:

                    Great news about Fabian Holland: https://www.thepost.co.nz/sport/350441206/highlanders-lock-fabian-holland-jumps-all-blacks-frame-after-world-rugby

                    Have to say I’m gutted to find out the province Holland was born in was not Zeeland (it was Noord-Holland).

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                    • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

                      Can't wait for Holland to get into the ABs so I can make some Dutch Oven references.

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                      @nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:

                      Can't wait for Holland to get into the ABs so I can make some Dutch Oven references.

                      If razor doesn’t select him it’ll be a clear cut case of tall poppy syndrome.

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                        Speaking of double dutch how big is his younger brother Quentin who apparently is a well built lock/6 himself?

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                        • Billy TellB Billy Tell

                          @nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:

                          Can't wait for Holland to get into the ABs so I can make some Dutch Oven references.

                          If razor doesn’t select him it’ll be a clear cut case of tall poppy syndrome.

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                          @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:

                          @nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:

                          Can't wait for Holland to get into the ABs so I can make some Dutch Oven references.

                          If razor doesn’t select him it’ll be a clear cut case of tall poppy syndrome.

                          Word is he will be in AB XV

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                          • FrankF Frank

                            @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:

                            @nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:

                            Can't wait for Holland to get into the ABs so I can make some Dutch Oven references.

                            If razor doesn’t select him it’ll be a clear cut case of tall poppy syndrome.

                            Word is he will be in AB XV

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                            @Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:

                            @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:

                            @nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:

                            Can't wait for Holland to get into the ABs so I can make some Dutch Oven references.

                            If razor doesn’t select him it’ll be a clear cut case of tall poppy syndrome.

                            Word is he will be in AB XV

                            Yeah I suppose promoting him straight to the ABs would require Dutch courage.

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                            • Billy TellB Billy Tell

                              @Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:

                              @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:

                              @nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:

                              Can't wait for Holland to get into the ABs so I can make some Dutch Oven references.

                              If razor doesn’t select him it’ll be a clear cut case of tall poppy syndrome.

                              Word is he will be in AB XV

                              Yeah I suppose promoting him straight to the ABs would require Dutch courage.

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                              @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:

                              @Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:

                              @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:

                              @nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:

                              Can't wait for Holland to get into the ABs so I can make some Dutch Oven references.

                              If razor doesn’t select him it’ll be a clear cut case of tall poppy syndrome.

                              Word is he will be in AB XV

                              Yeah I suppose promoting him straight to the ABs would require Dutch courage.

                              He’ll be fabian in the XV.

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                                I've compiled these stats from the following source (https://www.espn.com/rugby/scoreboard/_/league/242041)

                                This was following a discussion in another thread regarding Perofeta/Plummer.

                                Just some stats (yes they don't tell you the full picture etc etc) covering Dmac/Plummer/Perofeta and their super rugby season. (only using Perofetas games at 10)

                                Try assists per game
                                Dmac - 0.375
                                Perofeta - 0.33
                                Plummer - 0.27

                                Metres made per carry
                                Dmac - 6.1
                                Perofeta - 6.1
                                Plummer - 4.5

                                Linebreaks made per carry
                                Perofeta - 0.11
                                Dmac - 0.07
                                Plummer - 0.03

                                Defenders beaten per carry
                                Dmac - 0.36
                                Perofeta - 0.26
                                Plummer - 0.19

                                Tackle %
                                Plummer - 85%
                                Perofeta - 83%
                                Dmac - 75%

                                Turnovers conceded per game
                                Perofeta - 1.5
                                Plummer - 1.2
                                Dmac - 1.06

                                Kick %
                                Dmac - 85%
                                Plummer - 74%
                                Perofeta - 66%

                                According to this (caveat that these are assumptions based on the statistics provided and do not guarantee anything)..

                                Dmac is the best ball in hand with defenders beaten, creates the most for others, is the best kicker by quite a margin, and actually makes the least mistakes (turnovers) per game. He's also the worst tackler (not a horrible tackler but the worst out of the 3, pretty much average tackling percentage per NZ 10s this season).

                                Perofeta is the worst kicker by far, makes the most mistakes (turnovers), decent tackler, but also very good ball in hand and the most effective at creating linebreaks.

                                Plummer is the worst ball in hand by quite a margin, creates the least, is the best tackler, is a worse kicker and makes more mistakes than Dmac but is a better kicker and makes less mistakes than Perofeta.

                                Perofeta/Plummer have the top tackling percentage per NZ 10s this season.

