Parker v ??
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Tua wasn't stupid in that fight, Lewis was clever.
It turned out to be a rubbish fight because the match up was poor. There was no way Lewis was going to be drawn into a scrap and I think he truly respected Tua's power. He simply kept him at arms length and picked off the jabs whenever Tua tried to engage.
I think AJ will be asked to do similar. Don't let JP goad you into a scrap and run the risk of getting caught with a good punch. Stay back and make him come to you.
A boring AJ win won't harm him at all. He would still add a belt and pack out a venue for Wilder.I do wonder though if JP and Barry have been boxing a little clever, not wanting to show much. If so, it almost backfired on them against Fury. We have seen times when JP has used very good head movement and fast combos to surprise opponents. There is also the option to do all the talking about the chin but target the body and arms. Bash those beach muscles until they are very sore before targeting the head.
@crucial Tua was very stupid IMO. He went looking for the KO when he could have gone to the body. He could have at least tried to get under the jab and use his lack of height to his advantage. He showed a lack of ring knowledge. Yes Lewis had a great plan to avoid the KO by using his jab. But Tua showed he was nothing more than a KO artist with no plan B.
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@crucial Tua was very stupid IMO. He went looking for the KO when he could have gone to the body. He could have at least tried to get under the jab and use his lack of height to his advantage. He showed a lack of ring knowledge. Yes Lewis had a great plan to avoid the KO by using his jab. But Tua showed he was nothing more than a KO artist with no plan B.
@raznomore said in Parker v ??:
@crucial Tua was very stupid IMO. He went looking for the KO when he could have gone to the body. He could have at least tried to get under the jab and use his lack of height to his advantage. He showed a lack of ring knowledge. Yes Lewis had a great plan to avoid the KO by using his jab. But Tua showed he was nothing more than a KO artist with no plan B.
Tua would have thrived in many other eras where really tall guys were rare. Imagine a slugfest between him and Rocky Marciano.
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Wasn't it subsequently revealed that Tua had some kind of injury that he fought with and they kept secret in the leadup?
@number-10 said in Parker v ??:
Wasn't it subsequently revealed that Tua had some kind of injury that he fought with and they kept secret in the leadup?
Was likely Suzy's fault.
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Genuine question - is Parker a better chance of winning vs Joshua than Tua was vs Lewis?
@kiwimurph said in Parker v ??:
Genuine question - is Parker a better chance of winning vs Joshua than Tua was vs Lewis?
Hard to answer , both are underdogs , the thing with AJ , we still don’t really know how good he is , the next 12 months will probably answer all that
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For those in the know... how do these guys stack up in terms of fighting style? Anything that might give one or the other an advantage in terms of how they operate in the ring? So far I've seen comments about Joe having faster hands, but AP being a heavier hitter, then the stuff about AP's chin...
I am really hoping we see that hand speed coming back for Joe - there have been flashes of it in his last few fights, but he's also looked a bit short of condition when going deeper into the fight. I'd love to think they've been foxing a bit to entice AP into the fight... but that might be giving Barry and co a bit too much credit though? surely it's a risk to hold anything back in the heavyweight division with the sort of stopping power the big boppers have?
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To be honest I think AJ has the advantage in most areas , size , reach , power .
While fans make a case for joes speed and power , if the only fights you had seen of his were the last 3 , you would probably question if we are talking about the same fighter .
But anything can happen on the night . Some say ajs style will suit joe , I guess we are about to find out .
I’ve got AJ winnng , probably tko , with joe putting up a brave performance, but wearing too many heavy shots . -
And I must emphasis, that’s not what I want to happen , I will be supporting joe all the way , no one will be happier than me if he wins .
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To be honest I think AJ has the advantage in most areas , size , reach , power .
While fans make a case for joes speed and power , if the only fights you had seen of his were the last 3 , you would probably question if we are talking about the same fighter .
But anything can happen on the night . Some say ajs style will suit joe , I guess we are about to find out .
I’ve got AJ winnng , probably tko , with joe putting up a brave performance, but wearing too many heavy shots .@kiwiinmelb said in Parker v ??:
To be honest I think AJ has the advantage in most areas , size , reach , power .
