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  • B brodean

    @nzzp

    Dalton is fast. Did you see the try he scored for Counties from halfway last week? You don't see many loose forwards in NZ scoring from that far out.

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    @brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:

    @nzzp

    Dalton is fast. Did you see the try he scored for Counties from halfway last week? You don't see many loose forwards in NZ scoring from that far out.

    It's an impressive highlight, but top-end speed (while an awesome bonus to have) isn't all that important for flankers, otherwise Eric Rush would have been Richie McCaw.

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      @brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:

      @nzzp

      Dalton is fast. Did you see the try he scored for Counties from halfway last week? You don't see many loose forwards in NZ scoring from that far out.

      It's an impressive highlight, but top-end speed (while an awesome bonus to have) isn't all that important for flankers, otherwise Eric Rush would have been Richie McCaw.

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      @reprobate

      He gets to rucks that Blackadder and Cane don't. He's actually better suited to the wider game plan for that reason.

      If you watch 34 year old McCaw in the 2015 RWC he's got a lot more speed about him than 30 year old Sam Cane did.

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        @Canes4life said in All Blacks EOYT:

        Can't wait to see Riley in black this year based on the below stats. His ability to offload and pirrouette on a dime is unmatched by any other centre in NZ IMO, he provides a real point of difference offensively.

        I think Riley would agree he needs to work on his defence though. Can miss some 1 on 1 tackles at times. Brilliant attacking midfielder however.

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        @foobaNZ said in All Blacks EOYT:

        @Canes4life said in All Blacks EOYT:

        Can't wait to see Riley in black this year based on the below stats. His ability to offload and pirrouette on a dime is unmatched by any other centre in NZ IMO, he provides a real point of difference offensively.

        I think Riley would agree he needs to work on his defence though. Can miss some 1 on 1 tackles at times. Brilliant attacking midfielder however.

        Oh 100% but at 22 he’s got plenty of time to improve in that area. I remember it took B Proctor about three or four years to become comfortable defensively. In Barrett and Proctor, Higgins has the right guys around him to learn from.

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          @reprobate

          He gets to rucks that Blackadder and Cane don't. He's actually better suited to the wider game plan for that reason.

          If you watch 34 year old McCaw in the 2015 RWC he's got a lot more speed about him than 30 year old Sam Cane did.

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          @brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:

          @reprobate

          He gets to rucks that Blackadder and Cane don't. He's actually better suited to the wider game plan for that reason.

          If you watch 34 year old McCaw in the 2015 RWC he's got a lot more speed about him than 30 year old Sam Cane did.

          Personally I think Blackadder has acceptable speed for a loosie. You don't see him getting skinned in the defensive line like Cane and he can hit onto the ball hard. One video of him running slowly seems to carry a lot of weight. I'd like to see some good ruck stats on our loosies.
          McCaw was reasonably quick when young, quite a bit less so by the end of his career, but he had a truly great ability to read the play and be in the right place.

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            @brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:

            @reprobate

            He gets to rucks that Blackadder and Cane don't. He's actually better suited to the wider game plan for that reason.

            If you watch 34 year old McCaw in the 2015 RWC he's got a lot more speed about him than 30 year old Sam Cane did.

            Personally I think Blackadder has acceptable speed for a loosie. You don't see him getting skinned in the defensive line like Cane and he can hit onto the ball hard. One video of him running slowly seems to carry a lot of weight. I'd like to see some good ruck stats on our loosies.
            McCaw was reasonably quick when young, quite a bit less so by the end of his career, but he had a truly great ability to read the play and be in the right place.

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            @reprobate said in All Blacks EOYT:

            @brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:

            @reprobate

            He gets to rucks that Blackadder and Cane don't. He's actually better suited to the wider game plan for that reason.

            If you watch 34 year old McCaw in the 2015 RWC he's got a lot more speed about him than 30 year old Sam Cane did.

            Personally I think Blackadder has acceptable speed for a loosie. You don't see him getting skinned in the defensive line like Cane and he can hit onto the ball hard. One video of him running slowly seems to carry a lot of weight. I'd like to see some good ruck stats on our loosies.
            McCaw was reasonably quick when young, quite a bit less so by the end of his career, but he had a truly great ability to read the play and be in the right place.

            Being busy and ineffective is tiring

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            • FrankF Frank

              Have a horrible feeling (just based on how conservatve Razor has been) that Blackadder might start ahead of Sititi in big games and that TJP gets one of the halfback spots.

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              @Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:

              Have a horrible feeling (just based on how conservatve Razor has been) that Blackadder might start ahead of Sititi in big games and that TJP gets one of the halfback spots.

              I would assume Blackadder slots straight into the 20 jersey for the big matches (but probably gets one start against one of the big three).

              Perenara will probably be on the bench for a couple of those games simply because Roigard is still pretty short of minutes.

