Stadium of Canterbury
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@rapido said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@machpants said in Stadium of Canterbury:
It's finished now, right? Cos fuck me this thread had gone on forever!
Yip, finished, includes a velodrome track around the rugby field by the sounds of it. Like old school Okara Park and Rugby Park.
Good. The one thing I've never liked about rugby grounds is being able to see the players.
@antipodean i think you were being sarcastic...but you can be TOO close
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@nzzp i was honestly going to come here and wind up Shark by suggesting, with the input costs of construction through the roof, for their budget Christchurch is getting a grass embankment and a couple of pop-ups from Bunnings.
Old school cool
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@nzzp said in Stadium of Canterbury:
That's stunning incompetence from the council. The stadium should've been built by now.
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its time to cut their cloth....work out what they can build for their budget...what they can get their contractor to commit too, maybe its the same thing without a roof....maybe it has to go back to having to build individual stands over time
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Cutting out the velodrome track would be a good start. You could hardly see the players at the Olympic Stadium here in Tokyo. Complete waste of time going to watch rugby there. Make it hockey/soccer/rugby, etc multi-purpose and cut out the other shit that pushes the spectator away.
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Cutting out the velodrome track would be a good start. You could hardly see the players at the Olympic Stadium here in Tokyo. Complete waste of time going to watch rugby there. Make it hockey/soccer/rugby, etc multi-purpose and cut out the other shit that pushes the spectator away.
@Old-Samurai-Jack is doesn;t have a velodrome track does it?...its just a rectangular pitch
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this is not getting built. The Council don't want it, and now they have the perfect out, and they'll let the public make the decision for them.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack is doesn;t have a velodrome track does it?...its just a rectangular pitch
@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Old-Samurai-Jack is doesn;t have a velodrome track does it?...its just a rectangular pitch
It there is a cycle track round the outside of the playing field there will be some spectacular crashes on the rather tight corners not to mention not much room to pass another rider on the narrow track. Now I come to think of it full contact bike racing might prove to be a real drawcard and get the crowds streaming in through the turnstyles..
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the final option, if we feel there is enough people in canterbury to justify this design...then let them pay for it, my football team in the uk raised bonds in our new stadium, i dropped a couple of grand on one...user pays
@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
the final option, if we feel there is enough people in canterbury to justify this design...then let them pay for it, my football team in the uk raised bonds in our new stadium, i dropped a couple of grand on one...user pays
10-12 years ago you could get a 30,000 seat covered rectangular stadium for $225M.
Now it's $683M for a ... 30,000 seat covered stadium? That's not just inflation.
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Just build some stands around a rugby field. Forget about a roof and indoor concerts etc
The locals are used to the conditions in winter. Plus the elements are part of the home ground advantage for when a team like the Reds visit
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and as for the bonds, it's only $1,000 per person, assuming everyone participates from Canterbury region. mind you, that stretches from near Ward to the Waitaki.
Stadium economics don't stack up. Just a reminder, if you want to return 6% on the spend (to allow for upkeep, capital costs, etc), you need to generate $40M profit a year. Which is selling out a 30,000 seat stadium 27 times a year for a $50 profit over operating costs. And that's just to return 6%.
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Just build some stands around a rugby field. Forget about a roof and indoor concerts etc
The locals are used to the conditions in winter. Plus the elements are part of the home ground advantage for when a team like the Reds visit
@Duluth said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Just build some stands around a rugby field. Forget about a roof and indoor concerts etc
The locals are used to the conditions in winter. Plus the elements are part of the home ground advantage for when a team like the Reds visit
couple of BBQs
Chilly Bin full of Cantab Draftfucking sorted.
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Just build some stands around a rugby field. Forget about a roof and indoor concerts etc
The locals are used to the conditions in winter. Plus the elements are part of the home ground advantage for when a team like the Reds visit
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@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
the final option, if we feel there is enough people in canterbury to justify this design...then let them pay for it, my football team in the uk raised bonds in our new stadium, i dropped a couple of grand on one...user pays
10-12 years ago you could get a 30,000 seat covered rectangular stadium for $225M.
Now it's $683M for a ... 30,000 seat covered stadium? That's not just inflation.
@nzzp in fairness, i think FoBar cost more than the official sums, there was lots of talk about deferred payments and the like...and then the public forgot about it
i mean, there is normal inflation....then there is the price of building materials in chch due to the earthquake rebuild and then COVID...and just look at that design, it is much more substantial than FoBar, depending on if you consider the zoo permanent its only 18000 permanent seats. The zoo might always be up but its still scaffold that would be a lot more expensive to replicate along the lines of the two other stands
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@Duluth said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Just build some stands around a rugby field. Forget about a roof and indoor concerts etc
The locals are used to the conditions in winter. Plus the elements are part of the home ground advantage for when a team like the Reds visit
couple of BBQs
Chilly Bin full of Cantab Draftfucking sorted.
@mariner4life said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Chilly Bin full of Cantab Draft
Hasn't production of CD stopped since the EQ? Locals care to inform -- google wasn't totally conclusive
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@mariner4life said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Chilly Bin full of Cantab Draft
Hasn't production of CD stopped since the EQ? Locals care to inform -- google wasn't totally conclusive
@nzzp the brewery is long gone so if they are still making it it isn;t in chch
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@nzzp in fairness, i think FoBar cost more than the official sums, there was lots of talk about deferred payments and the like...and then the public forgot about it
i mean, there is normal inflation....then there is the price of building materials in chch due to the earthquake rebuild and then COVID...and just look at that design, it is much more substantial than FoBar, depending on if you consider the zoo permanent its only 18000 permanent seats. The zoo might always be up but its still scaffold that would be a lot more expensive to replicate along the lines of the two other stands
@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@nzzp in fairness, i think FoBar cost more than the office sums, there was lots of talk about deferred payments and the like...and then the public forgot about it
Good point. Best I can see is this: $266M - seems to include everything (not just construction cost)
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/be-wary-of-chch-stadium-estimates
Dunedin’s stadium history is instructive. The initial cost was put at $188 million. The final costs, including land purchases and external advice, pushed the total cost to $266 million. (The Otago Regional Council paid $37.5 million because of the perceived regional benefits of the stadium.) -
@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@nzzp in fairness, i think FoBar cost more than the office sums, there was lots of talk about deferred payments and the like...and then the public forgot about it
Good point. Best I can see is this: $266M - seems to include everything (not just construction cost)
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/be-wary-of-chch-stadium-estimates
Dunedin’s stadium history is instructive. The initial cost was put at $188 million. The final costs, including land purchases and external advice, pushed the total cost to $266 million. (The Otago Regional Council paid $37.5 million because of the perceived regional benefits of the stadium.)@nzzp i thought i had heard over $300m but cant be bothered to look...still well short of $600m
looking back FoBarr is a pretty good design, two free standing stands, the ends are bolted on, roof is connected to the main stand but not structurally, the two big columns in the corners hold up that side, could have been built pretty much the same without the roof if budget had changed