                                This may be useless to people, stats miss many intangibles on the field etc. Just thought some of the data points would be interesting for some.

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                                  @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                  @Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                  @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                  @nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                  Can't wait for Holland to get into the ABs so I can make some Dutch Oven references.

                                  If razor doesn’t select him it’ll be a clear cut case of tall poppy syndrome.

                                  Word is he will be in AB XV

                                  Yeah I suppose promoting him straight to the ABs would require Dutch courage.

                                  He’ll be fabian in the XV.

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                                  @pakman said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                  @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                  @Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                  @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                  @nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                  Can't wait for Holland to get into the ABs so I can make some Dutch Oven references.

                                  If razor doesn’t select him it’ll be a clear cut case of tall poppy syndrome.

                                  Word is he will be in AB XV

                                  Yeah I suppose promoting him straight to the ABs would require Dutch courage.

                                  He’ll be fabian in the XV.

                                  If razor needs to borrow him for the ABs will he tell Clayton to pass the dutchie?

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                                  • K kpkanz

                                    I've compiled these stats from the following source (https://www.espn.com/rugby/scoreboard/_/league/242041)

                                    This was following a discussion in another thread regarding Perofeta/Plummer.

                                    Just some stats (yes they don't tell you the full picture etc etc) covering Dmac/Plummer/Perofeta and their super rugby season. (only using Perofetas games at 10)

                                    Try assists per game
                                    Dmac - 0.375
                                    Perofeta - 0.33
                                    Plummer - 0.27

                                    Metres made per carry
                                    Dmac - 6.1
                                    Perofeta - 6.1
                                    Plummer - 4.5

                                    Linebreaks made per carry
                                    Perofeta - 0.11
                                    Dmac - 0.07
                                    Plummer - 0.03

                                    Defenders beaten per carry
                                    Dmac - 0.36
                                    Perofeta - 0.26
                                    Plummer - 0.19

                                    Tackle %
                                    Plummer - 85%
                                    Perofeta - 83%
                                    Dmac - 75%

                                    Turnovers conceded per game
                                    Perofeta - 1.5
                                    Plummer - 1.2
                                    Dmac - 1.06

                                    Kick %
                                    Dmac - 85%
                                    Plummer - 74%
                                    Perofeta - 66%

                                    According to this (caveat that these are assumptions based on the statistics provided and do not guarantee anything)..

                                    Dmac is the best ball in hand with defenders beaten, creates the most for others, is the best kicker by quite a margin, and actually makes the least mistakes (turnovers) per game. He's also the worst tackler (not a horrible tackler but the worst out of the 3, pretty much average tackling percentage per NZ 10s this season).

                                    Perofeta is the worst kicker by far, makes the most mistakes (turnovers), decent tackler, but also very good ball in hand and the most effective at creating linebreaks.

                                    Plummer is the worst ball in hand by quite a margin, creates the least, is the best tackler, is a worse kicker and makes more mistakes than Dmac but is a better kicker and makes less mistakes than Perofeta.

                                    Perofeta/Plummer have the top tackling percentage per NZ 10s this season.

                                    This may be useless to people, stats miss many intangibles on the field etc. Just thought some of the data points would be interesting for some.

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                                    @kpkanz try assists only means last pass right? So potential that they created less opportunities. What was the blues attacking points with either at ten, any idea?

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                                    • K kpkanz

                                      I've compiled these stats from the following source (https://www.espn.com/rugby/scoreboard/_/league/242041)

                                      This was following a discussion in another thread regarding Perofeta/Plummer.

                                      Just some stats (yes they don't tell you the full picture etc etc) covering Dmac/Plummer/Perofeta and their super rugby season. (only using Perofetas games at 10)

                                      Try assists per game
                                      Dmac - 0.375
                                      Perofeta - 0.33
                                      Plummer - 0.27

                                      Metres made per carry
                                      Dmac - 6.1
                                      Perofeta - 6.1
                                      Plummer - 4.5

                                      Linebreaks made per carry
                                      Perofeta - 0.11
                                      Dmac - 0.07
                                      Plummer - 0.03

                                      Defenders beaten per carry
                                      Dmac - 0.36
                                      Perofeta - 0.26
                                      Plummer - 0.19

                                      Tackle %
                                      Plummer - 85%
                                      Perofeta - 83%
                                      Dmac - 75%

                                      Turnovers conceded per game
                                      Perofeta - 1.5
                                      Plummer - 1.2
                                      Dmac - 1.06

                                      Kick %
                                      Dmac - 85%
                                      Plummer - 74%
                                      Perofeta - 66%

                                      According to this (caveat that these are assumptions based on the statistics provided and do not guarantee anything)..