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                Japan v New Zealand
                Venue: Nissan Stadium, Yokohama
                Referee: Jordan Way (RA)
                Assistant Referees: Nic Berry (RA), Reuben Keane (RA)
                TMO: Damon Murphy (RA)
                FPRO: Brett Cronan (RA)

                England v New Zealand
                Venue: Allianz Stadium, Twickenham
                Referee: Angus Gardner (RA)
                Assistant Referees: Pierre Brousset (FFR), Jordan Way (RA)
                TMO: Marius van der Westhuizen (SARU)
                FPRO: Marius Jonker (SARU)

                Ireland v New Zealand
                Venue: Aviva Stadium, Dublin
                Referee: Nic Berry (RA)
                Assistant Referees: Karl Dickson (RFU), Andrea Piardi (FIR)
                TMO: Brett Cronan (RA)
                FPRO: Ben Whitehouse (WRU)

                France v New Zealand
                Venue: Stade de France, Saint-Denis
                Referee: Nika Amashukeli (GRU)
                Assistant Referees: Matthew Carley (RFU), Andrea Piardi (FIR)
                TMO: Marius Jonker (SARU)
                FPRO: Ian Tempest (RFU)

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                  I actually think we have done pretty well with those appointments, aside from the France Test (who is a good ref anyway) all regular Super rugby refs we are used to.

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                    Japan v New Zealand
                    Venue: Nissan Stadium, Yokohama
                    Referee: Jordan Way (RA)
                    Assistant Referees: Nic Berry (RA), Reuben Keane (RA)
                    TMO: Damon Murphy (RA)
                    FPRO: Brett Cronan (RA)

                    England v New Zealand
                    Venue: Allianz Stadium, Twickenham
                    Referee: Angus Gardner (RA)
                    Assistant Referees: Pierre Brousset (FFR), Jordan Way (RA)
                    TMO: Marius van der Westhuizen (SARU)
                    FPRO: Marius Jonker (SARU)

                    Ireland v New Zealand
                    Venue: Aviva Stadium, Dublin
                    Referee: Nic Berry (RA)
                    Assistant Referees: Karl Dickson (RFU), Andrea Piardi (FIR)
                    TMO: Brett Cronan (RA)
                    FPRO: Ben Whitehouse (WRU)

                    France v New Zealand
                    Venue: Stade de France, Saint-Denis
                    Referee: Nika Amashukeli (GRU)
                    Assistant Referees: Matthew Carley (RFU), Andrea Piardi (FIR)
                    TMO: Marius Jonker (SARU)
                    FPRO: Ian Tempest (RFU)

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                    @Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks EOYT:

                    Japan v New Zealand
                    Venue: Nissan Stadium, Yokohama
                    Referee: Jordan Way (RA)
                    Assistant Referees: Nic Berry (RA), Reuben Keane (RA)
                    TMO: Damon Murphy (RA)
                    FPRO: Brett Cronan (RA)

                    England v New Zealand
                    Venue: Allianz Stadium, Twickenham
                    Referee: Angus Gardner (RA)
                    Assistant Referees: Pierre Brousset (FFR), Jordan Way (RA)
                    TMO: Marius van der Westhuizen (SARU)
                    FPRO: Marius Jonker (SARU)

                    Ireland v New Zealand
                    Venue: Aviva Stadium, Dublin
                    Referee: Nic Berry (RA)
                    Assistant Referees: Karl Dickson (RFU), Andrea Piardi (FIR)
                    TMO: Brett Cronan (RA)
                    FPRO: Ben Whitehouse (WRU)

                    France v New Zealand
                    Venue: Stade de France, Saint-Denis
                    Referee: Nika Amashukeli (GRU)
                    Assistant Referees: Matthew Carley (RFU), Andrea Piardi (FIR)
                    TMO: Marius Jonker (SARU)
                    FPRO: Ian Tempest (RFU)

                    Only wild card ref among them 4 is the wifi code appointed for the France game.

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                      We have avoided carley as main ref vs Ireland 🙂

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                      • M Mr Fish

                        @Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:

                        Have a horrible feeling (just based on how conservatve Razor has been) that Blackadder might start ahead of Sititi in big games and that TJP gets one of the halfback spots.

                        I would assume Blackadder slots straight into the 20 jersey for the big matches (but probably gets one start against one of the big three).

                        Perenara will probably be on the bench for a couple of those games simply because Roigard is still pretty short of minutes.

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                        @Mr-Fish Is Blackadder ok heard he sustained an injury?

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                          @Mr-Fish Is Blackadder ok heard he sustained an injury?

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                          @SBW1 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                          @Mr-Fish Is Blackadder ok heard he sustained an injury?

                          No never!

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                            I think some of the Razor defenders are in for a bit of a shock selection wise. I don't think Cane and TJP are going to carry tackle bags, and I don't think Sititi is their starting 6. If they can, I think they'll have 6. Blackadder 7. Cane and 8. Ardie, with TJP at 9 in their top side against the big three, for their "experience".

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                            • No QuarterN No Quarter

                              I think some of the Razor defenders are in for a bit of a shock selection wise. I don't think Cane and TJP are going to carry tackle bags, and I don't think Sititi is their starting 6. If they can, I think they'll have 6. Blackadder 7. Cane and 8. Ardie, with TJP at 9 in their top side against the big three, for their "experience".

