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@mikethesnow said in NH International Rugby:

@catogrande said in NH International Rugby:

@mikethesnow said in NH International Rugby:

@antipodean said in NH International Rugby:

England's injury crisis is a bit disappointing. I wanted to have a full strength England and Ireland to determine where we're at outside of the Rugby Championship.

You can still smash them both though please

Typical Welshman, always trying to get someone else to do the work. :expressionless_face:

Well we won't have the chance to be fair

I wish I shared your certainty.

rotated

@crucial said in NH International Rugby:

Neither of those are the designated 'second side' under WR rules. I think the Junior ABs still are (along with Sevens)

edit: yep, JABs

When was the last time the JABs even played?

Does touch on a bit of (very mild) hypocrisy from the NZRU brass when they give it to SA for picking with quotas when we ditched the JABs for a more restrictive selection...

Really dumb actually.

Crucial

@rotated said in NH International Rugby:

@crucial said in NH International Rugby:

Neither of those are the designated 'second side' under WR rules. I think the Junior ABs still are (along with Sevens)

edit: yep, JABs

When was the last time the JABs even played?

Does touch on a bit of (very mild) hypocrisy from the NZRU brass when they give it to SA for picking with quotas when we ditched the JABs for a more restrictive selection...

Really dumb actually.

Who gives it to SA for picking with quotas?

rotated

@crucial said in NH International Rugby:

Who gives it to SA for picking with quotas?

Uh, Hansen just about every year we play SA.

2015
2016
Comments in 2017 for a book that came out this year.

Henry and Mains have both been outspoken too, but only once outside the tent. Hansen has said it often enough, explicitly enough to where the NZRU either agree, or don't care to reign him in.

Crucial

England name squad for Quilter Internationals

England men’s head coach Eddie Jones has named a 36-man squad to fly to Portugal next week for a training camp to prepare for the first match of the Quilter Internationals against South Africa.

Jones has confirmed that Owen Farrell (Saracens) and Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints) will be co-captains for the four-Test series.

There are eight uncapped players named in the squad including Joe Cokanasiga (Bath Rugby), Nathan Earle (Harlequins), Ted Hill (Worcester Warriors), Zach Mercer (Bath Rugby), Ben Moon (Exeter Chiefs), Michael Rhodes (Saracens), Nick Schonert (Worcester Warriors) and Elliott Stooke (Bath Rugby).

Ben Morgan (Gloucester Rugby) is included for the first time since 2015. The 29-year-old number eight has played 31 Tests for his country with his final appearance coming against Australia during the last Rugby World Cup.

Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby) is selected in the squad for the first time this season while Hill has been named as an apprentice.

“I’m really happy with the squad," said Jones.
"We can only control what we can control and injuries have happened. It gives an opportunity for some good new players to play some important Tests for England while players who have been in the squad before, will have to take on more responsibility."
Jones added: “I have named Dylan and Owen as co-captains for the series. They have both been excellent captains for England in the past and will provide a powerful leadership base for us on and off the field."

A 23-man squad will be confirmed on Tuesday 30 October ahead of the Test against the Springboks on 3 November. England will fly back to London from Portugal following the Test squad announcement on Thursday 1 November.
England men’s squad

Forwards (20)
Tom Curry (Sale Sharks), Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby), Jamie George (Saracens), Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints) co-captain, Alec Hepburn (Exeter Chiefs), Ted Hill (Worcester Warriors) *, Maro Itoje (Saracens), George Kruis (Saracens), Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints), Zach Mercer (Bath Rugby), Ben Moon (Exeter Chiefs), Ben Morgan (Gloucester Rugby), Michael Rhodes (Saracens), Nick Schonert (Worcester Warriors), Brad Shields (Wasps), Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins), Elliott Stooke (Bath Rugby), Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby), Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs), Mark Wilson (Newcastle Falcons)
Backs (16)
Chris Ashton (Sale Sharks), Mike Brown (Harlequins), Danny Care (Harlequins), Joe Cokanasiga (Bath Rugby), Elliot Daly (Wasps), Nathan Earle (Harlequins), Owen Farrell (Saracens) co-captain, George Ford (Leicester Tigers), Alex Lozowski (Saracens), Jonny May (Leicester Tigers), Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs), Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs), Ben Te’o (Worcester Warriors), Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers), Richard Wigglesworth (Saracens), Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers).
*Apprentice

Unavailable for selection
Jack Clifford (Harlequins), Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers), Nathan Hughes (Wasps), Nick Isiekwe (Saracens), Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby), Joe Launchbury (Wasps), Chris Robshaw (Harlequins), Dan Robson (Wasps), Billy Vunipola (Saracens), Mako Vunipola (Saracens), Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby).

Crucial

Nathan Hughes had an initial 4 week ban extended to 6 after tweeting 'What a joke' when leaving the hearing. (Unmitigated 6 weeks reinstated and a 2 week ban for the tweet to be served concurrently)

Crucial

@rotated said in NH International Rugby:

@crucial said in NH International Rugby:

Who gives it to SA for picking with quotas?

Uh, Hansen just about every year we play SA.

2015
2016
Comments in 2017 for a book that came out this year.

Henry and Mains have both been outspoken too, but only once outside the tent. Hansen has said it often enough, explicitly enough to where the NZRU either agree, or don't care to reign him in.

Hmmmm.

