The Silver Fern

@Chris-B said in Will Jordan's try scoring:

Yeah - especially if he shifts to fullback - which he probably needs to do to prolong his career.

Breaking it purely as a wing seems really difficult. There's always another freak just around the corner

So Jordan and Rieko both have a reasonable chance assuming Jordan moves to fullback. Score the bulk of the tries as a winger, then move to a position with better longevity but a lower strike rate

I'd like to see more of Sotutu at 8. I doubt I will get my wish.

@nzzp said in Foster's Firsts.:

@nostrildamus said in Foster's Firsts.:

@nzzp said in Foster's Firsts.:

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster's Firsts.:

Disagree with the last part. The RWC showed what these guys are actually capable of.

Counterpoint: who in that squad didn't play better than they had in the 4 year cycle?

Shannon and Sam C have played better.

Which Sam Cane performance was better than his Ireland game?

I thought he was meaning the final only. My bad if entire RWC.

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks MOTM v Ireland III:

@Bones said in All Blacks MOTM v Ireland III:

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks MOTM v Ireland III:

Would like to see Jordan from 15

My only worry there being he appears to make such poor reads on defence. But yeah like Bower I guess it's maybe not all down to him.

Isn't the defence read issue more of a problem on the wing? At fullback as the last line of defence for the Crusaders I haven't noticed his defensive read issue that much. He does fall off the odd tackle in defence as a fullback but so does Jordie.

It is more of a problem at wing, presumably because he hasn't played there as much (and I think Ioane's communication/organisation is lacking), but he still makes errors at fullback - tends to hang back and let overlaps happen rather than shoot up and take the extra man. he's got the acceleration to be really good at that, but doesn't get the decisions right.

Weeks later, I still can’t get it out of my head that the worst thing about all of this is that regardless of the coaching tactics, player performances and decision making is I still can’t understand how the ABs let someone turn up and insult their captain like that with no retribution.

Honestly, it’s the biggest disgrace of the lot.

That’s the first thing they need to address. Someone will probably say it again and as long as it isn’t in a RWC knockout game then I’d end the game right there and then, if you know what I mean. Have some f’n pride.

The Stuff player ratings were a joke too. How did Reece get the same score (5) as Ofa?

@Bones "late switch got us both"

Rieko, Smith, Bower.

A tough one with a lot of contenders.

I hope @Stargazer doesn't stumble into any other thread on here, I'm pretty sure all have been used at some stage for a dissection of 2019 RWC. It will blow their mind.

@gibbon-rib said in Wallabies v All Blacks (Melbourne):

@booboo said in Wallabies v All Blacks (Melbourne):

@gibbon-rib said in Wallabies v All Blacks (Melbourne):

when the 80 minute hooter went, and the crowd went mad

Reminds me of a number of videos of the 2011 RWC final. The bandwagon jumping Kiwis who thought we'd won when the siren went ...

It's no surprise at all in Melbourne, expect better from Auckland though

Was really weird. Even some videos of the crowd at the ground. May track them down when more compos mentis.

Back on subject ... a trip to Melbourne in Spring would not be all bad ..

@Rapido from the match report

“ Conditions - Weather fine, breezy, ground firm”

According to weather history on that day in Osaka it was lovely 81 degrees.

@Derm-McCrum Given the disruptions to our side and some odd selections I think Fozzie is trying to make it tight. Good luck.

@Bovidae said in All Blacks in Hell:

@Nepia Maka over fatty Turner. Moving to NH should automatically exclude him. 😉

Then it would be G Evans in to replace him due to my selection policy.

TBH, I don't really hold that against Turner, in those days he had to move to further his career. There was no Hurricanes to overlook him or Chiefs, MP and Highlanders to pick him up.

I've concluded that we need to start Vaa'i as he's undefeated. 😉

@mikedogz said in Old AB teams discussion:

Every NZer thinks they are an AB coach, even the coach’s son…

I am uncomfortable with writing off people who make mistakes.

On Sevu Reece for example. I haven't seen the court docs but I gather it was a rather low level incident against his partner after which he attended an anger management course, turned his life around and has remained with the same partner ever since.

I don't have an issue with him being an All Black. Reeces story is not uncommon in my experience. People do dumb things, get the help they need and don't get in trouble again and end up in fulfilling relationships with the person they abused.

The last thing we want to do is cut that pathway off for people, whether they be All Black's, nurses, lawyers or whatever. There's nothing more guaranteed to cause conflict than evonomic deprivation and stopping people from earning a living.

Full disclosure - I am a family lawyer.

@bones yeah, i'll give you that, i think im just happy enough if he cant clear it in time he will take the hit and not shovel it on or something

I agree with him, along with the injury enforced front row change over. I wonder if Foster sees it the same

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-sir-steve-hansen-labels-jordie-barrett-as-the-biggest-all-blacks-positive-of-2022/QIN2RWVNBBALRHN7O75UEIXWMA/