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    @brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:

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    He gets to rucks that Blackadder and Cane don't. He's actually better suited to the wider game plan for that reason.

    If you watch 34 year old McCaw in the 2015 RWC he's got a lot more speed about him than 30 year old Sam Cane did.

    Personally I think Blackadder has acceptable speed for a loosie. You don't see him getting skinned in the defensive line like Cane and he can hit onto the ball hard. One video of him running slowly seems to carry a lot of weight. I'd like to see some good ruck stats on our loosies.
    McCaw was reasonably quick when young, quite a bit less so by the end of his career, but he had a truly great ability to read the play and be in the right place.

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    @reprobate said in All Blacks EOYT:

    @brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:

    @reprobate

    He gets to rucks that Blackadder and Cane don't. He's actually better suited to the wider game plan for that reason.

    If you watch 34 year old McCaw in the 2015 RWC he's got a lot more speed about him than 30 year old Sam Cane did.

    Personally I think Blackadder has acceptable speed for a loosie. You don't see him getting skinned in the defensive line like Cane and he can hit onto the ball hard. One video of him running slowly seems to carry a lot of weight. I'd like to see some good ruck stats on our loosies.
    McCaw was reasonably quick when young, quite a bit less so by the end of his career, but he had a truly great ability to read the play and be in the right place.

    Being busy and ineffective is tiring

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    • FrankF Frank

      Have a horrible feeling (just based on how conservatve Razor has been) that Blackadder might start ahead of Sititi in big games and that TJP gets one of the halfback spots.

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      @Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:

      Have a horrible feeling (just based on how conservatve Razor has been) that Blackadder might start ahead of Sititi in big games and that TJP gets one of the halfback spots.

      I would assume Blackadder slots straight into the 20 jersey for the big matches (but probably gets one start against one of the big three).

      Perenara will probably be on the bench for a couple of those games simply because Roigard is still pretty short of minutes.

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        Japan v New Zealand
        Venue: Nissan Stadium, Yokohama
        Referee: Jordan Way (RA)
        Assistant Referees: Nic Berry (RA), Reuben Keane (RA)
        TMO: Damon Murphy (RA)
        FPRO: Brett Cronan (RA)

        England v New Zealand
        Venue: Allianz Stadium, Twickenham
        Referee: Angus Gardner (RA)
        Assistant Referees: Pierre Brousset (FFR), Jordan Way (RA)
        TMO: Marius van der Westhuizen (SARU)
        FPRO: Marius Jonker (SARU)

        Ireland v New Zealand
        Venue: Aviva Stadium, Dublin
        Referee: Nic Berry (RA)
        Assistant Referees: Karl Dickson (RFU), Andrea Piardi (FIR)
        TMO: Brett Cronan (RA)
        FPRO: Ben Whitehouse (WRU)

        France v New Zealand
        Venue: Stade de France, Saint-Denis
        Referee: Nika Amashukeli (GRU)
        Assistant Referees: Matthew Carley (RFU), Andrea Piardi (FIR)
        TMO: Marius Jonker (SARU)
        FPRO: Ian Tempest (RFU)

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          I actually think we have done pretty well with those appointments, aside from the France Test (who is a good ref anyway) all regular Super rugby refs we are used to.

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            Japan v New Zealand
            Venue: Nissan Stadium, Yokohama
            Referee: Jordan Way (RA)
            Assistant Referees: Nic Berry (RA), Reuben Keane (RA)
            TMO: Damon Murphy (RA)
            FPRO: Brett Cronan (RA)

            England v New Zealand
            Venue: Allianz Stadium, Twickenham
            Referee: Angus Gardner (RA)
            Assistant Referees: Pierre Brousset (FFR), Jordan Way (RA)
            TMO: Marius van der Westhuizen (SARU)
            FPRO: Marius Jonker (SARU)

