All Blacks XV 2024
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Frank - Who said I'm too nice to do some trolling! But, there's some posters who deserve it!
Who the hell said you were too nice to troll? Clearly they weren't around for the Hammettuer thread.
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks XV 2024:
So are Razor and Ryan still fluffybunnies, or what?
Five hours and the silence is deafening, guys!
I mean, Fihaki over ENS(maybe injured so excusable), JRK and Z.Sullivan is an absolute joke within itself. Dallas McLeod should consider himself extremely lucky but hey, he wears the correct jersey during super season. Don’t even get me started on the Crusaders 3rd string hooker who has somehow managed to sneak his way into this squad… if you read above, there was no silence, I pointed it out. It’s a shame but it is what it is, Razor likes to pick for comfort.
I’m pleasantly surprised we didn’t see more in there so it could be a lot worse but we can deal with it due to how many others are actually being given a chance here. Some much more deserving than others.
Yeah, I stated earlier in this thread that it's a disgrace that McAlister is so high up, couldn't be bothered writing it out again, nothing to do with silence. We all share the same thoughts on Fihaki including Crusaders fans, but we're warned so it's no surprise.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Yeah, I stated earlier in this thread that it's a disgrace that McAlister is so high up, couldn't be bothered writing it out again, nothing to do with silence. We all share the same thoughts on Fihaki including Crusaders fans, but we're warned so it's no surprise.
Repeat it, get told off for being repetitive. Don’t repeat it, get told off for not repeating.
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@pakman said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Seems Donk gave an interview. Anyone seen a link?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350444425/embrace-opportunity-all-blacks-xv-coachs-message-sotutu
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@pakman said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Seems Donk gave an interview. Anyone seen a link?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350444425/embrace-opportunity-all-blacks-xv-coachs-message-sotutu
@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@pakman said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Seems Donk gave an interview. Anyone seen a link?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350444425/embrace-opportunity-all-blacks-xv-coachs-message-sotutu
Good message from Clayton. But does it apply to the full selectors? We’ve had Cantabs just yesterday claiming Ryan and/or Robertson will never work with him.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Yeah, I stated earlier in this thread that it's a disgrace that McAlister is so high up, couldn't be bothered writing it out again, nothing to do with silence. We all share the same thoughts on Fihaki including Crusaders fans, but we're warned so it's no surprise.
Repeat it, get told off for being repetitive. Don’t repeat it, get told off for not repeating.
@Duluth said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Yeah, I stated earlier in this thread that it's a disgrace that McAlister is so high up, couldn't be bothered writing it out again, nothing to do with silence. We all share the same thoughts on Fihaki including Crusaders fans, but we're warned so it's no surprise.
Repeat it, get told off for being repetitive. Don’t repeat it, get told off for not repeating.
Yeah can't win these days!
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Supposedly there needed to be an rticle written about how Razor and Ryan wouldn't work with Blues forwards.
But it foundered when they pointed to Tu'ungafasi, Tuipolotu, Darry and Papali'i
So 3 forwards and Dalton who has been unsighted for the past how many tests?
Dalton started the first tests of the season, so it's a bit hard to argue they wouldn't work with him.
The only forward who was probably a bit hard done by was Hoskins - and that was blown into a major conspiracy (there was no way he was making this A team according to some) - which has now pretty much been debunked.
Not having a crack at you in the slightest. But there's quite a few in Blues land who have been well over the top.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Not having a crack at you in the slightest. But there's quite a few in Blues land who have been well over the top.
That's fair but on the flip side I think there is genuine discussion to be had around the loose forwards
The loose forwards selection on paper seemed unbalanced, has performed poor to middling and yet no changes at all in that group have occurred across 3 squads (with the exception of the departing Sam Cane coming in once up to speed).
Meanwhile the best performing loose forward trio in Super has one player who has been tried and now can't make a 23, and the other two can't make the AB squad (one of whom would not be departing offshore if the selectors had interest in him). Throw in that this coaching setup is chasing Frizell to be in the squad next year.....
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Supposedly there needed to be an rticle written about how Razor and Ryan wouldn't work with Blues forwards.
But it foundered when they pointed to Tu'ungafasi, Tuipolotu, Darry and Papali'i
So 3 forwards and Dalton who has been unsighted for the past how many tests?
Dalton started the first tests of the season, so it's a bit hard to argue they wouldn't work with him.
The only forward who was probably a bit hard done by was Hoskins - and that was blown into a major conspiracy (there was no way he was making this A team according to some) - which has now pretty much been debunked.
Not having a crack at you in the slightest. But there's quite a few in Blues land who have been well over the top.
