All Blacks EOYT
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Japan:
Yeah - but, there's only a handful.
Cane and Perenara have already announced that they're gone - and there's only a handful of others who are possibly too old to go to the next world cup. Taylor, Tuúngafasi, Tuipolotu, Beauden, Havili, Reece and Telea.
That's about 10 players though. And I'm not convinced Havili is the man for the future...
I don't want to lose matches to develop newbies this year.
At the moment we're losing matches and missing opportunities to develop newbies.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Japan:
And I'm not convinced Havili is the man for the future...
I don't expect Dave to make the next RWC either.
But for now, the third best second five that's not him hasn't yet stamped his mark, so in the meantime I'm happy enough to have him there.
They're going to pick Jordie, Reiko and ALB for the next three tests, barring injury - and Dave and Proctor seem like the next best cover to me.
We can play another round of Super mrugby and see who stamps themselves in.
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"the third best second five"
Still waiting for them to select A J Lam...
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"the third best second five"
Still waiting for them to select A J Lam...
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
"the third best second five"
Still waiting for them to select A J Lam...
How many Super matches has AJ started at 12?
Is it more the 17 tests Dave has started at 12?
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
"the third best second five"
Still waiting for them to select A J Lam...
How many Super matches has AJ started at 12?
Is it more the 17 tests Dave has started at 12?
@Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
"the third best second five"
Still waiting for them to select A J Lam...
How many Super matches has AJ started at 12?
Is it more the 17 tests Dave has started ?
Lam started at 12 in the business end of Super Rugby and he was amongst the best players on the field.
Lam even looked excellent at 12 for the shithouse Auckland npc team.
It looks like a spot that suits his game.
He showed enough a decent selector would have given him a crack.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
"the third best second five"
Still waiting for them to select A J Lam...
How many Super matches has AJ started at 12?
Is it more the 17 tests Dave has started ?
Lam started at 12 in the business end of Super Rugby and he was amongst the best players on the field.
Lam even looked excellent at 12 for the shithouse Auckland npc team.
It looks like a spot that suits his game.
He showed enough a decent selector would have given him a crack.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
"the third best second five"
Still waiting for them to select A J Lam...
How many Super matches has AJ started at 12?
Is it more the 17 tests Dave has started ?
Lam started at 12 in the business end of Super Rugby and he was amongst the best players on the field.
Lam even looked excellent at 12 for the shithouse Auckland npc team.
It looks like a spot that suits his game.
He showed enough a decent selector would have given him a crack.
I don't think I'm going out on a limb here to say the average fan would be a lot more forgiving if we lost due to giving Lam a try over giving Havili a try.
But of course that wouldn't suit CB's narrative so we can ignore the more obvious example.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
"the third best second five"
Still waiting for them to select A J Lam...
How many Super matches has AJ started at 12?
Is it more the 17 tests Dave has started at 12?
@Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
"the third best second five"
Still waiting for them to select A J Lam...
How many Super matches has AJ started at 12?
Is it more the 17 tests Dave has started at 12?
Has hes started 17 tests at 12?!?
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David Havili hitting the touchie with a cut out pass should be his last act in Black to be fair.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
"the third best second five"
Still waiting for them to select A J Lam...
How many Super matches has AJ started at 12?
Is it more the 17 tests Dave has started at 12?
Has hes started 17 tests at 12?!?
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
"the third best second five"
Still waiting for them to select A J Lam...
How many Super matches has AJ started at 12?
Is it more the 17 tests Dave has started at 12?
Has hes started 17 tests at 12?!?
Yes. Yes he has! It's a fact. Sorry to be a fluffybunny who provided a fact.
Someone tells me Razor'ss not playing enough rookies and I provide some stats showing that he picked 11 rookies in the latest test. But, apparently I'm a fluffybunny again.
I ask someone to tell me how many time AJ has started at 12 - and I'm a fluffybunny yet again. With a narrative.
Maybe somone else could be a fluffybunny who turns up with some facts?!
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David Havili hitting the touchie with a cut out pass should be his last act in Black to be fair.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:
David Havili hitting the touchie with a cut out pass should be his last act in Black to be fair.
Him laughing it off fucken wound me up too. You’re playing for your country, not some social team.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
"the third best second five"
Still waiting for them to select A J Lam...
How many Super matches has AJ started at 12?
Is it more the 17 tests Dave has started at 12?
Has hes started 17 tests at 12?!?
Yes. Yes he has! It's a fact. Sorry to be a fluffybunny who provided a fact.
Someone tells me Razor'ss not playing enough rookies and I provide some stats showing that he picked 11 rookies in the latest test. But, apparently I'm a fluffybunny again.
I ask someone to tell me how many time AJ has started at 12 - and I'm a fluffybunny yet again. With a narrative.
Maybe somone else could be a fluffybunny who turns up with some facts?!
@Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
"the third best second five"
Still waiting for them to select A J Lam...
How many Super matches has AJ started at 12?
Is it more the 17 tests Dave has started at 12?
Has hes started 17 tests at 12?!?
Yes. Yes he has! It's a fact. Sorry to be a fluffybunny who provided a fact.
Someone tells me Razor'ss not playing enough rookies and I provide some stats showing that he picked 11 rookies in the latest test. But, apparently I'm a fluffybunny again.
I ask someone to tell me how many time AJ has started at 12 - and I'm a fluffybunny yet again. With a narrative.
Maybe somone else could be a fluffybunny who turns up with some facts?!
That was more of a surprise to me than anything. I thought he played about 10 max there.
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I think we're a good chance to win perhaps two of these three games.
