Black Caps tour of India - 2024

Chris

@Donsteppa said in Black Caps tour of India:

Yikes! No Kane makes it officially Hiding Behind The Couch Time before a ball has even been bowled...

You mean hiding behind a bigger couch……

Not only that Michael Bracewell is only available for ONE test !!!!!

that maybe a good thing.

MN5

@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:

@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

@Donsteppa said in Black Caps tour of India:

Yikes! No Kane makes it officially Hiding Behind The Couch Time before a ball has even been bowled...

You mean hiding behind a bigger couch……

Not only that Michael Bracewell is only available for ONE test !!!!!

that maybe a good thing.

Yeah I think you completely missed the sarcasm there.

Bracewell is a Santner clone at test level.

MN5

Top order batting line up of…..

Latham
Conway
Young
Ravindra
Mitchell
Blundell

…..still looks pretty damn handy on paper. We’ve fielded a shitload worse……

But one guy makes all the difference to that line up. In true NZ fashion you can guarantee a collapse or two at least

Chris

@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:

@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

@Donsteppa said in Black Caps tour of India:

Yikes! No Kane makes it officially Hiding Behind The Couch Time before a ball has even been bowled...

You mean hiding behind a bigger couch……

Not only that Michael Bracewell is only available for ONE test !!!!!

that maybe a good thing.

Yeah I think you completely missed the sarcasm there.

Bracewell is a Santner clone at test level.

Yeah not at test level in anyway.

Donsteppa

@MN5 That promptly reminded me of Brian Clough - "We had a good team on paper. Unfortunately, the game was played on grass".

Chris

@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

Top order batting line up of…..

Latham
Conway
Young
Ravindra
Mitchell
Blundell

…..still looks pretty damn handy on paper. We’ve fielded a shitload worse……

But one guy makes all the difference to that line up. In true NZ fashion you can guarantee a collapse or two at least

Looks like a collapse every time

MN5

@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:

@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

Top order batting line up of…..

Latham
Conway
Young
Ravindra
Mitchell
Blundell

…..still looks pretty damn handy on paper. We’ve fielded a shitload worse……

But one guy makes all the difference to that line up. In true NZ fashion you can guarantee a collapse or two at least

Looks like a collapse every time

Here’s one for the stats nerds…….

I’m fairly sure during our darkest days just before Ross Taylor made his debut that we fielded a top order with ZERO test centuries between them at one stage ? The only hundreds in the team belonged to McCullum and Vettori at 7 and 8.

Is that true or did I imagine it ?

Names like Papps, How, Fulton ( he did go on and get some ),

Chris

@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:

@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

Top order batting line up of…..

Latham
Conway
Young
Ravindra
Mitchell
Blundell

…..still looks pretty damn handy on paper. We’ve fielded a shitload worse……

But one guy makes all the difference to that line up. In true NZ fashion you can guarantee a collapse or two at least

Looks like a collapse every time

Here’s one for the stats nerds…….

I’m fairly sure during our darkest days just before Ross Taylor made his debut that we fielded a top order with ZERO test centuries between them at one stage ? The only hundreds in the team belonged to McCullum and Vettori at 7 and 8.

Is that true or did I imagine it ?

Names like Papps, How, Fulton ( he did go on and get some ),

Yeah that happened

Rapido

I doubt nz will make 200 in any of the 6 innings. And I'm expecting 'normal' pitches, not bunsens

Didn't expect much from Kane anyway, tbh.

MN5

@Rapido said in Black Caps tour of India:

I doubt nz will make 200 in any of the 6 innings. And I'm expecting 'normal' pitches, not bunsens

Didn't expect much from Kane anyway, tbh.

May as well cancel the tour then

Rapido

I naively renewed sky sport app subscription before Sri Lanka series. Have already had a reminder in my calendar for a few weeks to cancelitr before it ticks over into the second month.

My eyeballs will be spared this massacre.

