All Blacks EOYT
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@Billy-Tell neither, BUT, I've also not been in the position to have to actually make that decision if someone was waving a big old cheque in front of me to do so.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Billy-Tell neither, BUT, I've also not been in the position to have to actually make that decision if someone was waving a big old cheque in front of me to do so.
Yeah haha it's a bit different when in that situation and the fact that he is English.
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I wouldn't hold it against Sototu if he did defect to the enemy, but it sits uneasy with me that a player can switch allegiances like that. I lnow it's the rules as they stand now, but I think an English parent is stretching things a bit given he has already played for NZ.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
an English parent is stretching things a bit given he has already played for NZ.
That seems pretty bizarre to me. What wouldn't be stretching it then? Some families have very strong ties to their ancestry that isn't even close to a one generation link.
Just ask my uncle Maxwell.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
an English parent is stretching things a bit given he has already played for NZ.
That seems pretty bizarre to me. What wouldn't be stretching it then? Some families have very strong ties to their ancestry that isn't even close to a one generation link.
Just ask my uncle Maxwell.
@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
an English parent is stretching things a bit given he has already played for NZ.
That seems pretty bizarre to me. What wouldn't be stretching it then? Some families have very strong ties to their ancestry that isn't even close to a one generation link.
Just ask my uncle Maxwell.
Born and raised in England perhaps? We are talking about a switch in allegiance here. If he had not already played for NZ then , yeah, go for it.
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@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
an English parent is stretching things a bit given he has already played for NZ.
That seems pretty bizarre to me. What wouldn't be stretching it then? Some families have very strong ties to their ancestry that isn't even close to a one generation link.
Just ask my uncle Maxwell.
Born and raised in England perhaps? We are talking about a switch in allegiance here. If he had not already played for NZ then , yeah, go for it.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
an English parent is stretching things a bit given he has already played for NZ.
That seems pretty bizarre to me. What wouldn't be stretching it then? Some families have very strong ties to their ancestry that isn't even close to a one generation link.
Just ask my uncle Maxwell.
Born and raised in England perhaps? We are talking about a switch in allegiance here. If he had not already played for NZ then , yeah, go for it.
I dunno about you but I'm pretty close to my parents and would love to do something that might represent either one of them and make them proud. Fuck I would've even considered playing for Otago and moving to Tairei.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
an English parent is stretching things a bit given he has already played for NZ.
That seems pretty bizarre to me. What wouldn't be stretching it then? Some families have very strong ties to their ancestry that isn't even close to a one generation link.
Just ask my uncle Maxwell.
Born and raised in England perhaps? We are talking about a switch in allegiance here. If he had not already played for NZ then , yeah, go for it.
I dunno about you but I'm pretty close to my parents and would love to do something that might represent either one of them and make them proud. Fuck I would've even considered playing for Otago and moving to Tairei.
@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
an English parent is stretching things a bit given he has already played for NZ.
That seems pretty bizarre to me. What wouldn't be stretching it then? Some families have very strong ties to their ancestry that isn't even close to a one generation link.
Just ask my uncle Maxwell.
Born and raised in England perhaps? We are talking about a switch in allegiance here. If he had not already played for NZ then , yeah, go for it.
I dunno about you but I'm pretty close to my parents and would love to do something that might represent either one of them and make them proud. Fuck I would've even considered playing for Otago and moving to Tairei.
It's all hypothetical of course because it hasn't happened yet, but it's allowed so good on him. I just think a parent is a loose tie, given he has already represented the country of his birth and I am guessing he would have continued to do so if selected the past few years.
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@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
an English parent is stretching things a bit given he has already played for NZ.
That seems pretty bizarre to me. What wouldn't be stretching it then? Some families have very strong ties to their ancestry that isn't even close to a one generation link.
Just ask my uncle Maxwell.
Born and raised in England perhaps? We are talking about a switch in allegiance here. If he had not already played for NZ then , yeah, go for it.
I dunno about you but I'm pretty close to my parents and would love to do something that might represent either one of them and make them proud. Fuck I would've even considered playing for Otago and moving to Tairei.
It's all hypothetical of course because it hasn't happened yet, but it's allowed so good on him. I just think a parent is a loose tie, given he has already represented the country of his birth and I am guessing he would have continued to do so if selected the past few years.