            Ireland v New Zealand
            Venue: Aviva Stadium, Dublin
            Referee: Nic Berry (RA)
            Assistant Referees: Karl Dickson (RFU), Andrea Piardi (FIR)
            TMO: Brett Cronan (RA)
            FPRO: Ben Whitehouse (WRU)

            France v New Zealand
            Venue: Stade de France, Saint-Denis
            Referee: Nika Amashukeli (GRU)
            Assistant Referees: Matthew Carley (RFU), Andrea Piardi (FIR)
            TMO: Marius Jonker (SARU)
            FPRO: Ian Tempest (RFU)

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            @Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks EOYT:

            Japan v New Zealand
            Venue: Nissan Stadium, Yokohama
            Referee: Jordan Way (RA)
            Assistant Referees: Nic Berry (RA), Reuben Keane (RA)
            TMO: Damon Murphy (RA)
            FPRO: Brett Cronan (RA)

            England v New Zealand
            Venue: Allianz Stadium, Twickenham
            Referee: Angus Gardner (RA)
            Assistant Referees: Pierre Brousset (FFR), Jordan Way (RA)
            TMO: Marius van der Westhuizen (SARU)
            FPRO: Marius Jonker (SARU)

            Ireland v New Zealand
            Venue: Aviva Stadium, Dublin
            Referee: Nic Berry (RA)
            Assistant Referees: Karl Dickson (RFU), Andrea Piardi (FIR)
            TMO: Brett Cronan (RA)
            FPRO: Ben Whitehouse (WRU)

            France v New Zealand
            Venue: Stade de France, Saint-Denis
            Referee: Nika Amashukeli (GRU)
            Assistant Referees: Matthew Carley (RFU), Andrea Piardi (FIR)
            TMO: Marius Jonker (SARU)
            FPRO: Ian Tempest (RFU)

            Only wild card ref among them 4 is the wifi code appointed for the France game.

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              We have avoided carley as main ref vs Ireland 🙂

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              • M Mr Fish

                @Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:

                Have a horrible feeling (just based on how conservatve Razor has been) that Blackadder might start ahead of Sititi in big games and that TJP gets one of the halfback spots.

                I would assume Blackadder slots straight into the 20 jersey for the big matches (but probably gets one start against one of the big three).

                Perenara will probably be on the bench for a couple of those games simply because Roigard is still pretty short of minutes.

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                @Mr-Fish Is Blackadder ok heard he sustained an injury?

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                  @Mr-Fish Is Blackadder ok heard he sustained an injury?

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                  @SBW1 said in All Blacks EOYT:

                  @Mr-Fish Is Blackadder ok heard he sustained an injury?

                  No never!

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                    I think some of the Razor defenders are in for a bit of a shock selection wise. I don't think Cane and TJP are going to carry tackle bags, and I don't think Sititi is their starting 6. If they can, I think they'll have 6. Blackadder 7. Cane and 8. Ardie, with TJP at 9 in their top side against the big three, for their "experience".

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                    • No QuarterN No Quarter

                      I think some of the Razor defenders are in for a bit of a shock selection wise. I don't think Cane and TJP are going to carry tackle bags, and I don't think Sititi is their starting 6. If they can, I think they'll have 6. Blackadder 7. Cane and 8. Ardie, with TJP at 9 in their top side against the big three, for their "experience".

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                      @No-Quarter said in All Blacks EOYT:

                      I think some of the Razor defenders are in for a bit of a shock selection wise. I don't think Cane and TJP are going to carry tackle bags, and I don't think Sititi is their starting 6. If they can, I think they'll have 6. Blackadder 7. Cane and 8. Ardie, with TJP at 9 in their top side against the big three, for their "experience".

                      One is broken and the other two past their best.

                      Thank goodness for all the experience though !

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                        They better not give Niggles tacklebags to carry as that sounds far too dangerous.