Hopefully Stead will be gone by the time I m next tempted to renew it

Rapido

@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:

@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

Here’s one for the stats nerds…….

I’m fairly sure during our darkest days just before Ross Taylor made his debut that we fielded a top order with ZERO test centuries between them at one stage ? The only hundreds in the team belonged to McCullum and Vettori at 7 and 8.

Is that true or did I imagine it ?

Names like Papps, How, Fulton ( he did go on and get some ),

I don't think so. I reckon you're probably imagining it.

Taylor scored ton in his 3rd test iirc , and he overlapped with Fleming. Plus Ryder tonning up on test debut at that time. Plus Guptill getting his early.

I'd be surprised if we ever had a top 6 in that era minus any century maker.

MN5

@Rapido said in Black Caps tour of India:

@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

@Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:

@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

Here’s one for the stats nerds…….

I’m fairly sure during our darkest days just before Ross Taylor made his debut that we fielded a top order with ZERO test centuries between them at one stage ? The only hundreds in the team belonged to McCullum and Vettori at 7 and 8.

Is that true or did I imagine it ?

Names like Papps, How, Fulton ( he did go on and get some ),

I don't think so. I reckon you're probably imagining it.

Taylor scored ton in his 3rd test iirc , and he overlapped with Fleming. Plus Ryder tonning up on test debut at that time. Plus Guptill getting his early.

I'd be surprised if we ever had a top 6 in that era minus any century maker.

Hmmmm I mentioned Papps, Fulton, How……add in Flynn, Redmond….did they ever all play together ?

Maybe I am imagining it, it was definitely when Ryder and Taylor emerged and Fleming retired.

Donsteppa

There was that series in Bangladesh where Vettori essentially had to bat at #5(?). That might have been close to that stat, but also technically ruled out by having to promote Dan.

There was a phase around where the top six had very view tons, but it'd probably take a lot of scorecard scanning.

dogmeat

It never happened. NZ hasn't played all that many tests. If you bring up a list of every Test we have played and similar lists for Fleming and Taylor you don't need to check scorecards. One was ever present right through till the rise of Kane and the golden age

Rapido

@Donsteppa said in Black Caps tour of India:

There was that series in Bangladesh where Vettori essentially had to bat at #5(?). That might have been close to that stat, but also technically ruled out by having to promote Dan.

There was a phase around where the top six had very view tons, but it'd probably take a lot of scorecard scanning.

That match had 3 century makers in top 6 in first innings and 4 in second innings (where Vettori promoted himself to 4 and 4,5,6 dropped down a spot each meaning Flynn dropped to 7).

Baz was batting at 5 that series as well as keeping. The other 2 being Taylor and Ryder.

Donsteppa

Thinking back. We also had a lot of players who, while not necessarily in the running for the All Time XI, also managed at least a ton or two, or an even bigger score during their time.

No Quarter

I do have memories of that as well, either Dan was the only one with a test ton, or he had more test tons than anyone else in the team. It was most likely the latter but he was our best batsmen for a time. Best bowler, best batsmen, captain and coach all at once, what a man.

MN5

@No-Quarter said in Black Caps tour of India:

I do have memories of that as well, either Dan was the only one with a test ton, or he had more test tons than anyone else in the team. It was most likely the latter but he was our best batsmen for a time. Best bowler, best batsmen, captain and coach all at once, what a man.

Ah yeah maybe that was it !

I know lots of the guys I mentioned had high scores around 80 or 90

MN5

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350449864/two-seamers-or-three-big-black-caps-question-ahead-india-tests

I’d vote for the three seamers personally. Big workload for Phillips and Patel but Mitchell and Ravindra can offer support too.

Also they’re underrating Henrys batting a bit, he’s proven pretty capable. Averages 22 to Santners 24 and he has proven he can actually take wickets.

The article talks up Ashwin and Jadeja, it’s unfair that a single country has BOTH of them playing at the same time.

The Silver Fern

Black Caps tour of India - 2024