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Loose forward mix has been shit, with the coaches unable to grip Ardie's drop in effectiveness. I am an Ardie fan, see back to my posts, he was the best AB for about 3 or so years. But not this year, and he needs to be replaced. Sotutu should have been in the suad to do that, and he wasn't. Instead we get Cane who should have been left right out, his last game was utter wank and even when he plays well he is not advancing our long term outlook
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@pakman said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Seems Donk gave an interview. Anyone seen a link?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350444425/embrace-opportunity-all-blacks-xv-coachs-message-sotutu
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@Crazy-Horse George Bower, a recent change for Ethan De Groot.
@SBW1 said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Crazy-Horse George Bower, a recent change for Ethan De Groot.
Are you saying de Groot is injured out of the tour?
Where and when was thus announced. Any replacement for Bower?
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Not having a crack at you in the slightest. But there's quite a few in Blues land who have been well over the top.
That's fair but on the flip side I think there is genuine discussion to be had around the loose forwards
The loose forwards selection on paper seemed unbalanced, has performed poor to middling and yet no changes at all in that group have occurred across 3 squads (with the exception of the departing Sam Cane coming in once up to speed).
Meanwhile the best performing loose forward trio in Super has one player who has been tried and now can't make a 23, and the other two can't make the AB squad (one of whom would not be departing offshore if the selectors had interest in him). Throw in that this coaching setup is chasing Frizell to be in the squad next year.....
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Meanwhile the best performing loose forward trio in Super has one player who has been tried and now can't make a 23, and the other two can't make the AB squad (one of whom would not be departing offshore if the selectors had interest in him). Throw in that this coaching setup is chasing Frizell to be in the squad next year.....
Yeah - but, is that unusual?
Last year the Crusaders won Super rugby for the 7th consecutive season and they had no loose forwards in the initial RWC squad. Blackadder got a late call up and played a minnow game or two.
Paps has been fighting Cane - who's been 1st choice for the past 5 years. I find it a little bit odd they've stuck with Sam given he's leaving, but presumably he's giving them things they think Paps isn't. One thing it's certainly not evidence of is Crusaders' bias.
Razor said his closest call was between Sotutu and Sititi and much of the past week has been veiled insinuations that he'll be shown to be a lying fuck. The jury is in and it's found in favour of Razor.
On Akira, there's been a lot of hypothetical conversations posited about what was said between him and Razor. I have no idea and I occasionally suspect some posters of being Akira (or his Mum), so if they actually know something they should come out and say it.
But the selection patterns do not say that Ryan had no interest in him.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Meanwhile the best performing loose forward trio in Super has one player who has been tried and now can't make a 23, and the other two can't make the AB squad (one of whom would not be departing offshore if the selectors had interest in him). Throw in that this coaching setup is chasing Frizell to be in the squad next year.....
Yeah - but, is that unusual?
Last year the Crusaders won Super rugby for the 7th consecutive season and they had no loose forwards in the initial RWC squad. Blackadder got a late call up and played a minnow game or two.
Paps has been fighting Cane - who's been 1st choice for the past 5 years. I find it a little bit odd they've stuck with Sam given he's leaving, but presumably he's giving them things they think Paps isn't. One thing it's certainly not evidence of is Crusaders' bias.
Razor said his closest call was between Sotutu and Sititi and much of the past week has been veiled insinuations that he'll be shown to be a lying fuck. The jury is in and it's found in favour of Razor.
On Akira, there's been a lot of hypothetical conversations posited about what was said between him and Razor. I have no idea and I occasionally suspect some posters of being Akira (or his Mum), so if they actually know something they should come out and say it.
But the selection patterns do not say that Ryan had no interest in him.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Meanwhile the best performing loose forward trio in Super has one player who has been tried and now can't make a 23, and the other two can't make the AB squad (one of whom would not be departing offshore if the selectors had interest in him). Throw in that this coaching setup is chasing Frizell to be in the squad next year.....
Yeah - but, is that unusual?
Last year the Crusaders won Super rugby for the 7th consecutive season and they had no loose forwards in the initial RWC squad. Blackadder got a late call up and played a minnow game or two.
Paps has been fighting Cane - who's been 1st choice for the past 5 years. I find it a little bit odd they've stuck with Sam given he's leaving, but presumably he's giving them things they think Paps isn't. One thing it's certainly not evidence of is Crusaders' bias.
Razor said his closest call was between Sotutu and Sititi and much of the past week has been veiled insinuations that he'll be shown to be a lying fuck. The jury is in and it's found in favour of Razor.
On Akira, there's been a lot of hypothetical conversations posited about what was said between him and Razor. I have no idea and I occasionally suspect some posters of being Akira (or his Mum), so if they actually know something they should come out and say it.
