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Black Caps tour of India - 2024

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  • MN5M Online
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    #7

    Top order batting line up of…..

    Latham
    Conway
    Young
    Ravindra
    Mitchell
    Blundell

    …..still looks pretty damn handy on paper. We’ve fielded a shitload worse……

    But one guy makes all the difference to that line up. In true NZ fashion you can guarantee a collapse or two at least

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      @Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:

      @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

      @Donsteppa said in Black Caps tour of India:

      Yikes! No Kane makes it officially Hiding Behind The Couch Time before a ball has even been bowled...

      You mean hiding behind a bigger couch……

      Not only that Michael Bracewell is only available for ONE test !!!!!

      that maybe a good thing.

      Yeah I think you completely missed the sarcasm there.

      Bracewell is a Santner clone at test level.

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      @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

      @Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:

      @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

      @Donsteppa said in Black Caps tour of India:

      Yikes! No Kane makes it officially Hiding Behind The Couch Time before a ball has even been bowled...

      You mean hiding behind a bigger couch……

      Not only that Michael Bracewell is only available for ONE test !!!!!

      that maybe a good thing.

      Yeah I think you completely missed the sarcasm there.

      Bracewell is a Santner clone at test level.

      Yeah not at test level in anyway.

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      • MN5M MN5

        Top order batting line up of…..

        Latham
        Conway
        Young
        Ravindra
        Mitchell
        Blundell

        …..still looks pretty damn handy on paper. We’ve fielded a shitload worse……

        But one guy makes all the difference to that line up. In true NZ fashion you can guarantee a collapse or two at least

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        Donsteppa
        wrote on last edited by Donsteppa
        #9

        @MN5 That promptly reminded me of Brian Clough - "We had a good team on paper. Unfortunately, the game was played on grass".

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        • MN5M MN5

          Top order batting line up of…..

          Latham
          Conway
          Young
          Ravindra
          Mitchell
          Blundell

          …..still looks pretty damn handy on paper. We’ve fielded a shitload worse……

          But one guy makes all the difference to that line up. In true NZ fashion you can guarantee a collapse or two at least

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          Chris
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          #10

          @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

          Top order batting line up of…..

          Latham
          Conway
          Young
          Ravindra
          Mitchell
          Blundell

          …..still looks pretty damn handy on paper. We’ve fielded a shitload worse……

          But one guy makes all the difference to that line up. In true NZ fashion you can guarantee a collapse or two at least

          Looks like a collapse every time

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          • ChrisC Chris

            @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

            Top order batting line up of…..

            Latham
            Conway
            Young
            Ravindra
            Mitchell
            Blundell

            …..still looks pretty damn handy on paper. We’ve fielded a shitload worse……

            But one guy makes all the difference to that line up. In true NZ fashion you can guarantee a collapse or two at least

            Looks like a collapse every time

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            MN5M Online
            MN5
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            #11

            @Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:

            @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

            Top order batting line up of…..

            Latham
            Conway
            Young
            Ravindra
            Mitchell
            Blundell

            …..still looks pretty damn handy on paper. We’ve fielded a shitload worse……

            But one guy makes all the difference to that line up. In true NZ fashion you can guarantee a collapse or two at least

            Looks like a collapse every time

            Here’s one for the stats nerds…….

            I’m fairly sure during our darkest days just before Ross Taylor made his debut that we fielded a top order with ZERO test centuries between them at one stage ? The only hundreds in the team belonged to McCullum and Vettori at 7 and 8.

            Is that true or did I imagine it ?

            Names like Papps, How, Fulton ( he did go on and get some ),

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            • MN5M MN5

              @Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:

              @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

              Top order batting line up of…..

              Latham
              Conway
              Young
              Ravindra
              Mitchell
              Blundell

              …..still looks pretty damn handy on paper. We’ve fielded a shitload worse……

              But one guy makes all the difference to that line up. In true NZ fashion you can guarantee a collapse or two at least

              Looks like a collapse every time

              Here’s one for the stats nerds…….

              I’m fairly sure during our darkest days just before Ross Taylor made his debut that we fielded a top order with ZERO test centuries between them at one stage ? The only hundreds in the team belonged to McCullum and Vettori at 7 and 8.

              Is that true or did I imagine it ?

              Names like Papps, How, Fulton ( he did go on and get some ),

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              Chris
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              @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

              @Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:

              @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

              Top order batting line up of…..

