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  • TimT Offline
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    Tim
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    When people post stuff about young players not being willing to stick around to try for a Super Rugby contract, there should be an automated bot response that posts the cost of living index for NZ, and the ratio of median house price to median wage.

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      @bones said in Exodus:

      @higgins that seems a pretty sweet gig to me, what's that - 70k SPP? While getting the opportunity to live/travel around Europe and have most other living expenses paid for or propped up.

      My cousin was a reasonably talented player our of MAGs who was around the development system. He left for France for two years and made plenty of bank (for his age), while having an absolute ball in Europe. He knew his chances of really breaking through were slim, so got some cash while he could.

      If I were a young player who wasn't getting a Super contract, I'd try 24 months overseas then see where things stood.

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      @gt12 yeah, when I came over, prem level club players from NZ could typically expect to bank about £300-£500 a week, while being "housed" or given cheap accom and set up with decent work - and that was in what was then London 1, about 5 or so levels below Premiership.

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      • TimT Tim

        When people post stuff about young players not being willing to stick around to try for a Super Rugby contract, there should be an automated bot response that posts the cost of living index for NZ, and the ratio of median house price to median wage.

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        #1466

        @tim said in Exodus:

        When people post stuff about young players not being willing to stick around to try for a Super Rugby contract, there should be an automated bot response that posts the cost of living index for NZ, and the ratio of median house price to median wage.

        It's a mad world where 10 years overseas' as a professional rugby player wouldn't allow you to come back and buy an average house in Auckland debt free with a 50% loan. I guess it would cut down the average of 11 years to save a deposit though.

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        • StargazerS Stargazer

          @canes4life Players have no patience these days. Rather go overseas than work their way up the pecking order and compete for a spot at a SR franchise. It's not mentioned in the media release, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if he had Irish ancestry with that name. That could mean that - if they hope he'll develop into a test player - he doesn't have to wait 5 years.

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          @stargazer said in Exodus:

          @canes4life Players have no patience these days. Rather go overseas than work their way up the pecking order and compete for a spot at a SR franchise. It's not mentioned in the media release, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if he had Irish ancestry with that name. That could mean that - if they hope he'll develop into a test player - he doesn't have to wait 5 years.

          Don’t think we’ll see him again. Even though not currently Irish qualified with a name like that he’ll be adopted by the Irish and if he’s any good go on to play for them.

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          • Billy TellB Billy Tell

            @stargazer said in Exodus:

            @canes4life Players have no patience these days. Rather go overseas than work their way up the pecking order and compete for a spot at a SR franchise. It's not mentioned in the media release, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if he had Irish ancestry with that name. That could mean that - if they hope he'll develop into a test player - he doesn't have to wait 5 years.

            Don’t think we’ll see him again. Even though not currently Irish qualified with a name like that he’ll be adopted by the Irish and if he’s any good go on to play for them.

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            Bones
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            @billy-tell said in Exodus:

            with a name like that

            I really don't think that's a requirement

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            • BonesB Bones

              @billy-tell said in Exodus:

              with a name like that

              I really don't think that's a requirement

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              #1469

              It's a shame there was no room for Shamus in any of the NZ Super squads.

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              • ToddyT Toddy

                It's a shame there was no room for Shamus in any of the NZ Super squads.

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                ARHS
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                @toddy or Tom Florence or Mitch Jacobson.

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                • TimT Tim

                  When people post stuff about young players not being willing to stick around to try for a Super Rugby contract, there should be an automated bot response that posts the cost of living index for NZ, and the ratio of median house price to median wage.

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                  #1471

                  @tim said in Exodus:

                  When people post stuff about young players not being willing to stick around to try for a Super Rugby contract, there should be an automated bot response that posts the cost of living index for NZ, and the ratio of median house price to median wage.

                  It's not helped by the structure of NZ rugby either

                  40% of pro contracts are in the South Island. 20% are in Dunedin. They do not produce that many pro players. So the system forces a movement of talent from north to south

                  More opportunities near the regions that produce the players would allow younger players to stay with family and be picked for a SR Dev side. That still isn't ideal, but asking them to move away from family and get paid fuckall pushes more players overseas

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                  • DuluthD Duluth

                    @tim said in Exodus:

                    When people post stuff about young players not being willing to stick around to try for a Super Rugby contract, there should be an automated bot response that posts the cost of living index for NZ, and the ratio of median house price to median wage.