My reason for optimism is the injection of power we get when we sub on Tosi, Williams, Aumua, and Tuipolotu.
Add to that possibly Roigard as the subbed on half and that is (potentially) very serious impact off the bench. -
@Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
"the third best second five"
Still waiting for them to select A J Lam...
How many Super matches has AJ started at 12?
Is it more the 17 tests Dave has started at 12?
Has hes started 17 tests at 12?!?
Yes. Yes he has! It's a fact. Sorry to be a fluffybunny who provided a fact.
Someone tells me Razor'ss not playing enough rookies and I provide some stats showing that he picked 11 rookies in the latest test. But, apparently I'm a fluffybunny again.
I ask someone to tell me how many time AJ has started at 12 - and I'm a fluffybunny yet again. With a narrative.
Maybe somone else could be a fluffybunny who turns up with some facts?!
That was more of a surprise to me than anything. I thought he played about 10 max there.
@African-Monkey Not having a go at you, at all.
Just a springboard to fire back at the snipers!
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
"the third best second five"
Still waiting for them to select A J Lam...
How many Super matches has AJ started at 12?
Is it more the 17 tests Dave has started at 12?
Has hes started 17 tests at 12?!?
Yes. Yes he has! It's a fact. Sorry to be a fluffybunny who provided a fact.
Someone tells me Razor'ss not playing enough rookies and I provide some stats showing that he picked 11 rookies in the latest test. But, apparently I'm a fluffybunny again.
I ask someone to tell me how many time AJ has started at 12 - and I'm a fluffybunny yet again. With a narrative.
Maybe somone else could be a fluffybunny who turns up with some facts?!
@Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:
Someone tells me Razor'ss not playing enough rookies and I provide some stats showing that he picked 11 rookies in the latest test. But, apparently I'm a fluffybunny again.
11? There were 8 against Japan wasn't there?
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David Havili hitting the touchie with a cut out pass should be his last act in Black to be fair.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:
David Havili hitting the touchie with a cut out pass should be his last act in Black to be fair.
Kick "pass" at that
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:
Someone tells me Razor'ss not playing enough rookies and I provide some stats showing that he picked 11 rookies in the latest test. But, apparently I'm a fluffybunny again.
11? There were 8 against Japan wasn't there?
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:
Someone tells me Razor'ss not playing enough rookies and I provide some stats showing that he picked 11 rookies in the latest test. But, apparently I'm a fluffybunny again.
11? There were 8 against Japan wasn't there?
Seven players who debuted this year, four additional players with only a handful of caps (Finau, Roigard, Perofeta, Lord).
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David Havili gets a lot of undue criticism on here...
I think if paired with a big centre he could be a pretty good international 12. I don't think he should've been selected in the squad but he's not a terrible player.
His kick to the wing was actually perfectly placed - he obviously thought he had a runner out there. It wasn't a lack of skill, he just made a small mistake. And criticising him for laughing it off? We don't want these players getting in their heads when they're making 'positive' errors like that (in, might I add a game that's already well and truly been decided) - I have absolutely no issues with how he reacted.
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David Havili gets a lot of undue criticism on here...
I think if paired with a big centre he could be a pretty good international 12. I don't think he should've been selected in the squad but he's not a terrible player.
His kick to the wing was actually perfectly placed - he obviously thought he had a runner out there. It wasn't a lack of skill, he just made a small mistake. And criticising him for laughing it off? We don't want these players getting in their heads when they're making 'positive' errors like that (in, might I add a game that's already well and truly been decided) - I have absolutely no issues with how he reacted.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks EOYT:
David Havili gets a lot of undue criticism on here...
I think if paired with a big centre he could be a pretty good international 12. I don't think he should've been selected in the squad but he's not a terrible player.
His kick to the wing was actually perfectly placed - he obviously thought he had a runner out there. It wasn't a lack of skill, he just made a small mistake. And criticising him for laughing it off? We don't want these players getting in their heads when they're making 'positive' errors like that (in, might I add a game that's already well and truly been decided) - I have absolutely no issues with how he reacted.
This
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:
Someone tells me Razor'ss not playing enough rookies and I provide some stats showing that he picked 11 rookies in the latest test. But, apparently I'm a fluffybunny again.
11? There were 8 against Japan wasn't there?
Seven players who debuted this year, four additional players with only a handful of caps (Finau, Roigard, Perofeta, Lord).
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks EOYT:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:
Someone tells me Razor'ss not playing enough rookies and I provide some stats showing that he picked 11 rookies in the latest test. But, apparently I'm a fluffybunny again.
11? There were 8 against Japan wasn't there?
Seven players who debuted this year, four additional players with only a handful of caps (Finau, Roigard, Perofeta, Lord).
Which doesn't equate to 11 rookies. Finau started a Bledisloe last year, Lord started against Argentina away last year and people were rightly pissed off Roigard wasn't named on the bench for the World Cup Final last year. Trying to turn that into credit for playing them against 14th ranked Japan is some serious mental gymnastics.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Chris-B Most of the NZ hookers aren't tall (< 1.83 m), and that includes those in the ABs. Some are obviously much bigger/heavier than others (ST). It's why Thompson could have been an interesting long-term option as he is a similar build to Marx. Slater is also on the taller side (1.86 m).
I'm all for it - taller and bigger hookers.
But the coaches have told us for years that they try to pack on as much as weight as possible - especially in the tight forwards - without compromising performance elsewhere.
The harsh reality is that you can't make short hookers much bigger. That's a huge problem for Ricky and Kurt - among others.