              Latham
              Conway
              Young
              Ravindra
              Mitchell
              Blundell

              …..still looks pretty damn handy on paper. We’ve fielded a shitload worse……

              But one guy makes all the difference to that line up. In true NZ fashion you can guarantee a collapse or two at least

              Looks like a collapse every time

              Here’s one for the stats nerds…….

              I’m fairly sure during our darkest days just before Ross Taylor made his debut that we fielded a top order with ZERO test centuries between them at one stage ? The only hundreds in the team belonged to McCullum and Vettori at 7 and 8.

              Is that true or did I imagine it ?

              Names like Papps, How, Fulton ( he did go on and get some ),

              Yeah that happened

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                Rapido
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                I doubt nz will make 200 in any of the 6 innings. And I'm expecting 'normal' pitches, not bunsens

                Didn't expect much from Kane anyway, tbh.

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                • RapidoR Rapido

                  I doubt nz will make 200 in any of the 6 innings. And I'm expecting 'normal' pitches, not bunsens

                  Didn't expect much from Kane anyway, tbh.

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                  MN5
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                  @Rapido said in Black Caps tour of India:

                  I doubt nz will make 200 in any of the 6 innings. And I'm expecting 'normal' pitches, not bunsens

                  Didn't expect much from Kane anyway, tbh.

                  May as well cancel the tour then

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                    I naively renewed sky sport app subscription before Sri Lanka series. Have already had a reminder in my calendar for a few weeks to cancelitr before it ticks over into the second month.

                    My eyeballs will be spared this massacre.

                    Hopefully Stead will be gone by the time I m next tempted to renew it

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                    • ChrisC Chris

                      @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

                      @Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:

                      @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

                      Top order batting line up of…..

                      Latham
                      Conway
                      Young
                      Ravindra
                      Mitchell
                      Blundell

                      …..still looks pretty damn handy on paper. We’ve fielded a shitload worse……

                      But one guy makes all the difference to that line up. In true NZ fashion you can guarantee a collapse or two at least

                      Looks like a collapse every time

                      Here’s one for the stats nerds…….

                      I’m fairly sure during our darkest days just before Ross Taylor made his debut that we fielded a top order with ZERO test centuries between them at one stage ? The only hundreds in the team belonged to McCullum and Vettori at 7 and 8.

                      Is that true or did I imagine it ?

                      Names like Papps, How, Fulton ( he did go on and get some ),

                      Yeah that happened

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                      Rapido
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                      @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

                      @Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:

                      @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

                      Here’s one for the stats nerds…….

                      I’m fairly sure during our darkest days just before Ross Taylor made his debut that we fielded a top order with ZERO test centuries between them at one stage ? The only hundreds in the team belonged to McCullum and Vettori at 7 and 8.

                      Is that true or did I imagine it ?

                      Names like Papps, How, Fulton ( he did go on and get some ),

                      I don't think so. I reckon you're probably imagining it.

                      Taylor scored ton in his 3rd test iirc , and he overlapped with Fleming. Plus Ryder tonning up on test debut at that time. Plus Guptill getting his early.

                      I'd be surprised if we ever had a top 6 in that era minus any century maker.

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                      • RapidoR Rapido

                        @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

                        @Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:

                        @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

                        Here’s one for the stats nerds…….

                        I’m fairly sure during our darkest days just before Ross Taylor made his debut that we fielded a top order with ZERO test centuries between them at one stage ? The only hundreds in the team belonged to McCullum and Vettori at 7 and 8.

                        Is that true or did I imagine it ?

                        Names like Papps, How, Fulton ( he did go on and get some ),

                        I don't think so. I reckon you're probably imagining it.

                        Taylor scored ton in his 3rd test iirc , and he overlapped with Fleming. Plus Ryder tonning up on test debut at that time. Plus Guptill getting his early.

                        I'd be surprised if we ever had a top 6 in that era minus any century maker.

                        MN5M Online
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                        MN5
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                        @Rapido said in Black Caps tour of India:

                        @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

                        @Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:

                        @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

                        Here’s one for the stats nerds…….

                        I’m fairly sure during our darkest days just before Ross Taylor made his debut that we fielded a top order with ZERO test centuries between them at one stage ? The only hundreds in the team belonged to McCullum and Vettori at 7 and 8.

                        Is that true or did I imagine it ?

                        Names like Papps, How, Fulton ( he did go on and get some ),

                        I don't think so. I reckon you're probably imagining it.

                        Taylor scored ton in his 3rd test iirc , and he overlapped with Fleming. Plus Ryder tonning up on test debut at that time. Plus Guptill getting his early.

