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  • nzzpN nzzp

    @DaGrubster said in Americas Cup:

    Team NZ don’t look anywhere near as polished compared to the last campaign.

    Yet. 4 weeks into their campaign - they're watching and aiming at March, not December

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    @nzzp said in Americas Cup:

    @DaGrubster said in Americas Cup:

    Team NZ don’t look anywhere near as polished compared to the last campaign.

    Yet. 4 weeks into their campaign - they're watching and aiming at March, not December

    Unfortunately so is everyone else

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    • boobooB booboo

      @nzzp said in Americas Cup:

      @DaGrubster said in Americas Cup:

      Team NZ don’t look anywhere near as polished compared to the last campaign.

      Yet. 4 weeks into their campaign - they're watching and aiming at March, not December

      Unfortunately so is everyone else

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      @booboo said in Americas Cup:

      @nzzp said in Americas Cup:

      @DaGrubster said in Americas Cup:

      Team NZ don’t look anywhere near as polished compared to the last campaign.

      Yet. 4 weeks into their campaign - they're watching and aiming at March, not December

      Unfortunately so is everyone else

      Having a quick boat at the outset is encouraging. We improved the sailing / foiling skills massively in Bermuda and we had a quick boat there too.

      I think that we can improve the boat, but definitely the skills. The guys managed to keep the cat on foils for a race or two last time. I see no reason that they won't get up to that level again. They haven't had long in these machines.

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        Coutts comes across as such a piston wristed gibbon.

        https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/123910904/americas-cup-copyright-claim-filed-by-coutts-vindictive

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        • BovidaeB Bovidae

          Coutts comes across as such a piston wristed gibbon.

          https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/123910904/americas-cup-copyright-claim-filed-by-coutts-vindictive

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          @Bovidae total fluffybunny

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            https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/americas-cup/123921543/americas-cup-is-sir-ben-ainslie-emerging-as-future-partner-for-team-new-Zealand

            in other news, has he given up already, we'll take his money but not sure we need him to help tune anything

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              First capsizing of an AC75. Unfortuantely, it was ETNZ Te Rehutai.

              Some good footage of this around the traps and this has two angles.

              https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/sport/other/spectacular-footage-shows-team-nz-capsizing-during-americas-cup-practice-race

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              • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/americas-cup/123921543/americas-cup-is-sir-ben-ainslie-emerging-as-future-partner-for-team-new-Zealand

                in other news, has he given up already, we'll take his money but not sure we need him to help tune anything

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                @Kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:

                https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/americas-cup/123921543/americas-cup-is-sir-ben-ainslie-emerging-as-future-partner-for-team-new-Zealand

                in other news, has he given up already, we'll take his money but not sure we need him to help tune anything

                No substitute for live fire exercises

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                • RoninWCR RoninWC

                  First capsizing of an AC75. Unfortuantely, it was ETNZ Te Rehutai.

                  Some good footage of this around the traps and this has two angles.

                  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/sport/other/spectacular-footage-shows-team-nz-capsizing-during-americas-cup-practice-race

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                  @RoninWC said in Americas Cup:

                  First capsizing of an AC75.

                  They capsized Te Aihe twice.

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                    Coutts is so deep in the fluffybunny bucket that frankly I am surprised that he managed to climb high enough to stick his head above the rim.

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                    • dogmeatD dogmeat

                      @RoninWC said in Americas Cup:

                      First capsizing of an AC75.

                      They capsized Te Aihe twice.

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                      @dogmeat said in Americas Cup:

                      @RoninWC said in Americas Cup:

                      First capsizing of an AC75.

                      They capsized Te Aihe twice.

                      Right you are @dogmeat I had forgotten about that.

                      It's funny, Te Aihe to my eyes looks smaller than Te Rehutai so I didn't think it was quite AC75 but a quick Google check confirms it is.

                      Comparing the two visually, there is no difference length wise but the hull shape is significantly different with Te Rehutai being quite bulkier.

                      From the article below:

                      ""The bow has more volume than Boat 1", Burling continues. "Every team has broken it down differently. The cockpits are designed more for aerodynamics than coping with water issues", he says.

                      Water coming over the bow has a clear flow down the spillway - the wide channel that lies between the two crew areas. It also serves as a landing zone, or end plate for the mainsail and jib - which now make contact with the hull, below gunnel level. In Te Aihe the foredeck was extended back through the cockpit, forming a centre console - which is now no more.