@Crazy-Horse like I said, a parent wouldn't be a loose tie for me, I'm pretty sure millions of others would share that view.
Samoa, Tonga, etc would drop well down the rugby rankings if that wasn't the case too.
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@Crazy-Horse like I said, a parent wouldn't be a loose tie for me, I'm pretty sure millions of others would share that view.
Samoa, Tonga, etc would drop well down the rugby rankings if that wasn't the case too.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Billy-Tell was it you that didn't watch super rugby?
As already said I did t watch much super this year. I’m not hiding the fact. The guy is not a « generational talent ». I’ve watched plenty of sotutu in previous years super and for the ABs. It’s getting utterly boring and tedious his fan club. He’s not a superstar in the making even if he was unlucky to miss out on the ABs.
@Billy-Tell I wasn't having a go bro, just checking. What he did in this Super season is worlds apart from what he's done previously, and stands up pretty well to any player's individual contribution to a season I would think.
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Yeah, strange attitude, kids with multiple passports can have very strong attachments to both / multiple countries.
My boy considers himself equally a kiwi and japanese.
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@Crazy-Horse like I said, a parent wouldn't be a loose tie for me, I'm pretty sure millions of others would share that view.
Samoa, Tonga, etc would drop well down the rugby rankings if that wasn't the case too.
@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse like I said, a parent wouldn't be a loose tie for me, I'm pretty sure millions of others would share that view.
Samoa, Tonga, etc would drop well down the rugby rankings if that wasn't the case too.
Agree. But he already made his bed with NZ. That is my contention.
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@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse like I said, a parent wouldn't be a loose tie for me, I'm pretty sure millions of others would share that view.
Samoa, Tonga, etc would drop well down the rugby rankings if that wasn't the case too.
Agree. But he already made his bed with NZ. That is my contention.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse like I said, a parent wouldn't be a loose tie for me, I'm pretty sure millions of others would share that view.
Samoa, Tonga, etc would drop well down the rugby rankings if that wasn't the case too.
Agree. But he already made his bed with NZ. That is my contention.
Rugby wanted the Olympics funding ,,, so they sacrificed their eligibility rules. That's not on Sotutu. It allows capped players to play for origin countries - like Tonga. On balance, I don't think it's a terrible situation
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse like I said, a parent wouldn't be a loose tie for me, I'm pretty sure millions of others would share that view.
Samoa, Tonga, etc would drop well down the rugby rankings if that wasn't the case too.
Agree. But he already made his bed with NZ. That is my contention.
Rugby wanted the Olympics funding ,,, so they sacrificed their eligibility rules. That's not on Sotutu. It allows capped players to play for origin countries - like Tonga. On balance, I don't think it's a terrible situation
@nzzp said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse like I said, a parent wouldn't be a loose tie for me, I'm pretty sure millions of others would share that view.
Samoa, Tonga, etc would drop well down the rugby rankings if that wasn't the case too.
Agree. But he already made his bed with NZ. That is my contention.
Rugby wanted the Olympics funding ,,, so they sacrificed their eligibility rules. That's not on Sotutu. It allows capped players to play for origin countries - like Tonga. On balance, I don't think it's a terrible situation
Yeah I wouldn't blame him if it was to come about. I would probably think long and hard about doing the same if I was in his position.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse like I said, a parent wouldn't be a loose tie for me, I'm pretty sure millions of others would share that view.
Samoa, Tonga, etc would drop well down the rugby rankings if that wasn't the case too.
Agree. But he already made his bed with NZ. That is my contention.
Rugby wanted the Olympics funding ,,, so they sacrificed their eligibility rules. That's not on Sotutu. It allows capped players to play for origin countries - like Tonga. On balance, I don't think it's a terrible situation
Yeah I wouldn't blame him if it was to come about. I would probably think long and hard about doing the same if I was in his position.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nzzp said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse like I said, a parent wouldn't be a loose tie for me, I'm pretty sure millions of others would share that view.
Samoa, Tonga, etc would drop well down the rugby rankings if that wasn't the case too.
Agree. But he already made his bed with NZ. That is my contention.