While fans make a case for joes speed and power , if the only fights you had seen of his were the last 3 , you would probably question if we are talking about the same fighter .
But anything can happen on the night . Some say ajs style will suit joe , I guess we are about to find out .
I’ve got AJ winnng , probably tko , with joe putting up a brave performance, but wearing too many heavy shots .Agree mate. Hope we are wrong but see it panning out this way. We havent seen Joes power for a while now. Hope it returns but hard to gain both speed and power at same time. Usually have to sacrifice one for the other
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@kiwiinmelb said in Parker v ??:
To be honest I think AJ has the advantage in most areas , size , reach , power .
While fans make a case for joes speed and power , if the only fights you had seen of his were the last 3 , you would probably question if we are talking about the same fighter .
But anything can happen on the night . Some say ajs style will suit joe , I guess we are about to find out .
I’ve got AJ winnng , probably tko , with joe putting up a brave performance, but wearing too many heavy shots .Agree mate. Hope we are wrong but see it panning out this way. We havent seen Joes power for a while now. Hope it returns but hard to gain both speed and power at same time. Usually have to sacrifice one for the other
@jk said in Parker v ??:
@kiwiinmelb said in Parker v ??:
To be honest I think AJ has the advantage in most areas , size , reach , power .
While fans make a case for joes speed and power , if the only fights you had seen of his were the last 3 , you would probably question if we are talking about the same fighter .
But anything can happen on the night . Some say ajs style will suit joe , I guess we are about to find out .
I’ve got AJ winnng , probably tko , with joe putting up a brave performance, but wearing too many heavy shots .Agree mate. Hope we are wrong but see it panning out this way. We havent seen Joes power for a while now. Hope it returns but hard to gain both speed and power at same time. Usually have to sacrifice one for the other
Parker has quite a short reach compared to Joshua.
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@jk said in Parker v ??:
@kiwiinmelb said in Parker v ??:
To be honest I think AJ has the advantage in most areas , size , reach , power .
While fans make a case for joes speed and power , if the only fights you had seen of his were the last 3 , you would probably question if we are talking about the same fighter .
But anything can happen on the night . Some say ajs style will suit joe , I guess we are about to find out .
I’ve got AJ winnng , probably tko , with joe putting up a brave performance, but wearing too many heavy shots .Agree mate. Hope we are wrong but see it panning out this way. We havent seen Joes power for a while now. Hope it returns but hard to gain both speed and power at same time. Usually have to sacrifice one for the other
Parker has quite a short reach compared to Joshua.
@mn5 said in Parker v ??:
@jk said in Parker v ??:
@kiwiinmelb said in Parker v ??:
To be honest I think AJ has the advantage in most areas , size , reach , power .
While fans make a case for joes speed and power , if the only fights you had seen of his were the last 3 , you would probably question if we are talking about the same fighter .
But anything can happen on the night . Some say ajs style will suit joe , I guess we are about to find out .
I’ve got AJ winnng , probably tko , with joe putting up a brave performance, but wearing too many heavy shots .Agree mate. Hope we are wrong but see it panning out this way. We havent seen Joes power for a while now. Hope it returns but hard to gain both speed and power at same time. Usually have to sacrifice one for the other
Parker has quite a short reach compared to Joshua.
Joshua has quite a long reach compared to most.
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@mn5 said in Parker v ??:
@jk said in Parker v ??:
@kiwiinmelb said in Parker v ??:
To be honest I think AJ has the advantage in most areas , size , reach , power .
While fans make a case for joes speed and power , if the only fights you had seen of his were the last 3 , you would probably question if we are talking about the same fighter .
But anything can happen on the night . Some say ajs style will suit joe , I guess we are about to find out .
I’ve got AJ winnng , probably tko , with joe putting up a brave performance, but wearing too many heavy shots .Agree mate. Hope we are wrong but see it panning out this way. We havent seen Joes power for a while now. Hope it returns but hard to gain both speed and power at same time. Usually have to sacrifice one for the other
Parker has quite a short reach compared to Joshua.