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                        • No QuarterN No Quarter

                          I think some of the Razor defenders are in for a bit of a shock selection wise. I don't think Cane and TJP are going to carry tackle bags, and I don't think Sititi is their starting 6. If they can, I think they'll have 6. Blackadder 7. Cane and 8. Ardie, with TJP at 9 in their top side against the big three, for their "experience".

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                          @No-Quarter said in All Blacks EOYT:

                          I think some of the Razor defenders are in for a bit of a shock selection wise. I don't think Cane and TJP are going to carry tackle bags, and I don't think Sititi is their starting 6. If they can, I think they'll have 6. Blackadder 7. Cane and 8. Ardie, with TJP at 9 in their top side against the big three, for their "experience".

                          I won't be too shocked at that. I expect there will be some rotation for the big three matches, but for England...

                          I'll be amazed if Ardie isn't playing 8;

                          I'll be more surprised if Sam Cane isn't playing 7;

                          I think it will be Sititi and Ratima at 6 and 9, but Blackadder and Perenara on the bench wouldn't surprise me in the least - especially if Roigard is a bit sketchy vs Japan.

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                          • Chris B.C Chris B.

                            @No-Quarter said in All Blacks EOYT:

                            I think some of the Razor defenders are in for a bit of a shock selection wise. I don't think Cane and TJP are going to carry tackle bags, and I don't think Sititi is their starting 6. If they can, I think they'll have 6. Blackadder 7. Cane and 8. Ardie, with TJP at 9 in their top side against the big three, for their "experience".

                            I won't be too shocked at that. I expect there will be some rotation for the big three matches, but for England...

                            I'll be amazed if Ardie isn't playing 8;

                            I'll be more surprised if Sam Cane isn't playing 7;

                            I think it will be Sititi and Ratima at 6 and 9, but Blackadder and Perenara on the bench wouldn't surprise me in the least - especially if Roigard is a bit sketchy vs Japan.

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                            @Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:

                            @No-Quarter said in All Blacks EOYT:

                            I think some of the Razor defenders are in for a bit of a shock selection wise. I don't think Cane and TJP are going to carry tackle bags, and I don't think Sititi is their starting 6. If they can, I think they'll have 6. Blackadder 7. Cane and 8. Ardie, with TJP at 9 in their top side against the big three, for their "experience".

                            I won't be too shocked at that. I expect there will be some rotation for the big three matches, but for England...

                            I'll be amazed if Ardie isn't playing 8;

                            I'll be more surprised if Sam Cane isn't playing 7;

                            I think it will be Sititi and Ratima at 6 and 9, but Blackadder and Perenara on the bench wouldn't surprise me in the least - especially if Roigard is a bit sketchy vs Japan.

                            He’s pretty much the next All Black legend of his era according to the fern so this is doubtful in the extreme.

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                            • No QuarterN No Quarter

                              I think some of the Razor defenders are in for a bit of a shock selection wise. I don't think Cane and TJP are going to carry tackle bags, and I don't think Sititi is their starting 6. If they can, I think they'll have 6. Blackadder 7. Cane and 8. Ardie, with TJP at 9 in their top side against the big three, for their "experience".

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                              @No-Quarter said in All Blacks EOYT:

                              I think some of the Razor defenders are in for a bit of a shock selection wise. I don't think Cane and TJP are going to carry tackle bags, and I don't think Sititi is their starting 6. If they can, I think they'll have 6. Blackadder 7. Cane and 8. Ardie, with TJP at 9 in their top side against the big three, for their "experience".

                              Cane will absolutely start against England, Ireland and France.

                              Perenara will probably be on the bench for most of those games, as will Blackadder (and he'll very likely get a start in one of them).

                              But Sititi, Cane, Savea, Ratima, McKenzie is the spine of the top team now.