Rugby wanted the Olympics funding ,,, so they sacrificed their eligibility rules. That's not on Sotutu. It allows capped players to play for origin countries - like Tonga. On balance, I don't think it's a terrible situation
Yeah I wouldn't blame him if it was to come about. I would probably think long and hard about doing the same if I was in his position.
I suspect he did. Giving up your AB opportunity is something you would do very deliberately.
As a Blues fan, I'm gutted. We've lost two of the three dominant loosies in our trio, and I suspect our form hooker follows them.
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@Billy-Tell I wasn't having a go bro, just checking. What he did in this Super season is worlds apart from what he's done previously, and stands up pretty well to any player's individual contribution to a season I would think.
@reprobate said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Billy-Tell I wasn't having a go bro, just checking. What he did in this Super season is worlds apart from what he's done previously, and stands up pretty well to any player's individual contribution to a season I would think.
Agreed.
The Blues scored 87 tries this season. The most in the comp. Sotutu scored 12 tries ( a record for forwards ) and had 9 try assists which means he was directly involved in basically a quarter of the Blues tries for the entire season.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
an English parent is stretching things a bit given he has already played for NZ.
That seems pretty bizarre to me. What wouldn't be stretching it then? Some families have very strong ties to their ancestry that isn't even close to a one generation link.
Just ask my uncle Maxwell.
Born and raised in England perhaps? We are talking about a switch in allegiance here. If he had not already played for NZ then , yeah, go for it.
I dunno about you but I'm pretty close to my parents and would love to do something that might represent either one of them and make them proud. Fuck I would've even considered playing for Otago and moving to Tairei.
@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
an English parent is stretching things a bit given he has already played for NZ.
That seems pretty bizarre to me. What wouldn't be stretching it then? Some families have very strong ties to their ancestry that isn't even close to a one generation link.
Just ask my uncle Maxwell.
Born and raised in England perhaps? We are talking about a switch in allegiance here. If he had not already played for NZ then , yeah, go for it.
I dunno about you but I'm pretty close to my parents and would love to do something that might represent either one of them and make them proud. Fuck I would've even considered playing for Otago and moving to Tairei.
my adult son was born in Australia , supports the allblacks because he grew up with me and i guess my passion rubbed off on him .
Hoskins has an English mum and a fijian dad , good chance he has mixed allegiances
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@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
an English parent is stretching things a bit given he has already played for NZ.
That seems pretty bizarre to me. What wouldn't be stretching it then? Some families have very strong ties to their ancestry that isn't even close to a one generation link.
Just ask my uncle Maxwell.
Born and raised in England perhaps? We are talking about a switch in allegiance here. If he had not already played for NZ then , yeah, go for it.
I dunno about you but I'm pretty close to my parents and would love to do something that might represent either one of them and make them proud. Fuck I would've even considered playing for Otago and moving to Tairei.
my adult son was born in Australia , supports the allblacks because he grew up with me and i guess my passion rubbed off on him .
Hoskins has an English mum and a fijian dad , good chance he has mixed allegiances
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
an English parent is stretching things a bit given he has already played for NZ.
That seems pretty bizarre to me. What wouldn't be stretching it then? Some families have very strong ties to their ancestry that isn't even close to a one generation link.
Just ask my uncle Maxwell.
Born and raised in England perhaps? We are talking about a switch in allegiance here. If he had not already played for NZ then , yeah, go for it.
I dunno about you but I'm pretty close to my parents and would love to do something that might represent either one of them and make them proud. Fuck I would've even considered playing for Otago and moving to Tairei.
my adult son was born in Australia , supports the allblacks because he grew up with me and i guess my passion rubbed off on him .
Hoskins has an English mum and a fijian dad , good chance he has mixed allegiances
Did Hos support England in rugby? Did he dream of playing for England? I don't know. I bet your son dreams of being an AB.
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It's a funny thing to contemplate. I don't have parents from disparate countries and without the reasonable prospect of ever playing for the All Blacks I can't as a Kiwi comprehend playing Test rugby for another country. Not that I'm aware of any chance that option would have materialised outside of (checks rankings) Greece, Monaco or Norway.
But I have represented Australia both through Defence and Parly without a second thought.
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As someone mentioned above, the life of a pro rugby is/can be very short. And playing international rugby greatly increases your earning potential.
I've never had to make the decision, but I wouldn't hold it against anyone who makes the move, for ancestry or financial reasons.
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