                                      Dmac is the best ball in hand with defenders beaten, creates the most for others, is the best kicker by quite a margin, and actually makes the least mistakes (turnovers) per game. He's also the worst tackler (not a horrible tackler but the worst out of the 3, pretty much average tackling percentage per NZ 10s this season).

                                      Perofeta is the worst kicker by far, makes the most mistakes (turnovers), decent tackler, but also very good ball in hand and the most effective at creating linebreaks.

                                      Plummer is the worst ball in hand by quite a margin, creates the least, is the best tackler, is a worse kicker and makes more mistakes than Dmac but is a better kicker and makes less mistakes than Perofeta.

                                      Perofeta/Plummer have the top tackling percentage per NZ 10s this season.

                                      This may be useless to people, stats miss many intangibles on the field etc. Just thought some of the data points would be interesting for some.

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                                      @kpkanz Perofeta and DMac both play fullback as well, and counter attack from deep a lot.

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                                      • K kpkanz

                                        I've compiled these stats from the following source (https://www.espn.com/rugby/scoreboard/_/league/242041)

                                        This was following a discussion in another thread regarding Perofeta/Plummer.

                                        Just some stats (yes they don't tell you the full picture etc etc) covering Dmac/Plummer/Perofeta and their super rugby season. (only using Perofetas games at 10)

                                        Try assists per game
                                        Dmac - 0.375
                                        Perofeta - 0.33
                                        Plummer - 0.27

                                        Metres made per carry
                                        Dmac - 6.1
                                        Perofeta - 6.1
                                        Plummer - 4.5

                                        Linebreaks made per carry
                                        Perofeta - 0.11
                                        Dmac - 0.07
                                        Plummer - 0.03

                                        Defenders beaten per carry
                                        Dmac - 0.36
                                        Perofeta - 0.26
                                        Plummer - 0.19

                                        Tackle %
                                        Plummer - 85%
                                        Perofeta - 83%
                                        Dmac - 75%

                                        Turnovers conceded per game
                                        Perofeta - 1.5
                                        Plummer - 1.2
                                        Dmac - 1.06

                                        Kick %
                                        Dmac - 85%
                                        Plummer - 74%
                                        Perofeta - 66%

                                        According to this (caveat that these are assumptions based on the statistics provided and do not guarantee anything)..

                                        Dmac is the best ball in hand with defenders beaten, creates the most for others, is the best kicker by quite a margin, and actually makes the least mistakes (turnovers) per game. He's also the worst tackler (not a horrible tackler but the worst out of the 3, pretty much average tackling percentage per NZ 10s this season).

                                        Perofeta is the worst kicker by far, makes the most mistakes (turnovers), decent tackler, but also very good ball in hand and the most effective at creating linebreaks.

                                        Plummer is the worst ball in hand by quite a margin, creates the least, is the best tackler, is a worse kicker and makes more mistakes than Dmac but is a better kicker and makes less mistakes than Perofeta.

                                        Perofeta/Plummer have the top tackling percentage per NZ 10s this season.

                                        This may be useless to people, stats miss many intangibles on the field etc. Just thought some of the data points would be interesting for some.

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                                        @kpkanz Those are terrible tackle stats for DMac.

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                                          @kpkanz Those are terrible tackle stats for DMac.

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                                          @sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                          @kpkanz Those are terrible tackle stats for DMac.

                                          I think Plummers underwhelming attacking stats while also making the most mistakes (turnovers) per game is more damning personally.

                                          Dmacs tackling stats aren't actually terrible at all relative to other NZ super rugby first fives this season. He's actually bang on average or slightly above the average rate. The Blues 10s were both the top in the country.

                                          Source - https://theanalyst.com/eu/2024/01/club-rugby-stats-hub

                                          Tackling % 2024 Super Rugby

                                          Blues
                                          Perofeta - 83%
                                          Plummer - 83%

                                          Chiefs
                                          McKenzie - 75%

                                          Crusaders
                                          Fergus Burke - 71%
                                          Riley Hohepa - 76%
                                          Rivez Reihana - 80%

                                          Highlanders
                                          Ajay Faleafaga - 67%
                                          Cameron Millar - 80%

                                          Hurricanes
                                          Brett Cameron 62%
                                          Ruben Love 70%

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