I don't agree with your interpretation of Hansen's comments as 'giving it to' SA for their policies. I see them as describing how tough it is for the Boks/Bok coaches (mainly from his insights chatting with his mate Meyer)

I see the comments in the book as describing how under the policies they don't necessarily select the best team they could.

Maybe we are just tripping over the language in the post.

The bit in your comment that I don't understand is why it hypocritical.

Crucial

I have read reports that Eddie is looking at ditching the Ford/Farrell experiment for good and will be looking at a Farrell/Te'o/Tuilagi combo.
If that is the case he is giving up on trying to change England and going back to the direct style they are familiar with. Punching their way up-field until within kicking range or a misaligned defence offers an opportunity to go wide.
Back three of Ashton/May, Brown and Daly?

MiketheSnow

@crucial said in NH International Rugby:

I have read reports that Eddie is looking at ditching the Ford/Farrell experiment for good and will be looking at a Farrell/Te'o/Tuilagi combo.
If that is the case he is giving up on trying to change England and going back to the direct style they are familiar with. Punching their way up-field until within kicking range or a misaligned defence offers an opportunity to go wide.
Back three of Ashton/May, Brown and Daly?

Real shame. England have and will have the backs to execute both a 'truck it up' and expansive game plan.

Crucial

@mikethesnow said in NH International Rugby:

@crucial said in NH International Rugby:

I have read reports that Eddie is looking at ditching the Ford/Farrell experiment for good and will be looking at a Farrell/Te'o/Tuilagi combo.
If that is the case he is giving up on trying to change England and going back to the direct style they are familiar with. Punching their way up-field until within kicking range or a misaligned defence offers an opportunity to go wide.
Back three of Ashton/May, Brown and Daly?

Real shame. England have and will have the backs to execute both a 'truck it up' and expansive game plan.

I think Eddie ahs been heard to comment that he doesn't believe that the expansive game is in the DNA of the players. Not that they don't have the skillsets or desire just that the club footy low risk style doesn't create the instincts required.
He is probably correct in that they need to play the way that comes naturally but do it with the best players at the highest levels of execution.
Of course, we hope that the drawback to this style is that it relies on accumulating points from the boot and battering in the trenches. We keep showing that it is hard to do that for 80 minutes and as long as we stay close we can blow past in the final stanza

MiketheSnow

@crucial said in NH International Rugby:

@mikethesnow said in NH International Rugby:

@crucial said in NH International Rugby:

I have read reports that Eddie is looking at ditching the Ford/Farrell experiment for good and will be looking at a Farrell/Te'o/Tuilagi combo.
If that is the case he is giving up on trying to change England and going back to the direct style they are familiar with. Punching their way up-field until within kicking range or a misaligned defence offers an opportunity to go wide.
Back three of Ashton/May, Brown and Daly?

Real shame. England have and will have the backs to execute both a 'truck it up' and expansive game plan.

I think Eddie ahs been heard to comment that he doesn't believe that the expansive game is in the DNA of the players. Not that they don't have the skillsets or desire just that the club footy low risk style doesn't create the instincts required.
He is probably correct in that they need to play the way that comes naturally but do it with the best players at the highest levels of execution.
Of course, we hope that the drawback to this style is that it relies on accumulating points from the boot and battering in the trenches. We keep showing that it is hard to do that for 80 minutes and as long as we stay close we can blow past in the final stanza

Surely it's his job to recognise and pick the players who can evolve and adapt to his coaching style and aims.

They're there.

Crucial

@mikethesnow said in NH International Rugby:

@crucial said in NH International Rugby:

@mikethesnow said in NH International Rugby:

@crucial said in NH International Rugby:

I have read reports that Eddie is looking at ditching the Ford/Farrell experiment for good and will be looking at a Farrell/Te'o/Tuilagi combo.
If that is the case he is giving up on trying to change England and going back to the direct style they are familiar with. Punching their way up-field until within kicking range or a misaligned defence offers an opportunity to go wide.
Back three of Ashton/May, Brown and Daly?

Real shame. England have and will have the backs to execute both a 'truck it up' and expansive game plan.

I think Eddie ahs been heard to comment that he doesn't believe that the expansive game is in the DNA of the players. Not that they don't have the skillsets or desire just that the club footy low risk style doesn't create the instincts required.
He is probably correct in that they need to play the way that comes naturally but do it with the best players at the highest levels of execution.
Of course, we hope that the drawback to this style is that it relies on accumulating points from the boot and battering in the trenches. We keep showing that it is hard to do that for 80 minutes and as long as we stay close we can blow past in the final stanza

Surely it's his job to recognise and pick the players who can evolve and adapt to his coaching style and aims.

They're there.

TBF I think he has tried. Whether the recent loss rate has made him give up that approach or whether the players aren't up to it is the question.
I do think England (and Eddie) have been rather conservative with selections though and could have given the squads a huge shakeup in search of the game they could aspire to.
I think his point was that it makes it difficult to have the players playing a different style to the one their year round comp expects from them.

sparky

Looking at that England squad, the forwards are a bit mediocre and green, but the backline looks fantastic. Normally it's the other way around with them.

A tough and unusual test coming for the All Blacks against England on 10 November.

Machpants

Our forwards will dominate England, and no matter how good the Red Rose backs are, they'll be unable to stand upto the All Blacks backs with good front foot ball provided on a platter. It's Ireland who are the real threat imo.