Black Caps tour of India
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@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:
Top order batting line up of…..
Latham
Conway
Young
Ravindra
Mitchell
Blundell…..still looks pretty damn handy on paper. We’ve fielded a shitload worse……
But one guy makes all the difference to that line up. In true NZ fashion you can guarantee a collapse or two at least
Looks like a collapse every time
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@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:
Top order batting line up of…..
Latham
Conway
Young
Ravindra
Mitchell
Blundell…..still looks pretty damn handy on paper. We’ve fielded a shitload worse……
But one guy makes all the difference to that line up. In true NZ fashion you can guarantee a collapse or two at least
Looks like a collapse every time
Here’s one for the stats nerds…….
I’m fairly sure during our darkest days just before Ross Taylor made his debut that we fielded a top order with ZERO test centuries between them at one stage ? The only hundreds in the team belonged to McCullum and Vettori at 7 and 8.
Is that true or did I imagine it ?
Names like Papps, How, Fulton ( he did go on and get some ),
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@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:
Top order batting line up of…..
Latham
Conway
Young
Ravindra
Mitchell
Blundell…..still looks pretty damn handy on paper. We’ve fielded a shitload worse……
But one guy makes all the difference to that line up. In true NZ fashion you can guarantee a collapse or two at least
Looks like a collapse every time
Here’s one for the stats nerds…….
I’m fairly sure during our darkest days just before Ross Taylor made his debut that we fielded a top order with ZERO test centuries between them at one stage ? The only hundreds in the team belonged to McCullum and Vettori at 7 and 8.
Is that true or did I imagine it ?
Names like Papps, How, Fulton ( he did go on and get some ),
Yeah that happened
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I naively renewed sky sport app subscription before Sri Lanka series. Have already had a reminder in my calendar for a few weeks to cancelitr before it ticks over into the second month.
My eyeballs will be spared this massacre.
Hopefully Stead will be gone by the time I m next tempted to renew it
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@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:
Here’s one for the stats nerds…….
I’m fairly sure during our darkest days just before Ross Taylor made his debut that we fielded a top order with ZERO test centuries between them at one stage ? The only hundreds in the team belonged to McCullum and Vettori at 7 and 8.
Is that true or did I imagine it ?
Names like Papps, How, Fulton ( he did go on and get some ),
I don't think so. I reckon you're probably imagining it.
Taylor scored ton in his 3rd test iirc , and he overlapped with Fleming. Plus Ryder tonning up on test debut at that time. Plus Guptill getting his early.
I'd be surprised if we ever had a top 6 in that era minus any century maker.
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@Rapido said in Black Caps tour of India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:
@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:
Here’s one for the stats nerds…….
I’m fairly sure during our darkest days just before Ross Taylor made his debut that we fielded a top order with ZERO test centuries between them at one stage ? The only hundreds in the team belonged to McCullum and Vettori at 7 and 8.
Is that true or did I imagine it ?
Names like Papps, How, Fulton ( he did go on and get some ),
I don't think so. I reckon you're probably imagining it.
Taylor scored ton in his 3rd test iirc , and he overlapped with Fleming. Plus Ryder tonning up on test debut at that time. Plus Guptill getting his early.
I'd be surprised if we ever had a top 6 in that era minus any century maker.
Hmmmm I mentioned Papps, Fulton, How……add in Flynn, Redmond….did they ever all play together ?
Maybe I am imagining it, it was definitely when Ryder and Taylor emerged and Fleming retired.
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There was that series in Bangladesh where Vettori essentially had to bat at #5(?). That might have been close to that stat, but also technically ruled out by having to promote Dan.
There was a phase around where the top six had very view tons, but it'd probably take a lot of scorecard scanning.
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It never happened. NZ hasn't played all that many tests. If you bring up a list of every Test we have played and similar lists for Fleming and Taylor you don't need to check scorecards. One was ever present right through till the rise of Kane and the golden age
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@Donsteppa said in Black Caps tour of India:
There was that series in Bangladesh where Vettori essentially had to bat at #5(?). That might have been close to that stat, but also technically ruled out by having to promote Dan.
There was a phase around where the top six had very view tons, but it'd probably take a lot of scorecard scanning.
That match had 3 century makers in top 6 in first innings and 4 in second innings (where Vettori promoted himself to 4 and 4,5,6 dropped down a spot each meaning Flynn dropped to 7).
Baz was batting at 5 that series as well as keeping. The other 2 being Taylor and Ryder.
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I do have memories of that as well, either Dan was the only one with a test ton, or he had more test tons than anyone else in the team. It was most likely the latter but he was our best batsmen for a time. Best bowler, best batsmen, captain and coach all at once, what a man.
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@No-Quarter said in Black Caps tour of India:
I do have memories of that as well, either Dan was the only one with a test ton, or he had more test tons than anyone else in the team. It was most likely the latter but he was our best batsmen for a time. Best bowler, best batsmen, captain and coach all at once, what a man.
Ah yeah maybe that was it !
I know lots of the guys I mentioned had high scores around 80 or 90
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I’d vote for the three seamers personally. Big workload for Phillips and Patel but Mitchell and Ravindra can offer support too.
Also they’re underrating Henrys batting a bit, he’s proven pretty capable. Averages 22 to Santners 24 and he has proven he can actually take wickets.
The article talks up Ashwin and Jadeja, it’s unfair that a single country has BOTH of them playing at the same time.
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The only thing that really sticks in that article. Surely not even the current Black Caps brains trust would ever bat Southee at #8 in a Test line-up ever again...
Can't see his bowling being remotely threatening to guys who train with the Indian attack, either.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:
I’d vote for the three seamers personally. Big workload for Phillips and Patel but Mitchell and Ravindra can offer support too.
Also they’re underrating Henrys batting a bit, he’s proven pretty capable. Averages 22 to Santners 24 and he has proven he can actually take wickets.
The article talks up Ashwin and Jadeja, it’s unfair that a single country has BOTH of them playing at the same time.
100% agree
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@Donsteppa said in Black Caps tour of India:
The only thing that really sticks in that article. Surely not even the current Black Caps brains trust would ever bat Southee at #8 in a Test line-up ever again...
Can't see his bowling being remotely threatening to guys who train with the Indian attack, either.
The Indian batting line up might not be quite as strong as the days of Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman ( although there isn’t too much in it ) but that is a generational bowling attack.
Ashwin and Jadeja are just extraordinary cricketers ( ESPECIALLY at home ) and Bumrah is a very rare individual indeed, a genuinely world class Indian fast bowler ( with all due respect to Kapil Dev, Zaheer Khan, Javagal Srinath etc ) Siraj is more than handy too.
The Black Caps will be doing very well just to avoid complete and utter embarrassment I reckon. The decline from 2021 is well and truly in motion unfortunately
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Agreed. My main hope is to avoid a batting catastrophe like the Sri Lankan series, and to at least be worthy of a three Test series.
That decline from 2021 could make this the last series for a couple of that era - Southee, Conway especially - unless a dramatic return to form & technique is found.
