All Blacks 2024
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
Sititi- Ratima- Roigard.
Roigard the next GOAT 10.
Has he ever played 10?
@Frank said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
Sititi- Ratima- Roigard.
Roigard the next GOAT 10.
Has he ever played 10?
Cameron Roigard needs to actually play again and quicksmart cos the Charlie Ngatiness of some of the posting about him is getting ridiculous
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
Did anyone else watch the full interview with Ryan on the Aotearoa pod? Some good stuff there but also a very worrying acceptance and explaining away of test losses. I find it amazing that it has been brought up - they talk about the ABs against the Boks as if we are a development team, just accepting the two losses as ‘we had an opportunity to win both games’.
I’m very concerned about the fact that they are relying on Cane to set standards. What are the coaches and management team doing?
I agree it's concerning and I also think Cane is the wrong guy to set standards. He's been very inconsistent during the 20s
He's the link from the standards set by Mealamu, GOAT, etc. The new kids have no idea until guys from the back of the bus set the expectation.
How did it work out for us in terms of RC results?
At least half the team played with Aaron Smith, Dane Coles, Sam Whitelock and Brodie Retallick for years all of who had more time with Mealamu and the GOATs etc.
Those players are no longer there. Take out TJ and Sam and the median number of caps in the squad is 28. Few players there are leaders and long term members. I think it's eminently sensible to have a halfback with his experience guide two blokes who are wet behind the ears. The only other loose forward with any real time up is Ardie Savea.
Were all those players who played with them too dumb to pick up anything when they played with Whitelock etc so we still need Cane hanging around for standards? The first guy to get a red in an RWC final and a guy in recent games who's been missing more critical tackles than Sotutu ever has?
Neither TJ nor Sam have to be in the 23, but setting the tone during the week would be invaluable for what is an inexperienced squad.
And IDGAF that Sam was given a red card in the final - that's on Barnes and his bullshit inconsistent refereeing.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
Did anyone else watch the full interview with Ryan on the Aotearoa pod? Some good stuff there but also a very worrying acceptance and explaining away of test losses. I find it amazing that it has been brought up - they talk about the ABs against the Boks as if we are a development team, just accepting the two losses as ‘we had an opportunity to win both games’.
I’m very concerned about the fact that they are relying on Cane to set standards. What are the coaches and management team doing?
I agree it's concerning and I also think Cane is the wrong guy to set standards. He's been very inconsistent during the 20s
He's the link from the standards set by Mealamu, GOAT, etc. The new kids have no idea until guys from the back of the bus set the expectation.
How did it work out for us in terms of RC results?
At least half the team played with Aaron Smith, Dane Coles, Sam Whitelock and Brodie Retallick for years all of who had more time with Mealamu and the GOATs etc.
Those players are no longer there. Take out TJ and Sam and the median number of caps in the squad is 28. Few players there are leaders and long term members. I think it's eminently sensible to have a halfback with his experience guide two blokes who are wet behind the ears. The only other loose forward with any real time up is Ardie Savea.
Were all those players who played with them too dumb to pick up anything when they played with Whitelock etc so we still need Cane hanging around for standards? The first guy to get a red in an RWC final and a guy in recent games who's been missing more critical tackles than Sotutu ever has?
Neither TJ nor Sam have to be in the 23, but setting the tone during the week would be invaluable for what is an inexperienced squad.
And IDGAF that Sam was given a red card in the final - that's on Barnes and his bullshit inconsistent refereeing.
Except that TJ is a brainless idiot who should have no business teaching our young and promising halfbacks anything.
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I’m just sat back, drinking my coffee and eagerly anticipating a future when Cory Jane is the ABs head coach
@game_film said in All Blacks 2024:
I’m just sat back, drinking my coffee and eagerly anticipating a future when Cory Jane is the ABs head coach
https://giphy.com/gifs/huh-ice-cube-deadpan-xTiTnIilwuFFFpf2Cc
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Maybe you didn't get the memo but AB XV games are not tests
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
Maybe you didn't get the memo but AB XV games are not tests
You think players only learn something if their fixture is afforded the imprimatur of Test? So the relative standard means nothing?
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:
That's why I think it's crazy not to have Hoskins in the squad too - he can do things that other guys can't - we shouldn't turn our backs on that sort of potential in exchange for carrying extra battlers
Exactly this. Meanwhile we've struggled to score points from the bench nearly all season
I wonder whether there is a moneyball issue here - by focusing on those skills that transfer consistently you can get stronger average results across a wide sample.
The Oakland As never won a championship and I don't even know if they won the AL under a moneyball system.
To transfer it across, focusing on speed off the ground (i.e., this rumor that Sotutu is a log) might be really useful for a Super team across a season with respect to getting your loosies involved, but when you talk about key moments in a test match, those moneyball stats become far less important as the actual highest capability of players / teams becomes more important. One key touch can make the difference in an environment where averaging one more second on the ground (comparatively) may become less of an issue.
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The min gaps at the Roosters is in the centres with Joey Manu and Suiali'i moving on, while they still have Tupou and Marky Mark on the books.
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Sydney Roosters have a current AB in there sights , my pick is Stephenson but think it's the next step up., they sound confident of getting his signature, and it's not Caleb.
@george33 Have a feeling this one is Quinn Tupaea. would make sense too considering he has slipped down the pecking order with the AB's.
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@george33 Have a feeling this one is Quinn Tupaea. would make sense too considering he has slipped down the pecking order with the AB's.
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So you think its Stevenson but not Stevenson?
And if it’s a step up and from Auckland then Rieko or Telea would be the locals, I assume?
I like it when you introduce rumors but can you be a bit clearer?
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@george33 Stevenson doesn’t make any sense for the Roosters. He won’t play centre and they already have Tupou and Young on the wings.
If it is an AB, it would most likely have to be a centre. Narawa has a NZ contract till 26. Tupaea is off contract 25 and so is Telea. Telea is 28 later this year so don’t think he would be a NRL convert either.
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@george33 said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 I just don't no , but must be Stephenson
Isn't the knock on Stephenson his defence?
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@george33 said in All Blacks 2024:
@gt12 I just don't no , but must be Stephenson
Isn't the knock on Stephenson his defence?
Was the knock on Marky Mark too and Roosters happily signed him....
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@george33 Stevenson doesn’t make any sense for the Roosters. He won’t play centre and they already have Tupou and Young on the wings.
If it is an AB, it would most likely have to be a centre. Narawa has a NZ contract till 26. Tupaea is off contract 25 and so is Telea. Telea is 28 later this year so don’t think he would be a NRL convert either.
@junior12 said in All Blacks 2024:
and they already have Tupou
Tupou is finishing 2026, but is already 33, I doubt he plays 1st grade as a winger until then suspect Marky Mark is back up here, but unknown at this stage
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Oh good, Wayne Smith is still living in the past. The article is paywalled, but
Sir Wayne Smith has outlined his vision for New Zealand rugby, that centres on embracing the grassroots game, harnessing coaching innovation and the All Blacks prioritising attacking intent to regain the mantle atop the world.
So 2015 all over again, which has worked so well 2017+
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Oh good, Wayne Smith is still living in the past. The article is paywalled, but
Sir Wayne Smith has outlined his vision for New Zealand rugby, that centres on embracing the grassroots game, harnessing coaching innovation and the All Blacks prioritising attacking intent to regain the mantle atop the world.
So 2015 all over again, which has worked so well 2017+
@Machpants upvote only for "jumping the shark"