                    It's not helped by the structure of NZ rugby either

                    40% of pro contracts are in the South Island. 20% are in Dunedin. They do not produce that many pro players. So the system forces a movement of talent from north to south

                    More opportunities near the regions that produce the players would allow younger players to stay with family and be picked for a SR Dev side. That still isn't ideal, but asking them to move away from family and get paid fuckall pushes more players overseas

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                    @duluth said in Exodus:

                    40% of pro contracts are in the South Island. 20% are in Dunedin. They do not produce that many pro players. So the system forces a movement of talent from north to south

                    that's dropped with Moana Pacifica - now only 33%.

                    Edit: 33% SI, 17% Dunedin

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                    • nzzpN nzzp

                      @duluth said in Exodus:

                      40% of pro contracts are in the South Island. 20% are in Dunedin. They do not produce that many pro players. So the system forces a movement of talent from north to south

                      that's dropped with Moana Pacifica - now only 33%.

                      Edit: 33% SI, 17% Dunedin

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                      @nzzp

                      Not quite, because it's mostly for PI qualified players

                      I've always been in favour of a real 6th SR side based in the NI. Moana Pasfika isn't that

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                      • DuluthD Duluth

                        @nzzp

                        Not quite, because it's mostly for PI qualified players

                        I've always been in favour of a real 6th SR side based in the NI. Moana Pasfika isn't that

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                        #1474

                        @duluth said in Exodus:

                        @nzzp

                        Not quite, because it's mostly for PI qualified players

                        I've always been in favour of a real 6th SR side based in the NI. Moana Pasfika isn't that

                        Mostly PI qualified NZers, plus a few extra plain old NZers not PI and other PI qualified Ozzies. It is mostly a kiwi team, and (like Samoa and Tonga national teams) it will stay that way.

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                          https://twitter.com/utwarriorsrugby/status/1507371770994700288

                          Grandson of Sid Going?

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                            https://twitter.com/utwarriorsrugby/status/1507371770994700288

                            Grandson of Sid Going?

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                            @stargazer said in Exodus:

                            https://twitter.com/utwarriorsrugby/status/1507371770994700288

                            Grandson of Sid Going?

                            Being a Going he'll fit right in Utah.

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                            • boobooB booboo

                              @stargazer said in Exodus:

                              https://twitter.com/utwarriorsrugby/status/1507371770994700288

                              Grandson of Sid Going?

                              Being a Going he'll fit right in Utah.

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                              Stargazer
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                              @booboo Especially with that first name!

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                              • StargazerS Stargazer

                                https://twitter.com/utwarriorsrugby/status/1507371770994700288

                                Grandson of Sid Going?

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                                @stargazer not sure if he is grandson, but def of his lineage, @Steven-Harris may know.

                                He played for the Northland dev side last year

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                                • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                                  @stargazer not sure if he is grandson, but def of his lineage, @Steven-Harris may know.

                                  He played for the Northland dev side last year

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                                  #1479

                                  @taniwharugby yes this is correct Zion informed Northland a couple of weeks ago that he had picked up a contract In the MLR .really wrapt for the young man it will be great for his own personal development.

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                                    https://www.rugbypass.com/news/leinster-set-to-sign-former-all-blacks-centre-charlie-ngatai/

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                                    • TimT Tim

                                      https://www.rugbypass.com/news/leinster-set-to-sign-former-all-blacks-centre-charlie-ngatai/

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                                      @tim said in Exodus:

                                      https://www.rugbypass.com/news/leinster-set-to-sign-former-all-blacks-centre-charlie-ngatai/

                                      Aha. Charlie Ngatai.

                                      Got a couple of positive mentions on here and a few posters, probably Cantabs, got upset he was beimg bigged up too much.

                                      Shame he went OS. Could have been useful.

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                                        jauzy019
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                                        Liam Coltman will join french club Lyon OU in july.

                                        https://rmcsport.bfmtv.com/rugby/top-14/lyon-le-neo-zelandais-liam-coltman-en-approche_AN-202203310372.html

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                                        • J jauzy019

                                          Liam Coltman will join french club Lyon OU in july.

                                          https://rmcsport.bfmtv.com/rugby/top-14/lyon-le-neo-zelandais-liam-coltman-en-approche_AN-202203310372.html

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                                          @jauzy019 said in Exodus:

                                          Liam Coltman will join french club Lyon OU in july.

                                          https://rmcsport.bfmtv.com/rugby/top-14/lyon-le-neo-zelandais-liam-coltman-en-approche_AN-202203310372.html

                                          Sad because he adds to our depth, but pleased he can cash in.

                                          BTW weren't you banned @jauzy19 for being the bearer of bad tidings?

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