Joshua has quite a long reach compared to most.
@crucial said in Parker v ??:
@mn5 said in Parker v ??:
@jk said in Parker v ??:
@kiwiinmelb said in Parker v ??:
To be honest I think AJ has the advantage in most areas , size , reach , power .
While fans make a case for joes speed and power , if the only fights you had seen of his were the last 3 , you would probably question if we are talking about the same fighter .
But anything can happen on the night . Some say ajs style will suit joe , I guess we are about to find out .
I’ve got AJ winnng , probably tko , with joe putting up a brave performance, but wearing too many heavy shots .Agree mate. Hope we are wrong but see it panning out this way. We havent seen Joes power for a while now. Hope it returns but hard to gain both speed and power at same time. Usually have to sacrifice one for the other
Parker has quite a short reach compared to Joshua.
Joshua has quite a long reach compared to most.
True but Parkers is pretty ordinary for someone 6 foot 4
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@crucial said in Parker v ??:
@mn5 said in Parker v ??:
@jk said in Parker v ??:
@kiwiinmelb said in Parker v ??:
To be honest I think AJ has the advantage in most areas , size , reach , power .
While fans make a case for joes speed and power , if the only fights you had seen of his were the last 3 , you would probably question if we are talking about the same fighter .
But anything can happen on the night . Some say ajs style will suit joe , I guess we are about to find out .
I’ve got AJ winnng , probably tko , with joe putting up a brave performance, but wearing too many heavy shots .Agree mate. Hope we are wrong but see it panning out this way. We havent seen Joes power for a while now. Hope it returns but hard to gain both speed and power at same time. Usually have to sacrifice one for the other
Parker has quite a short reach compared to Joshua.
Joshua has quite a long reach compared to most.
True but Parkers is pretty ordinary for someone 6 foot 4
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@crucial said in Parker v ??:
@mn5 said in Parker v ??:
@jk said in Parker v ??:
@kiwiinmelb said in Parker v ??:
To be honest I think AJ has the advantage in most areas , size , reach , power .
While fans make a case for joes speed and power , if the only fights you had seen of his were the last 3 , you would probably question if we are talking about the same fighter .
But anything can happen on the night . Some say ajs style will suit joe , I guess we are about to find out .
I’ve got AJ winnng , probably tko , with joe putting up a brave performance, but wearing too many heavy shots .Agree mate. Hope we are wrong but see it panning out this way. We havent seen Joes power for a while now. Hope it returns but hard to gain both speed and power at same time. Usually have to sacrifice one for the other
Parker has quite a short reach compared to Joshua.
Joshua has quite a long reach compared to most.
True but Parkers is pretty ordinary for someone 6 foot 4
@mn5 said in Parker v ??:
@crucial said in Parker v ??:
@mn5 said in Parker v ??:
@jk said in Parker v ??:
@kiwiinmelb said in Parker v ??:
To be honest I think AJ has the advantage in most areas , size , reach , power .
While fans make a case for joes speed and power , if the only fights you had seen of his were the last 3 , you would probably question if we are talking about the same fighter .
But anything can happen on the night . Some say ajs style will suit joe , I guess we are about to find out .
I’ve got AJ winnng , probably tko , with joe putting up a brave performance, but wearing too many heavy shots .Agree mate. Hope we are wrong but see it panning out this way. We havent seen Joes power for a while now. Hope it returns but hard to gain both speed and power at same time. Usually have to sacrifice one for the other
Parker has quite a short reach compared to Joshua.
Joshua has quite a long reach compared to most.
True but Parkers is pretty ordinary for someone 6 foot 4
Have to admit, I just thought he was average and others were above average, but I looked up a few others and yes JP does seem like a kangaroo.
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Wasn't it subsequently revealed that Tua had some kind of injury that he fought with and they kept secret in the leadup?
@number-10 said in Parker v ??:
Wasn't it subsequently revealed that Tua had some kind of injury that he fought with and they kept secret in the leadup?
Broken or cracked ribs partway through the fight, not sure about beforehand, although it's entirely possible that he had a rib injury and Lewis caught him there and broke them properly.