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                              @No-Quarter said in All Blacks EOYT:

                              I think some of the Razor defenders are in for a bit of a shock selection wise. I don't think Cane and TJP are going to carry tackle bags, and I don't think Sititi is their starting 6. If they can, I think they'll have 6. Blackadder 7. Cane and 8. Ardie, with TJP at 9 in their top side against the big three, for their "experience".

                              One is broken and the other two past their best.

                              Thank goodness for all the experience though !

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                                They better not give Niggles tacklebags to carry as that sounds far too dangerous.

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                                • No QuarterN No Quarter

                                  I think some of the Razor defenders are in for a bit of a shock selection wise. I don't think Cane and TJP are going to carry tackle bags, and I don't think Sititi is their starting 6. If they can, I think they'll have 6. Blackadder 7. Cane and 8. Ardie, with TJP at 9 in their top side against the big three, for their "experience".

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                                  @No-Quarter said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                  I think some of the Razor defenders are in for a bit of a shock selection wise. I don't think Cane and TJP are going to carry tackle bags, and I don't think Sititi is their starting 6. If they can, I think they'll have 6. Blackadder 7. Cane and 8. Ardie, with TJP at 9 in their top side against the big three, for their "experience".

                                  I won't be too shocked at that. I expect there will be some rotation for the big three matches, but for England...

                                  I'll be amazed if Ardie isn't playing 8;

                                  I'll be more surprised if Sam Cane isn't playing 7;

                                  I think it will be Sititi and Ratima at 6 and 9, but Blackadder and Perenara on the bench wouldn't surprise me in the least - especially if Roigard is a bit sketchy vs Japan.

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                                    @No-Quarter said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                    I think some of the Razor defenders are in for a bit of a shock selection wise. I don't think Cane and TJP are going to carry tackle bags, and I don't think Sititi is their starting 6. If they can, I think they'll have 6. Blackadder 7. Cane and 8. Ardie, with TJP at 9 in their top side against the big three, for their "experience".

                                    I won't be too shocked at that. I expect there will be some rotation for the big three matches, but for England...

                                    I'll be amazed if Ardie isn't playing 8;

                                    I'll be more surprised if Sam Cane isn't playing 7;

                                    I think it will be Sititi and Ratima at 6 and 9, but Blackadder and Perenara on the bench wouldn't surprise me in the least - especially if Roigard is a bit sketchy vs Japan.

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                                    @Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                    @No-Quarter said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                    I think some of the Razor defenders are in for a bit of a shock selection wise. I don't think Cane and TJP are going to carry tackle bags, and I don't think Sititi is their starting 6. If they can, I think they'll have 6. Blackadder 7. Cane and 8. Ardie, with TJP at 9 in their top side against the big three, for their "experience".

                                    I won't be too shocked at that. I expect there will be some rotation for the big three matches, but for England...

                                    I'll be amazed if Ardie isn't playing 8;

                                    I'll be more surprised if Sam Cane isn't playing 7;

                                    I think it will be Sititi and Ratima at 6 and 9, but Blackadder and Perenara on the bench wouldn't surprise me in the least - especially if Roigard is a bit sketchy vs Japan.

                                    He’s pretty much the next All Black legend of his era according to the fern so this is doubtful in the extreme.

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                                    • No QuarterN No Quarter

                                      I think some of the Razor defenders are in for a bit of a shock selection wise. I don't think Cane and TJP are going to carry tackle bags, and I don't think Sititi is their starting 6. If they can, I think they'll have 6. Blackadder 7. Cane and 8. Ardie, with TJP at 9 in their top side against the big three, for their "experience".

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                                      @No-Quarter said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                      I think some of the Razor defenders are in for a bit of a shock selection wise. I don't think Cane and TJP are going to carry tackle bags, and I don't think Sititi is their starting 6. If they can, I think they'll have 6. Blackadder 7. Cane and 8. Ardie, with TJP at 9 in their top side against the big three, for their "experience".

                                      Cane will absolutely start against England, Ireland and France.

                                      Perenara will probably be on the bench for most of those games, as will Blackadder (and he'll very likely get a start in one of them).

                                      But Sititi, Cane, Savea, Ratima, McKenzie is the spine of the top team now.

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                                        @No-Quarter said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                        I think some of the Razor defenders are in for a bit of a shock selection wise. I don't think Cane and TJP are going to carry tackle bags, and I don't think Sititi is their starting 6. If they can, I think they'll have 6. Blackadder 7. Cane and 8. Ardie, with TJP at 9 in their top side against the big three, for their "experience".

                                        Cane will absolutely start against England, Ireland and France.

                                        Perenara will probably be on the bench for most of those games, as will Blackadder (and he'll very likely get a start in one of them).

                                        But Sititi, Cane, Savea, Ratima, McKenzie is the spine of the top team now.

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                                        @Mr-Fish

                                        That's not what spine usually means in rugby.

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                                          @Mr-Fish

                                          That's not what spine usually means in rugby.

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                                          @brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                          @Mr-Fish

                                          That's not what spine usually means in rugby.

                                          I chucked in a few extra loosies because six is the one being debated and then couldn't be arsed using a better word.

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