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                              • M Mr Fish

                                @No-Quarter said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                I think some of the Razor defenders are in for a bit of a shock selection wise. I don't think Cane and TJP are going to carry tackle bags, and I don't think Sititi is their starting 6. If they can, I think they'll have 6. Blackadder 7. Cane and 8. Ardie, with TJP at 9 in their top side against the big three, for their "experience".

                                Cane will absolutely start against England, Ireland and France.

                                Perenara will probably be on the bench for most of those games, as will Blackadder (and he'll very likely get a start in one of them).

                                But Sititi, Cane, Savea, Ratima, McKenzie is the spine of the top team now.

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                                @Mr-Fish

                                That's not what spine usually means in rugby.

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                                  @Mr-Fish

                                  That's not what spine usually means in rugby.

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                                  @brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                  @Mr-Fish

                                  That's not what spine usually means in rugby.

                                  I chucked in a few extra loosies because six is the one being debated and then couldn't be arsed using a better word.

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                                    @No-Quarter said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                    I think some of the Razor defenders are in for a bit of a shock selection wise. I don't think Cane and TJP are going to carry tackle bags, and I don't think Sititi is their starting 6. If they can, I think they'll have 6. Blackadder 7. Cane and 8. Ardie, with TJP at 9 in their top side against the big three, for their "experience".

                                    Cane will absolutely start against England, Ireland and France.

                                    Perenara will probably be on the bench for most of those games, as will Blackadder (and he'll very likely get a start in one of them).

                                    But Sititi, Cane, Savea, Ratima, McKenzie is the spine of the top team now.

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                                    @Mr-Fish said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                    But Sititi, Cane, Savea, Ratima, McKenzie is the spine of the top team now.

                                    Certainly what I'd expect vs England- but, I'm only an interested spectator.

                                    I don't really get why people think the coaches are out to scupper us.

                                    They haven't picked the exact teams I would have, but I haven't really struggled to see their logic - with maybe a couple of exceptions. But, I'm prepared to put that down to me not being a pro coach!

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                                    • Chris B.C Chris B.

                                      @Mr-Fish said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                      But Sititi, Cane, Savea, Ratima, McKenzie is the spine of the top team now.

                                      Certainly what I'd expect vs England- but, I'm only an interested spectator.

                                      I don't really get why people think the coaches are out to scupper us.

                                      They haven't picked the exact teams I would have, but I haven't really struggled to see their logic - with maybe a couple of exceptions. But, I'm prepared to put that down to me not being a pro coach!

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                                      @Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                      They haven't picked the exact teams I would have, but I haven't really struggled to see their logic - with maybe a couple of exceptions. But, I'm prepared to put that down to me not being a pro coach!

                                      Remember when Foster picked ScoBa at 6 vs England in the QF in 19 and benched Sam? And then didn't attack the english lineout? Yeah, I remember that 🙂 3D chess, or coaches just playing hunches and going wrong.

                                      Edit: Hansen and semi. As you were.

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                                      • nzzpN nzzp

                                        @Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                        They haven't picked the exact teams I would have, but I haven't really struggled to see their logic - with maybe a couple of exceptions. But, I'm prepared to put that down to me not being a pro coach!

                                        Remember when Foster picked ScoBa at 6 vs England in the QF in 19 and benched Sam? And then didn't attack the english lineout? Yeah, I remember that 🙂 3D chess, or coaches just playing hunches and going wrong.

                                        Edit: Hansen and semi. As you were.

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                                        @nzzp said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                        @Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                        They haven't picked the exact teams I would have, but I haven't really struggled to see their logic - with maybe a couple of exceptions. But, I'm prepared to put that down to me not being a pro coach!

                                        Remember when Foster picked ScoBa at 6 vs England in the QF in 19 and benched Sam? And then didn't attack the english lineout? Yeah, I remember that 🙂 3D chess, or coaches just playing hunches and going wrong.

                                        I thought that was Hansen.

                                        Still makes me bloody angry.

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                                          Semi Final, we have been bundled out in a Quarter Final in 07 by France.

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