                        I'd be surprised if we ever had a top 6 in that era minus any century maker.

                        Hmmmm I mentioned Papps, Fulton, How……add in Flynn, Redmond….did they ever all play together ?

                        Maybe I am imagining it, it was definitely when Ryder and Taylor emerged and Fleming retired.

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                          Donsteppa
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                          There was that series in Bangladesh where Vettori essentially had to bat at #5(?). That might have been close to that stat, but also technically ruled out by having to promote Dan.

                          There was a phase around where the top six had very view tons, but it'd probably take a lot of scorecard scanning.

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                            It never happened. NZ hasn't played all that many tests. If you bring up a list of every Test we have played and similar lists for Fleming and Taylor you don't need to check scorecards. One was ever present right through till the rise of Kane and the golden age

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                              There was that series in Bangladesh where Vettori essentially had to bat at #5(?). That might have been close to that stat, but also technically ruled out by having to promote Dan.

                              There was a phase around where the top six had very view tons, but it'd probably take a lot of scorecard scanning.

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                              @Donsteppa said in Black Caps tour of India:

                              There was that series in Bangladesh where Vettori essentially had to bat at #5(?). That might have been close to that stat, but also technically ruled out by having to promote Dan.

                              There was a phase around where the top six had very view tons, but it'd probably take a lot of scorecard scanning.

                              That match had 3 century makers in top 6 in first innings and 4 in second innings (where Vettori promoted himself to 4 and 4,5,6 dropped down a spot each meaning Flynn dropped to 7).

                              Baz was batting at 5 that series as well as keeping. The other 2 being Taylor and Ryder.

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                                Thinking back. We also had a lot of players who, while not necessarily in the running for the All Time XI, also managed at least a ton or two, or an even bigger score during their time.

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                                  No Quarter
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                                  I do have memories of that as well, either Dan was the only one with a test ton, or he had more test tons than anyone else in the team. It was most likely the latter but he was our best batsmen for a time. Best bowler, best batsmen, captain and coach all at once, what a man.

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                                    I do have memories of that as well, either Dan was the only one with a test ton, or he had more test tons than anyone else in the team. It was most likely the latter but he was our best batsmen for a time. Best bowler, best batsmen, captain and coach all at once, what a man.

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                                    MN5
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                                    @No-Quarter said in Black Caps tour of India:

                                    I do have memories of that as well, either Dan was the only one with a test ton, or he had more test tons than anyone else in the team. It was most likely the latter but he was our best batsmen for a time. Best bowler, best batsmen, captain and coach all at once, what a man.

                                    Ah yeah maybe that was it !

                                    I know lots of the guys I mentioned had high scores around 80 or 90

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                                      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350449864/two-seamers-or-three-big-black-caps-question-ahead-india-tests

                                      I’d vote for the three seamers personally. Big workload for Phillips and Patel but Mitchell and Ravindra can offer support too.

                                      Also they’re underrating Henrys batting a bit, he’s proven pretty capable. Averages 22 to Santners 24 and he has proven he can actually take wickets.

                                      The article talks up Ashwin and Jadeja, it’s unfair that a single country has BOTH of them playing at the same time.

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                                        The only thing that really sticks in that article. Surely not even the current Black Caps brains trust would ever bat Southee at #8 in a Test line-up ever again...

                                        Can't see his bowling being remotely threatening to guys who train with the Indian attack, either.

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                                        • MN5M MN5

                                          https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350449864/two-seamers-or-three-big-black-caps-question-ahead-india-tests

                                          I’d vote for the three seamers personally. Big workload for Phillips and Patel but Mitchell and Ravindra can offer support too.

                                          Also they’re underrating Henrys batting a bit, he’s proven pretty capable. Averages 22 to Santners 24 and he has proven he can actually take wickets.

                                          The article talks up Ashwin and Jadeja, it’s unfair that a single country has BOTH of them playing at the same time.

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                                          @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

                                          https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350449864/two-seamers-or-three-big-black-caps-question-ahead-india-tests

                                          I’d vote for the three seamers personally. Big workload for Phillips and Patel but Mitchell and Ravindra can offer support too.

                                          Also they’re underrating Henrys batting a bit, he’s proven pretty capable. Averages 22 to Santners 24 and he has proven he can actually take wickets.

                                          The article talks up Ashwin and Jadeja, it’s unfair that a single country has BOTH of them playing at the same time.

                                          100% agree

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