But the selection patterns do not say that Ryan had no interest in him.
We are going around in circles here so I don't want to clog up the thread but just a few comments in response.
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it's not exactly apples to apples to compare a RWC year with limited build-up and the first year of a new cycle. Heck in the RWC squad because of the weird selection decision there was only 5 loosies picked at all.
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the oddness of Papalii completely falling out of favour is exactly what I'm talking about
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as I said earlier in the thread I was pleased to see form players being picked. It will be interesting what gametime Sotutu gets for the AB XV and where (given Razor's fondness for position utility would they try him at 6 or is he the starting 8 etc) - that may point to how in the frame Sotutu is
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I don't see Ryan clamouring for Akira to return the way he has for Frizell.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Meanwhile the best performing loose forward trio in Super has one player who has been tried and now can't make a 23, and the other two can't make the AB squad (one of whom would not be departing offshore if the selectors had interest in him). Throw in that this coaching setup is chasing Frizell to be in the squad next year.....
Yeah - but, is that unusual?
Last year the Crusaders won Super rugby for the 7th consecutive season and they had no loose forwards in the initial RWC squad. Blackadder got a late call up and played a minnow game or two.
Paps has been fighting Cane - who's been 1st choice for the past 5 years. I find it a little bit odd they've stuck with Sam given he's leaving, but presumably he's giving them things they think Paps isn't. One thing it's certainly not evidence of is Crusaders' bias.
Razor said his closest call was between Sotutu and Sititi and much of the past week has been veiled insinuations that he'll be shown to be a lying fuck. The jury is in and it's found in favour of Razor.
On Akira, there's been a lot of hypothetical conversations posited about what was said between him and Razor. I have no idea and I occasionally suspect some posters of being Akira (or his Mum), so if they actually know something they should come out and say it.
But the selection patterns do not say that Ryan had no interest in him.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Razor said his closest call was between Sotutu and Sititi and much of the past week has been veiled insinuations that he'll be shown to be a lying fuck. The jury is in and it's found in favour of Razor.
On Akira, there's been a lot of hypothetical conversations posited about what was said between him and Razor. I have no idea and I occasionally suspect some posters of being Akira (or his Mum), so if they actually know something they should come out and say it.
But the selection patterns do not say that Ryan had no interest in him.
I feel I'm being gaslit.
What evidence do we have fatty Ryan had any interest in the form blindside flanker of Super Rugby?
If Razor is selecting the AB XV, then he's lumped Sotutu with the likes of McAlister, Ah Kuoi, Kirifi, Lio-Willie, McLeod, Fihaki and Stevenson...
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Meanwhile the best performing loose forward trio in Super has one player who has been tried and now can't make a 23, and the other two can't make the AB squad (one of whom would not be departing offshore if the selectors had interest in him). Throw in that this coaching setup is chasing Frizell to be in the squad next year.....
Yeah - but, is that unusual?
Last year the Crusaders won Super rugby for the 7th consecutive season and they had no loose forwards in the initial RWC squad. Blackadder got a late call up and played a minnow game or two.
Paps has been fighting Cane - who's been 1st choice for the past 5 years. I find it a little bit odd they've stuck with Sam given he's leaving, but presumably he's giving them things they think Paps isn't. One thing it's certainly not evidence of is Crusaders' bias.
Razor said his closest call was between Sotutu and Sititi and much of the past week has been veiled insinuations that he'll be shown to be a lying fuck. The jury is in and it's found in favour of Razor.
On Akira, there's been a lot of hypothetical conversations posited about what was said between him and Razor. I have no idea and I occasionally suspect some posters of being Akira (or his Mum), so if they actually know something they should come out and say it.
But the selection patterns do not say that Ryan had no interest in him.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Meanwhile the best performing loose forward trio in Super has one player who has been tried and now can't make a 23, and the other two can't make the AB squad (one of whom would not be departing offshore if the selectors had interest in him). Throw in that this coaching setup is chasing Frizell to be in the squad next year.....
Yeah - but, is that unusual?
To use your words, a little bit odd indeed.
Last year the Crusaders won Super rugby for the 7th consecutive season and they had no loose forwards in the initial RWC squad. Blackadder got a late call up and played a minnow game or two.
Because the Crusader loosies weren't the best of the best. And they weren't winning the super for 7 years, for much of that Read and someone called McCaw were playing. Nice try, no cigar. This year Sotutu and Ioane were form loose forwards and won the championship and got narry a tadpole.