I remember watching live, and Tua was in it till that happened about round 5, because he suddenly stopped trying to get inside for some reason.
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@mn5 said in Parker v ??:
@crucial said in Parker v ??:
@mn5 said in Parker v ??:
@jk said in Parker v ??:
@kiwiinmelb said in Parker v ??:
To be honest I think AJ has the advantage in most areas , size , reach , power .
While fans make a case for joes speed and power , if the only fights you had seen of his were the last 3 , you would probably question if we are talking about the same fighter .
But anything can happen on the night . Some say ajs style will suit joe , I guess we are about to find out .
I’ve got AJ winnng , probably tko , with joe putting up a brave performance, but wearing too many heavy shots .Agree mate. Hope we are wrong but see it panning out this way. We havent seen Joes power for a while now. Hope it returns but hard to gain both speed and power at same time. Usually have to sacrifice one for the other
Parker has quite a short reach compared to Joshua.
Joshua has quite a long reach compared to most.
True but Parkers is pretty ordinary for someone 6 foot 4
Have to admit, I just thought he was average and others were above average, but I looked up a few others and yes JP does seem like a kangaroo.
@crucial said in Parker v ??:
@mn5 said in Parker v ??:
@crucial said in Parker v ??:
@mn5 said in Parker v ??:
@jk said in Parker v ??:
@kiwiinmelb said in Parker v ??:
To be honest I think AJ has the advantage in most areas , size , reach , power .
While fans make a case for joes speed and power , if the only fights you had seen of his were the last 3 , you would probably question if we are talking about the same fighter .
But anything can happen on the night . Some say ajs style will suit joe , I guess we are about to find out .
I’ve got AJ winnng , probably tko , with joe putting up a brave performance, but wearing too many heavy shots .Agree mate. Hope we are wrong but see it panning out this way. We havent seen Joes power for a while now. Hope it returns but hard to gain both speed and power at same time. Usually have to sacrifice one for the other
Parker has quite a short reach compared to Joshua.
Joshua has quite a long reach compared to most.
True but Parkers is pretty ordinary for someone 6 foot 4
Have to admit, I just thought he was average and others were above average, but I looked up a few others and yes JP does seem like a kangaroo.
Which is why he does that thing where he lunges forward ( almost jumps ) to throw a combo , it’s been a bit easily read in his last few fights , Joshua is pretty good at slipping punches and countering , I have fears of AJ setting him up here .
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@raznomore said in Parker v ??:
Remember when Shane Cameron's manager decided it would be a good idea to use his key ring torch, to cringe worthy effect, in the presser before Cameron was basically ruined by Tua? "See that little light? Well its going to be [turns light off] lights out for David Tua..."
Higgins is like that every time he opens his mouth. Its like someone's westie uncle has stumbled drunkenly into a press conference and they're actually letting him speak. There's so much corny ass machismo going on. Higgins is the personification of a bright yellow trans am at at traffic light with a bright red outline eagle on the bonnet, hard out revving its engine at teenagers while blasting "eye of the tiger". Out of date.
I remember Cameron tried the old 'O for awesome' stuff to try and wind up Tua. Fair to say it didn't work.
Fair to say it did work, but not to Cameron's advantage...
Smacked him over in round 2 and went to BK afterwards. Legend.
Just went and re watched on youtube. Man, Tua destroyed him.
I remember thinking that Cameron looked a little scared before the bell rang, and there might be a reason for this.
A boxing trainer told me he watched Tua and a young Cameron spar years before this fight, and he said Tua knocked Cameron out. He said Cameron's body was going to remember that once they got in the ring.
This match-up was seriously tailor made for a classic Tua KO victory. Stylistically, it couldn't of been better for Tua.
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Deontay "Whirling Windmill" Wilder fights Luis "was born during the production of the original Kind Kong" Ortiz this Sunday(NZ/OZ time).
People have been saying for some time that Ortiz is older than the 38yo he claims to be and that he is in fact 48yo! It will be an interesting fight but its a circus act and it detracts from the real fight happening later in the month.
Who ever wins AJ vs JP is taking WIlders, or potentially Ortiz belt and easily.