                      Asked how much Te Aihe has been cannibalised for parts to be fitted onto Boat 2, Bernasconi responds: "a lot of electronics came off Boat 1, and some of the hydraulics - but not a lot."

                      It becomes evident that ETNZ has no intention of sailing Te Aihe against Te Rehutai. "It would take a lot of work to put it back together", says Burling"

                      https://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/233299/Americas-Cup-Rialto-Nov-20-Kiwis-first-sail

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                      • BovidaeB Bovidae

                        Coutts comes across as such a piston wristed gibbon.

                        https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/123910904/americas-cup-copyright-claim-filed-by-coutts-vindictive

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                        @Bovidae said in Americas Cup:

                        Coutts comes across as such a piston wristed gibbon.

                        So he is actually wanting to copyright "lines".
                        Might as well go the whole hogg and do arrows and circles as well.

                        That man is a complete bellend, he was one of the original Americas cup intellectual property thieves to start with.

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                        • SnowyS Snowy

                          @Bovidae said in Americas Cup:

                          Coutts comes across as such a piston wristed gibbon.

                          So he is actually wanting to copyright "lines".
                          Might as well go the whole hogg and do arrows and circles as well.

                          That man is a complete bellend, he was one of the original Americas cup intellectual property thieves to start with.

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                          @Snowy said in Americas Cup:

                          @Bovidae said in Americas Cup:

                          Coutts comes across as such a piston wristed gibbon.

                          So he is actually wanting to copyright "lines".
                          Might as well go the whole hogg and do arrows and circles as well.

                          That man is a complete bellend, he was one of the original Americas cup intellectual property thieves to start with.

                          As the story goes Coutts has been a fluffybunny ever since his junior days

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                            Team UK leads from start to finish to beat USA by 1:20. They looked a completely different boat and crew.

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                            • BovidaeB Bovidae

                              Team UK leads from start to finish to beat USA by 1:20. They looked a completely different boat and crew.

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                              @Bovidae said in Americas Cup:

                              Team UK leads from start to finish to beat USA by 1:20. They looked a completely different boat and crew.

                              game on

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                                Wind conditions were in the mid-range so suited both boats. Let's see how Team UK goes against Luna Rossa now.

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                                  THAT's how you keep your powder dry.

                                  Also, conspiracy theory - there's been a bit of chat around whether UK and TeamNZ have got a bit buddy-buddy, perhaps lining up the Challenger-of-Record ahead of time... maybe also a bit of info/tech sharing? (I don't really believe that, but I might send it off to Alex Jones anyway - he seems like he'd be a yachting fan.)

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                                  • KruseK Kruse

                                    THAT's how you keep your powder dry.

                                    Also, conspiracy theory - there's been a bit of chat around whether UK and TeamNZ have got a bit buddy-buddy, perhaps lining up the Challenger-of-Record ahead of time... maybe also a bit of info/tech sharing? (I don't really believe that, but I might send it off to Alex Jones anyway - he seems like he'd be a yachting fan.)

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                                    Kiwiwomble
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                                    #501

                                    @Kruse don't think they would risk anything, the AC is litigious enough as it is!

                                    Ineos flying in the second now, 22sec at the second

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                                      2 from 2 for Ainslie. He won the start in both races.

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                                        some interesting comments about the foils ainsle was using pre xmas, how they had noticeable rivets and ridges compared to these ones which are perfectly smooth (as you expect), sandbagging pre xmas with deliberately shit foils?

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                                        • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                                          some interesting comments about the foils ainsle was using pre xmas, how they had noticeable rivets and ridges compared to these ones which are perfectly smooth (as you expect), sandbagging pre xmas with deliberately shit foils?

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                                          @Kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:

                                          some interesting comments about the foils ainsle was using pre xmas, how they had noticeable rivets and ridges compared to these ones which are perfectly smooth (as you expect), sandbagging pre xmas with deliberately shit foils?

                                          I don't really see the see the point. It is difficult to improve if you aren't already trying as hard as you can. They may have got their wind strength forecasting a bit off.

                                          Perhaps they thought turbulent boundary layers were the way to go versus lamina flow with the foils. Might have given more stability in higher wind speeds. I'm better on aerodynamics than hydro but that might be a reason. They are dealing with the inviscid flow over the foil (viscosity will be different in water than air of course).

                                          This will help you work it out:
                                          251f6a89-3748-4826-8c91-e5d289dd5b6e-image.png

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