Paps has been fighting Cane - who's been 1st choice for the past 5 years. I find it a little bit odd they've stuck with Sam given he's leaving, but presumably he's giving them things they think Paps isn't. One thing it's certainly not evidence of is Crusaders' bias.
David Havili says hi.
From a hospital bed and a red n black dripfeed, Blackadder attempts to say hi.
Fihaki gives a big big wave.Razor said his closest call was between Sotutu and Sititi and much of the past week has been veiled insinuations that he'll be shown to be a lying fuck. The jury is in and it's found in favour of Razor.
But it was really between Savea and Sotutu because they played Sititi at 6.
On Akira, there's been a lot of hypothetical conversations posited about what was said between him and Razor. I have no idea and I occasionally suspect some posters of being Akira (or his Mum), so if they actually know something they should come out and say it.
His mum was a Black Fern so too knowledgeable to be a poster here.
But the selection patterns do not say that Ryan had no interest in him.
Patterns? You see patterns?
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Meanwhile the best performing loose forward trio in Super has one player who has been tried and now can't make a 23, and the other two can't make the AB squad (one of whom would not be departing offshore if the selectors had interest in him). Throw in that this coaching setup is chasing Frizell to be in the squad next year.....
Yeah - but, is that unusual?
To use your words, a little bit odd indeed.
Last year the Crusaders won Super rugby for the 7th consecutive season and they had no loose forwards in the initial RWC squad. Blackadder got a late call up and played a minnow game or two.
Because the Crusader loosies weren't the best of the best. And they weren't winning the super for 7 years, for much of that Read and someone called McCaw were playing. Nice try, no cigar. This year Sotutu and Ioane were form loose forwards and won the championship and got narry a tadpole.
Paps has been fighting Cane - who's been 1st choice for the past 5 years. I find it a little bit odd they've stuck with Sam given he's leaving, but presumably he's giving them things they think Paps isn't. One thing it's certainly not evidence of is Crusaders' bias.
David Havili says hi.
From a hospital bed and a red n black dripfeed, Blackadder attempts to say hi.
Fihaki gives a big big wave.Razor said his closest call was between Sotutu and Sititi and much of the past week has been veiled insinuations that he'll be shown to be a lying fuck. The jury is in and it's found in favour of Razor.
But it was really between Savea and Sotutu because they played Sititi at 6.
On Akira, there's been a lot of hypothetical conversations posited about what was said between him and Razor. I have no idea and I occasionally suspect some posters of being Akira (or his Mum), so if they actually know something they should come out and say it.
His mum was a Black Fern so too knowledgeable to be a poster here.
But the selection patterns do not say that Ryan had no interest in him.
Patterns? You see patterns?
@nostrildamus McCaw retired in 2015…. Robertson never coached him
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@nostrildamus McCaw retired in 2015…. Robertson never coached him
@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@nostrildamus McCaw retired in 2015…. Robertson never coached him
Ok true but my essential point is those last few years of Crusaders victories weren't based solely on their loosies, good, but not class-leading.
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There is definite bias-bias on this forum. Accusations of bias for Crusaders from a mentality of bias against the Crusaders.
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@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@nostrildamus McCaw retired in 2015…. Robertson never coached him
Ok true but my essential point is those last few years of Crusaders victories weren't based solely on their loosies, good, but not class-leading.
@nostrildamus the forward pack was exceptional and the loose forwards were apart of that. You can discredit Razors crusaders. Players like Grace and Christie regularly outshone their opponents and didn’t get a look in, plus that included two finals wins against the lions and one against jaguars.
Those blues forwards stepped up when the opposition was weakest. It means very very little
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@nostrildamus the forward pack was exceptional and the loose forwards were apart of that. You can discredit Razors crusaders. Players like Grace and Christie regularly outshone their opponents and didn’t get a look in, plus that included two finals wins against the lions and one against jaguars.
Those blues forwards stepped up when the opposition was weakest. It means very very little
@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@nostrildamus the forward pack was exceptional and the loose forwards were apart of that. You can discredit Razors crusaders. Players like Grace and Christie regularly outshone their opponents and didn’t get a look in, plus that included two finals wins against the lions and one against jaguars.
Those blues forwards stepped up when the opposition was weakest. It means very very little
So you've just confirmed that it only counts when the Crusaders do well, Interesting take.
Maybe the Blues pack benefitted from having a better coach this year? Maybe Cotter just knew how to get the best out of the Blues pack, where even journeymen like Renata and Riccitelli stepped up their game? Maybe MacDonald and Coventry couldn't quite get these Blues players to the next level?
Credit where it's due, Robertson did a great job with Christie and Grace, especially the very limited Christie they were horrendous this year however, without him. Lio Willie and Blackadder were far better when they eventually took the field.
