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All Blacks vs Ireland

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    25 minutes for the best players and 55 for the lesser ones? No thanks.

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      @canefan Exactly
      The bench is the 2nd wave that can also contain what Joe public think as the better players - they come on and change the pace and tempo.
      They lift the guys around them and thats what we have been missing all year in that final 20min....finally looks like we may have got it right and people want to change again to having lesser players coming off the bench

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      @kidcalder I don't think that's the case at all. Pretty bizarre selecting a poor player to start, just so the guy that replaces him is better.

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        25 minutes for the best players and 55 for the lesser ones? No thanks.

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        @reprobate said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

        25 minutes for the best players and 55 for the lesser ones? No thanks.

        Genuinely how I see it, feels like I'm being gaslit.

        Should we have brought in Lomu/Cullen/Carter off the bench because they'll be SUPER effective against tired defenders??

        I was already pissed off enough that we only gave Roigard/Dmac 20 minutes to try get us out of the hole the starters put us in.

        No surprise every game Dmac has started this year we were prone to building big leads and then our bench not finishing. I don't think the reverse of that is better by bringing in inferior bench players to START the first 60.

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          @kidcalder I don't think that's the case at all. Pretty bizarre selecting a poor player to start, just so the guy that replaces him is better.

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          @Bones Selecting a poor player for the AB's ... a bit creative
          Not really what I was saying was it

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            @Bones Selecting a poor player for the AB's ... a bit creative
            Not really what I was saying was it

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            @kidcalder said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

            @Bones Selecting a poor player for the AB's ... a bit creative
            Not really what I was saying was it

            If you're advocating for guys like BB to start because the player who replaces him is better, that's really what you're saying.

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              Actually Im not a BB fan and I prefer Dmac to start and BB to bench as I also believe BB plays better off the bench
              I would like Sititi to start at 8 and Savea on the bench ( not necessarily to replace Sititi ...maybe at 7)
              The player i had mentioned was only Roigard who at this time I think is better off the bench rather than starting... my opinion - his strength and pace v tiring forwards can change the game.
              That is right now... not next year or WC

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              • BonesB Bones

                @kidcalder I don't think that's the case at all. Pretty bizarre selecting a poor player to start, just so the guy that replaces him is better.

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                @Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

                @kidcalder I don't think that's the case at all. Pretty bizarre selecting a poor player to start, just so the guy that replaces him is better.

                For me, it's more a horses for courses situation. Unfortunately we can't replay the match all over again, changing the starters around to see how they would have reacted in the reverse roles

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                  Halfback is not a position which it matters so much to have impact as the forwards. (such as bringing on Patty T)

                  Provided the halfback is fit enough to play the style, you can keep him on for as long as you need, especially if he's superior to the other option - as we did with Aaron Smith.

                  I'd say you start Roigard, and replace him if he begins to fade.

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                    Actually next year off the bench Gotham's sheer pace could be a weapon and I like a bit of R &R as well

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                      Actually next year off the bench Gotham's sheer pace could be a weapon and I like a bit of R &R as well

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                      @nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

                      Actually next year off the bench Gotham's sheer pace could be a weapon and I like a bit of R &R as well

                      We sure could use a superhero or two for this game.

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                        Yes Gotham would be ideal as a pace changer impact player

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                          Ireland, as number 1 side in the world and playing at home, are rightly the bookmakers' favourite to win this one. Form suggests they will win too. Can the All Blacks create an upset?

                          https://oddspedia.com/rugby-union/ireland-new-zealand-330476

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                            Yes Gotham would be ideal as a pace changer impact player

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                            @kidcalder said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

                            Yes Gotham would be ideal as a pace changer impact player

                            What? The Dark Knight?

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                              Beauden Barrett and Codie Taylor failed their HIAs so I assume will be unavailable.

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                                Yes Gotham would be ideal as a pace changer impact player

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                                @kidcalder said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

                                Yes Gotham would be ideal as a pace changer impact player

                                I meant to spell Hotham but he moves too fast for me to get to the H. .

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                                  @kidcalder said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

                                  Yes Gotham would be ideal as a pace changer impact player

                                  What? The Dark Knight?

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                                  @sparky said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

                                  @kidcalder said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

                                  Yes Gotham would be ideal as a pace changer impact player

                                  What? The Dark Knight?

                                  And.. that's Noah's nickname sorted ..

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                                    Barring injury, think there'll be little change from the team that played England. Maybe TJP ahead of Ratima. and Roigard to start.

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                                    • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

                                      Actually next year off the bench Gotham's sheer pace could be a weapon and I like a bit of R &R as well

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                                      @nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

                                      Actually next year off the bench Gotham's sheer pace could be a weapon and I like a bit of R &R as well

                                      Exceot Hotham doesn't have sheer pace. He's not slow, but speed isn't one of his assets.

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                                        @nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

                                        Actually next year off the bench Gotham's sheer pace could be a weapon and I like a bit of R &R as well

                                        Exceot Hotham doesn't have sheer pace. He's not slow, but speed isn't one of his assets.

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                                        @Crazy-Horse yeah I'd pick Roigard as quicker, although that may have changed post injury.

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                                          @nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

                                          Actually next year off the bench Gotham's sheer pace could be a weapon and I like a bit of R &R as well

                                          Exceot Hotham doesn't have sheer pace. He's not slow, but speed isn't one of his assets.

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                                          @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

                                          @nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

                                          Actually next year off the bench Gotham's sheer pace could be a weapon and I like a bit of R &R as well

                                          Exceot Hotham doesn't have sheer pace. He's not slow, but speed isn't one of his assets.

                                          Well that try was nice at any rate.

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